"The Predator" by Shane Black (2018)

[xipotec]

As on-edge as this business regarding the ending has me (not that I've read anything specific about it), I will say: none of the other Predator films, not even the first, has an overall favorable score on Metacritic or Rotten Tomatoes. Certainly not when looking at professional reviews. The 1987 original hovers around 40-something percent. Predator 2, 28 percent. Predators, 40-something.

To a post Biojex made about a while ago, it's not that people are slamming the old films and propping up the new one (or vice-versa). They're simply tempering their expectations by realizing this franchise has never been more than pulpy, B-grade fun. When that's the case, you really have to see it for yourself. If you're into the genre, you'll find some enjoyment. Provided it's not idiotic or illogical like Covenant and Prometheus were in several spots (which is even more of a blemish for that franchise), I certainly will.

As hard as it may be to read, I'll stress again that the original Predator is not like Alien in that it was executed so incredibly well that it became an A-movie. While it may be well-done for what it is -- the most common type of praise -- it's not a cinematic masterpiece in the eyes of anyone but the ultra-nostalgic.

If this new entry craps all over the existing lore or takes too great of a liberty, that's one thing. It's a worthy gripe and I'll gladly join in the chorus. But to go in prepared to hate a new Predator film simply because critics reviews are mixed -- historically quite generous for this franchise -- suggests I haven't been around for the previous ones.

Regarding the subtitles: maybe there's a need for them? I doubt it, but can't know for sure. My only issue at this point is the font once they're translated. Times. F___ing. New. Roman. Even a simple sans serif would've done the job, this just looks cheap. John Wick's subtitles were graphic and gimmicky as hell, but they still looked professional. Who the hell uses serifs on anything these days? Even period pieces rarely have them.

I mean the Predator did talk in each film....

So what the big deal on subtitles?
Lost?

I mean if he waxes on and on about philosophy then maybe a bit off


Sent from the inside of a giant slug in outer space.....

 

[jye4ever]

As on-edge as this business regarding the ending has me (not that I've read anything specific about it), I will say: none of the other Predator films, not even the first, has an overall favorable score on Metacritic or Rotten Tomatoes. Certainly not when looking at professional reviews. The 1987 original hovers around 40-something percent. Predator 2, 28 percent. Predators, 40-something.

To a post Biojex made about a while ago, it's not that people are slamming the old films and propping up the new one (or vice-versa). They're simply tempering their expectations by realizing this franchise has never been more than pulpy, B-grade fun. When that's the case, you really have to see it for yourself. If you're into the genre, you'll find some enjoyment. Provided it's not idiotic or illogical like Covenant and Prometheus were in several spots (which is even more of a blemish for that franchise), I certainly will.

As hard as it may be to read, I'll stress again that the original Predator is not like Alien in that it was executed so incredibly well that it became an A-movie. While it may be well-done for what it is -- the most common type of praise -- it's not a cinematic masterpiece in the eyes of anyone but the ultra-nostalgic.

If this new entry craps all over the existing lore or takes too great of a liberty, that's one thing. It's a worthy gripe and I'll gladly join in the chorus. But to go in prepared to hate a new Predator film simply because critics reviews are mixed -- historically quite generous for this franchise -- suggests I haven't been around for the previous ones.

Regarding the subtitles: maybe there's a need for them? I doubt it, but can't know for sure. My only issue at this point is the font once they're translated. Times. F___ing. New. Roman. Even a simple sans serif would've done the job, this just looks cheap. John Wick's subtitles were graphic and gimmicky as hell, but they still looked professional. Who the hell uses serifs on anything these days? Even period pieces rarely have them.

All due respect but that is just rubbish lol

C’mon now just like the Aliens Queen that creature is a thing of beauty so much so that it holds up extremely well under daylight in full freaking view it simply had no business looking that good in the decade it was made Stan and Kevin pulled off a cinematic miracle.

And it looked that good in motion no less!

The Predator creature is considered a cinematic masterpiece that simple.

I’m ratting you out to Bio.

 

[Chakor]

As hard as it may be to read, I'll stress again that the original Predator is not like Alien in that it was executed so incredibly well that it became an A-movie. While it may be well-done for what it is -- the most common type of praise -- it's not a cinematic masterpiece in the eyes of anyone but the ultra-nostalgic.

 

[Caped Baldy]

As on-edge as this business regarding the ending has me (not that I've read anything specific about it), I will say: none of the other Predator films, not even the first, has an overall favorable score on Metacritic or Rotten Tomatoes. Certainly not when looking at professional reviews. The 1987 original hovers around 40-something percent. Predator 2, 28 percent. Predators, 40-something.

To be fair, John Carpenter's The Thing has 57% on mehta critic. There is no way in hell a film like that is deserving of such a low score.

 

[Rotfish]

All due respect but that is just rubbish lol

C’mon now just like the Aliens Queen that creature is a thing of beauty so much so that it holds up extremely well under daylight in full freaking view it simply had no business looking that good in the decade it was made Stan and Kevin pulled off a cinematic miracle.

And it looked that good in motion no less!

The Predator creature is considered a cinematic masterpiece that simple.

I’m ratting you out to Bio.

Talking about the film, not the creature.

To be fair, John Carpenter's The Thing has 57% on mehta critic. There is no way in hell a film like that is deserving of such a low score.

Proves my point, though. Why put so much stock in reviews if they're either wrong or were never relevant to franchise fans in the first place?

 

[The Buffinator]

To be fair, John Carpenter's The Thing has 57% on mehta critic. There is no way in hell a film like that is deserving of such a low score.

To be fair, John Carpenter's The Thing was an 80s remake of a 50s Sci-Fi classic, so it lost points due to its lack of originality. It did put a new twist on the alien creature, but IMO that just resulted in it being grosser/gorier than was necessary. Of course that was all the rage at the time.

 

[Heavy Metal Spike]

To be fair, John Carpenter's The Thing was an 80s remake of a 50s Sci-Fi classic, so it lost points due to its lack of originality. It did put a new twist on the alien creature, but IMO that just resulted in it being grosser/gorier than was necessary. Of course that was all the rage at the time.

There's SOOOOOO much wrong with that post . . .

4 days to go


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[jye4ever]

Talking about the film, not the creature.

Creature or movie my point remains the same it’s a AAA movie masquerading as a B movie.

So there lol

To be fair, John Carpenter's The Thing was an 80s remake of a 50s Sci-Fi classic, so it lost points due to its lack of originality. It did put a new twist on the alien creature, but IMO that just resulted in it being grosser/gorier than was necessary. Of course that was all the rage at the time.

That is a BIG NO!

Thing 82 is absolutely NOT a remake of the the 50’s version it just shares the same name.

82 is the novel “Who Goes There” come to life.

The 50’s version was very far removed from the book.

82 did not put a new twist on the monster it simply copied it from the book it was the 50’s version that put a new twist in the monster by making him a humanoid vegetable a vegan monster lol.

Regarding gore being the rage the general audience actually rejected the gore at the time and instead fully embraced ET the cute alien.

Cinema history is my specialty chancellor.

Thanks for hearing me out lol

 

[jye4ever]

Complete embarrassing disaster taking place with Predator press junket in Canada over this Munn, Shane situation with Fox HR now coming down with a hammer.

Shane and entire cast refuse to be around her for the junket.

Complete and utter marketing disaster that Shane has caused Fox his career might be over if this movie is DOA.

 

[The Buffinator]

Creature or movie my point remains the same it’s a AAA movie masquerading as a B movie.

So there lol



That is a BIG NO!

Thing 82 is absolutely NOT a remake of the the 50’s version it just shares the same name.

82 is the novel “Who Goes There” come to life.

The 50’s version was very far removed from the book.

82 did not put a new twist on the monster it simply copied it from the book it was the 50’s version that put a new twist in the monster by making him a humanoid vegetable a vegan monster lol.

Regarding gore being the rage the general audience rejected the gore and embraced ET the cute alien.

Cinema history is my specialty chancellor.

Thanks for hearing me out lol

I'm not familiar with the book so I will defer to you on which adaptation is more faithful - I just recall most people/critics treated it as a remake of the first film with an updated take on the creature. Given that, deservedly or not it probably lost points for a lack of originality. And Carpenter's film was more horror than Sci-Fi, so throwing ET into the mix seems a bit much. Might as well mention Tootsie or Terms of Endearment!

 

[xipotec]

I do not think of The Thing as a horror film. Its Sci-Fi.....alien masquerading as humans to infiltrate the camp.

The “gore” was not really gore in the sense it was a transformation , not blood and guts. There are only a few scenes of actual blood and guts....the rest was alien goo and innards. To me thats not gore.



Sent from the inside of a giant slug in outer space.....

 

[jye4ever]

Nah it was a Fangoria sweetheart at the time it was definately considered “gory” but I also get what you’re saying.

 

[Caped Baldy]

Complete embarrassing disaster taking place with Predator press junket in Canada over this Munn, Shane situation with Fox HR now coming down with a hammer.

Shane and entire cast refuse to be around her for the junket.

Complete and utter marketing disaster that Shane has caused Fox his career might be over if this movie is DOA.

She said she didn't accept Shane's apology and her silence isn't for sale.



So just how much will this controversey affect the box office? Is it dead on arrival?

 

[BeefEaster]

Did she have some kinda horrific injury where she had to have facial reconstructive surgery?

I find it hard to believe she did that to herself.

 

[jye4ever]

Dave Bautista should now stick up for Shane Black

 

[Biojex]

As on-edge as this business regarding the ending has me (not that I've read anything specific about it), I will say: none of the other Predator films, not even the first, has an overall favorable score on Metacritic or Rotten Tomatoes. Certainly not when looking at professional reviews. The 1987 original hovers around 40-something percent. Predator 2, 28 percent. Predators, 40-something.

To a post Biojex made about a while ago, it's not that people are slamming the old films and propping up the new one (or vice-versa). They're simply tempering their expectations by realizing this franchise has never been more than pulpy, B-grade fun. When that's the case, you really have to see it for yourself. If you're into the genre, you'll find some enjoyment. Provided it's not idiotic or illogical like Covenant and Prometheus were in several spots (which is even more of a blemish for that franchise), I certainly will.

As hard as it may be to read, I'll stress again that the original Predator is not like Alien in that it was executed so incredibly well that it became an A-movie. While it may be well-done for what it is -- the most common type of praise -- it's not a cinematic masterpiece in the eyes of anyone but the ultra-nostalgic.

If this new entry craps all over the existing lore or takes too great of a liberty, that's one thing. It's a worthy gripe and I'll gladly join in the chorus. But to go in prepared to hate a new Predator film simply because critics reviews are mixed -- historically quite generous for this franchise -- suggests I haven't been around for the previous ones.

I wish we could have a conversation without the dismissive "nostalgia glasses" aspect...

I'm not so inept that I can't recognize the difference between nostalgia and genuine quality, or the difference between liking something and recognizing it's quality (This does not apply to masterpieces such as Cannibal Campout). Example: I love the Resident Evil movies but I know they are hot ****ing garbage. I'm not in the group of thinking that says " I don't understand why people love this so much" I can pretty easily recognize why things appeal to what people. I've watched movies I loved as a kid but now hate/dislike as an adult. I know what the frame of reference looks like. I don't like the "nostalgia glasses" argument because it's baseless. You're assuming intelligence and awareness are less than what it actually is (JYE is way smarter than he looks )...it's an empty aspect that doesn't really add anything to the discussion.

anyway

There's things I like in the trailer and things I don't. As a whole, this movie doesn't look good to me from what they've shown...And I don't just mean in regards to the original Predator...I mean in general. I'm not "prepared to hate the movie" but I'm old enough to estimate where a movie is going and can prep my disappointment meal ahead of time. However, I might end up saying **** it and get some fast food. I know it's garbage....but it's delicious!.....Even considering the BM later...

If that spoiler is true...oh boy. My only hope is it works in the context of the film.

For the subtitles I haven't watched the clip and I won't. I'll wait to see it within the film...I've always wanted more communicative scenes with Preds...but not subtitles. I always imagine them using some form of sign language or gesturing. Exposition from predators sounds very funny

 

[jye4ever]

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[Biojex]

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I want....NO, I NEED some Bio in me for I know that will make me a better geek.

 

[jye4ever]

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