The Walking Dead - TV Series on AMC ( Comic and Un-aired Spoilers unwelcome!)

[Mister Ski]

Good to know a few others cared about her, I'm already missing her.

I think I disliked this death not only because I like Beth, but because I think it was out of place, it kind of felt like they thought she was disposable and they had to kill someone for the mid-season finale.

It felt dumb and cheap its worst considering she disappeared for pretty much an entire season and came back tougher than before just to get killed... so much potential wasted. They should have killed Maggie, let her become a walker or something.

Now the only ones I care about are Carol, Daryl and Rick

Isn't that what death is all about? Sounds like the writers and actress did a pretty good job in developing her character for you to feel so strongly about a fictional character.

 

[Henry Morgan*]

Isn't that what death is all about? Sounds like the writers did a pretty good job in developing her character for you to feel so strongly about a fictional character.

They did a good job giving her potential and killing her just when she was becoming a more intresting character.

 

[Mister Ski]

Death doesn't discriminate whether someone is interesting or has potential, so why should the writers?

 

[Henry Morgan*]

They are taking the risks killing characters off, now we will never know what could have happened to the show if Beth lived

I think they should care because killing someone like the preacher or killing someone like Rick is no the same thing, I think in a TV show it always matters who dies, how and when its important too imho

 

[OSCORP]

Preacher man is getting annoying.

Good episode.

 

[yruh8n]

From the perspective of liking Beth as a character her death does seem a little forced. The part of this arc that seemed the most poorly written was the whole thing of Carol getting hit and being taken to the hospital. That didn't serve anything at all other than acting as a swerve and knocking Carol back a step or two for being careless enough to get run over. One minute she is still out and kind of started waking up, the next she is wide awake and walks out of the hospital, mostly on her own power. Instead of the scene at the elevator they should have given Carol and Beth a scene where Carol updates Beth on what has happened. All Beth knew about the prison was that her and Daryl got out. Carol had been banished. She didn't know if the rest including her sister, were alive or dead. Beth's death did add another layer to Rick. He stepped toward Daryl as he was shooting Dawn to try and stop him. Rick asking anyone from the hospital who wanted to come with them showed he isn't as bat$#!+ crazy as he may appear. He handled this situation far differently than Gareth and the Termites. He wont hesitate to kill to protect his group, and is willing to be the one who sacrifices a bit of his own humanity to protect the humanity in others of his extended family.

 

[Henry Morgan*]

From the perspective of liking Beth as a character her death does seem a little forced. The part of this arc that seemed the most poorly written was the whole thing of Carol getting hit and being taken to the hospital. That didn't serve anything at all other than acting as a swerve and knocking Carol back a step or two for being careless enough to get run over. One minute she is still out and kind of started waking up, the next she is wide awake and walks out of the hospital, mostly on her own power. Instead of the scene at the elevator they should have given Carol and Beth a scene where Carol updates Beth on what has happened. All Beth knew about the prison was that her and Daryl got out. Carol had been banished. She didn't know if the rest including her sister, were alive or dead. Beth's death did add another layer to Rick. He stepped toward Daryl as he was shooting Dawn to try and stop him. Rick asking anyone from the hospital who wanted to come with them showed he isn't as bat$#!+ crazy as he may appear. He handled this situation far differently than Gareth and the Termites. He wont hesitate to kill to protect his group, and is willing to be the one who sacrifices a bit of his own humanity to protect the humanity in others of his extended family.

The whole elevator scene was totally pointless, all the characters involved died why they wasted time with that I'll never know.

 

[a-dev]

Once again I have failed to avoid this thread on a monday. Episode spoiled

 

[Mister Ski]

From the perspective of liking Beth as a character her death does seem a little forced. The part of this arc that seemed the most poorly written was the whole thing of Carol getting hit and being taken to the hospital. That didn't serve anything at all other than acting as a swerve and knocking Carol back a step or two for being careless enough to get run over. One minute she is still out and kind of started waking up, the next she is wide awake and walks out of the hospital, mostly on her own power. Instead of the scene at the elevator they should have given Carol and Beth a scene where Carol updates Beth on what has happened. All Beth knew about the prison was that her and Daryl got out. Carol had been banished. She didn't know if the rest including her sister, were alive or dead. Beth's death did add another layer to Rick. He stepped toward Daryl as he was shooting Dawn to try and stop him. Rick asking anyone from the hospital who wanted to come with them showed he isn't as bat$#!+ crazy as he may appear. He handled this situation far differently than Gareth and the Termites. He wont hesitate to kill to protect his group, and is willing to be the one who sacrifices a bit of his own humanity to protect the humanity in others of his extended family.

A lot of people here anointed Carol as some type of superhero bad@ss after Terminus. I loved what she did at Terminus, but I don't think she was some infallible character who could take control of things around her and kick@ss all the time. She is human. She makes mistakes and will continue to make mistakes and that is what will help her character to continue to grow going forward. She is living in a world that no one can control. All she is trying to do (like most everyone else) is survive. Carol and Daryl got confirmation from Noah that Beth was alive at the hospital. Carol's accident and subsequent kidnapping, forced Daryl to go back and get reinforcements (Rick, Sasha and Tyreese) rather than Daryl and Carol going into the hospital on their own. That is the purpose I see her accident and kidnapping set up.

In hindsight, the elevator scene could be considered unnecessary. However, it did shed further insight into both Beth and Dawn's characters. It was Beth's first deliberate killing of another human being. (She had killed that other patient who was a doctor, but she was tricked into doing it by the doctor). We learned that Dawn is a hard@ss and has to be a ****** to earn the respect of her fellow officers. She was the one who killed the former leader when no one else was able to do it. She was the one who made and followed through on the hard decisions. I don't think of her as a villain. I think she demanded Noah back to save face with her group. She couldn't just give Rick's group everything they demanded without making a demand of her own. It would make her look weak. I think her killing Beth was accidental - most likely a reflex reaction from being stabbed.

 

[Mister Ski]

I get the feeling that the show wishes to recapture the emotions and shock factor of Sophia walking out the barn with episodes like this one but it just isn't happening.

Since Season 3, it has very quickly become a slow, meandering and overall, boring experience.

This review seems to get that the hospital in this season has been one long, drawn out hollow nothing:

Review: The Walking Dead:

Some perspective: These eight episodes take place over the span of 4-5 days in WD time. There were only 3 (4 if you count the Daryl/Carol episode) episodes that were hospital focused. Hardly qualifies as long or drawn out to me.

 

[Pennyworth]

Decent episode - it lacked some emotional punch for whatever reason...I guess I never much cared for Beth and it seemed fairly certain someone would die so nothing shocking. I love how coldly Rick handled running over that cop

The bit with Morgan at the end was compelling as I'm anxious to see him reunite with Rick....saw a comparison of the time period between Gabriel (left) and Morgan on reddit that suggests Morgan is a bit behind the group timewise:

 

[Fritz]

Me too. She was a good thing in a world that doesn't have that any more. She was sweet, she had a strong sense of justice, and she had toughened up.

Wicked sad.

Yes! I'm not alone ...

That makes at least three of us. The Talking Dead was sad, it had to be kinda awkward for Kirkman.

 

[Darth Snoopy]

Good to know a few others cared about her, I'm already missing her.

I think I disliked this death not only because I like Beth, but because I think it was out of place, it kind of felt like they thought she was disposable and they had to kill someone for the mid-season finale.

It felt dumb and cheap its worst considering she disappeared for pretty much an entire season and came back tougher than before just to get killed in the dumbest way possible... so much potential wasted. They should have killed Maggie, let her become a walker or something.

Now the only ones I care about are Carol, Daryl and Rick

I have to agree with this. I agree with yruh8n that her death seemed forced. It's done now, I'll miss her. Rest in Peace, Beth.

That makes at least three of us. The Talking Dead was sad, it had to be kinda awkward for Kirkman.

Make that four and yes, Talking Dead was sad yet funny.

 

[Michael Crawford]

The last couple episodes has had some really forced plotting, requiring a greater suspension of disbelief than usual. For me, it started with Carol being too deaf and blind to see a car coming (although we see hear Rick coming up on Bob #2 from a block away), but it continued with her story line once she's in the hospital. Clearly the writers didn't know what to do with her for a couple episodes. Knock her out, don't let her wake up til the last possible minute, and then have her walking out of the hospital all of a sudden, no longer on death's door. You can make up whatever rationalization you want for her to be in the hospital that you want, but the simple truth is the writers wanted her there so when the rumors started on someone dying in the mid-season finale, they had more than just Beth in direct danger.

Then Bob #2 bolts, which makes no sense. His hands are tied, and he chooses to face the walkers rather than attempt the trade. What possible plan could he have? Somehow manage to get back to the hospital and warn them? Then what? For someone written as though he has sense, it seemed about as foolish as you could get, not much different than Abraham's wife taking off with the kids.

And then there's the minister. Why did he leave, exactly? He's terrified of leaving the church, yet now he takes off because he 'has to see'? He pries up floorboards in a small room in a small church and Michonne and Carl can't hear it? Everybody on this show seems to be freaking deaf.

I don't know about you, but I'd also like a bit more understanding on Abraham. He's just cool with it all now? We spend an entire episode with him on his knees over Eugene's lie, but get no resolution as to why he's now on board with it all again. Hopefully they'll give us something when the get back to it in February.

Don't get me wrong - I was entertained. I'm enjoying this season. But a lot of the writing has been forced over the last couple episodes, and it seems somewhat out of place.

 

[nexus]

I literally walked into the room to rewind the DVR when Beth was being shot and spoiled the episode for myself right from the get-go. So the whole time I was watching I knew the scene was coming about 45 minutes in. It's really too bad and kinda surprising they killed her off IMO. While I know she was a bit like wallpaper, it's a young and innocent character that could continue to be developed over the next couple of seasons. So I'm sorry to see the character go. Also the direction of the shooting itself was really pretty clumsily handled. It looked forced and not well choreographed. The reactions from Rick, Daryl and Maggie were well acted, but the whole sequence lacked emotional punch, and felt more like your basic "we've gotta kill someone off" plotline. That said, I think there are other characters who could/should have gotten killed off. Had I not know what was coming I would have figured on Sasha, especially after her and Tyrese's exchange on the roof. It would have been the emotional punch in the nads he needs to harden the hell up, and there doesn't seem to be that much more that can be done with her character unless she has a major role in the comics. I'm also not feeling the need to keep Tara around, and would have preferred to see her go over Beth. But I guess taking Beth out sets Maggie up for more of an emotional arc for the remainder of this season and next. In addition to being the show hottie, Maggie is a good character to continue developing into a badass survivalist especially if they get rid of Glenn. She, Rick, Daryl and Michonne are probably my favorites right now. Anybody else can get their ticket punched IMO. Carl is a necessity and I really like how the young actor is playing him because casting a 9- or 10-year-old kid that has to grow and develop over several seasons is a crapshoot and you get the feeling he's going to be called on to do more and more in the next year or two.

I have to say Grady Hospital looked like a better place to hunker down for a while compared to the prison. The place was clean, on at least minimum power, and they seemed to have a decent survival system in place. But after what went down I could see why "the group" would want to move on and avoid a leadership power struggle with baldie who you know is going to be the next dictator. But it doesn't look like they got any volunteers to follow other than the Everybody Hates Chris guy.

Gabriel can't be gone soon enough. Good grief.

Now Beth heads up to "Walking Dead Heaven" to join Shane, Dale, Andrea, Hershel, Merle, T-Dog, Lori, Sophia, Bob and the others who weren't around that long or developed enough to merit any type of emotional attachment. As well as the thousands of walkers who continue to be fodder for creative re-death scenes.


edit: I just looked up the actress that played Beth. She's 29!

 

[Jokes & Bats]

Some perspective: These eight episodes take place over the span of 4-5 days in WD time. There were only 3 (4 if you count the Daryl/Carol episode) episodes that were hospital focused. Hardly qualifies as long or drawn out to me.

4 episodes is about a month's worth of TV. That's pretty drawn out. If you consider how much the show achieved in Season 1 in comparison to 4 and 5.

I don't know - the spark has really done out.

 

[Michael Crawford]

And that reminds me - what the hell was up with the shooting of Beth? When did Dawn draw her gun? And how did she manage to shoot her in the forehead when they were about 3 inches apart? Can you tell I thought the whole thing was really forced?

 

[Deckard]

The last couple episodes has had some really forced plotting, requiring a greater suspension of disbelief than usual. For me, it started with Carol being too deaf and blind to see a car coming (although we see hear Rick coming up on Bob #2 from a block away), but it continued with her story line once she's in the hospital. Clearly the writers didn't know what to do with her for a couple episodes. Knock her out, don't let her wake up til the last possible minute, and then have her walking out of the hospital all of a sudden, no longer on death's door. You can make up whatever rationalization you want for her to be in the hospital that you want, but the simple truth is the writers wanted her there so when the rumors started on someone dying in the mid-season finale, they had more than just Beth in direct danger.

Then Bob #2 bolts, which makes no sense. His hands are tied, and he chooses to face the walkers rather than attempt the trade. What possible plan could he have? Somehow manage to get back to the hospital and warn them? Then what? For someone written as though he has sense, it seemed about as foolish as you could get, not much different than Abraham's wife taking off with the kids.

And then there's the minister. Why did he leave, exactly? He's terrified of leaving the church, yet now he takes off because he 'has to see'? He pries up floorboards in a small room in a small church and Michonne and Carl can't hear it? Everybody on this show seems to be freaking deaf.

I don't know about you, but I'd also like a bit more understanding on Abraham. He's just cool with it all now? We spend an entire episode with him on his knees over Eugene's lie, but get no resolution as to why he's now on board with it all again. Hopefully they'll give us something when the get back to it in February.

Don't get me wrong - I was entertained. I'm enjoying this season. But a lot of the writing has been forced over the last couple episodes, and it seems somewhat out of place.

Really forced. Carol was just all the sudden awake and up and fine. Doc went from guessing she had internal injuries to her just being completely ok because the plot device called for her to need to leave with everyone else.

The show was most interesting when it felt like anyone could go at any moment. It's what keeps Game of Thrones so tense even in the more boring scenes. That simply doesn't exist anymore. We saw Beth's death coming a mile away.

And don't forget the awkward goofiness of Maggie's reaction after a complete lack of caring the entire season. She already assumed she was dead and was totally fine. Now she knows shes dead and she's going to spend the season alone and going crazy?

 

[Deckard]

The whole thing was like Andrea's death part 2. At least that had the Governor hamming up the scenery. Dawn by comparison isn't likable or enjoyable at all.

 

[Darth Snoopy]

Gabriel can't be gone soon enough. Good grief.

QFT.