Those who disliked TLJ, are you still buying toys from it?

[ebor]

And here I thought this thread was about purchasing figures from TLJ not a debate (yet another thread) about the merits of the movie.

To answer the OP about the question posed;

Yes I will be buying the Kylo Ren and Luke figures from the TLJ.

 

[Wor-Gar]

And here I thought this thread was about purchasing figures from TLJ not a debate (yet another thread) about the merits of the movie.

The merits of the movie will tell you whether to buy or not.

Such a poor film requires justification for why in hell someone would purchase anything from this movie (subjective opinion).

 

[ebor]

Correct Wor-Gar. For me, the merits of this movie justify my purchasing figures/products from this movie. I enjoyed the movie. Your opinion of the movie, or others who share your opinion, does not dissuade me one iota.

 

[Wor-Gar]

If HT ever makes Phasma with the spear available for preorder, I think that would be worth picking up for fans of the film because I think they will make few of her and I think in 20 years that figure might be highly sought after for the next generation. I think Disney will continue to expand her presence in books and cartoons much like Boba Fett.

 

[LoveMinusZero]

I honestly wouldn't be shocked if she returned in the next one. Just to be dispatched again quickly with barley a fight.

 

[screamingmetal]

And here I thought this thread was about purchasing figures from TLJ not a debate (yet another thread) about the merits of the movie.

To answer the OP about the question posed;

Yes I will be buying the Kylo Ren and Luke figures from the TLJ.

Okay so that means you disliked the film then.

 

[Wor-Gar]

I honestly wouldn't be shocked if she returned in the next one. Just to be dispatched again quickly with barley a fight.

With a burned eye and Thor's eyepatch. Maybe a silver hammer this time too.

 

[ebor]

Okay so that means you disliked the film then.

You can search for my posts in the 'movie thread' for what I think about the movie...

 

[SilverStar17]

You're deliberately missing the point for the sake of argument. Whether they did something or not and how you feel about it is inconsequential to this debate; that's subjective. The objective portion is the way that action occurs within that particular media's framework for storytelling language.

I know you already understand this.

Well let me ask you this: what's the correct way to make a film then?

 

[Wor-Gar]

Well let me ask you this: what's the correct way to make a film then?

Cute.

 

[SilverStar17]

Serious question. What's the correct way to structure a film? And as dictated by what or whom?

 

[screamingmetal]

You can search for my posts in the 'movie thread' for what I think about the movie...

You'll have to give me a few weeks then, I'm behind on the latest posts.

 

[Wor-Gar]

Serious question. What's the correct way to structure a film? And as dictated by what or whom?

I had a nice time discussing this topic with you. Seems we've come as far as we can.

 

[LoveMinusZero]

Cute.

So Porgs were the right move then.

 

[SilverStar17]

I had a nice time discussing this topic with you. Seems we've come as far as we can.

Apparently.

 

[Wor-Gar]

Apparently.

There are lengthy university classes and scores of books on the subject, do you really expect me to condense all that in an easily digestible paragraph for you? Just so you can be the contrarian and pose a nihilistic example of how everything is subjective so there is no truth? That is the ultimate conclusion of your presumption, yes? That there is no right or wrong, simply opinion.

 

[SilverStar17]

There are lengthy university classes and scores of books on the subject, do you really expect me to condense all that in an easily digestible paragraph for you? Just so you can be the contrarian and pose a nihilistic example of how everything is subjective so there is no truth? That is the ultimate conclusion of your presumption, yes? That there is no right or wrong, simply opinion.

I thought you dismissed academia earlier as having the propensity to present false arguments that if valid enough and repeated enough over time, it becomes truth? So why cite academia now as the authority of truth on the subject?

And not everything. Many things are indeed objective. Films aren't one of them.

 

[Jaymas]

And here I thought this thread was about purchasing figures from TLJ not a debate (yet another thread) about the merits of the movie.

The merits of the movie will tell you whether to buy or not.

Such a poor film requires justification for why in hell someone would purchase anything from this movie (subjective opinion).

Right. I am not sure why it baffles some people here that some collectors really have to like a movie before they shell out big bucks to have memorabilia from that movie? This is why I passed on collecting figures, even though they looked cool, from the DCEU films except for Wonder Woman (I liked that movie so I got a WW figure). Star Wars might be harder for some collectors if they like the franchise over all, and the characters, but not a particular movie as much. It's completely normal for the merits of and opinions about a movie to play a part in the deciding to collect 1/6 figures from that movie. Not all collectors might think this way but its a reasonable thing for those that do.

 

[Wor-Gar]

I thought you stated earlier academia has the propensity to present false arguments that if repeated enough over time, it becomes truth? So why refer to academia now as the authority on the subject?

Your presumption above was not my intent -- my response to your comment was meant that academia and lawyers mull over and debate "the truth" and can present convincing arguments one way or the other. It's their job. Separately, as an idea, if enough people agree to a lie over time then I suppose it can become the truth. That was my comment about the winners writing history. Imagine all the misinformation we have been given over the generations. The past is likely nothing the way we understand it. But that's another subject.

Let's get back to the point of this:

If a volcano erupts and I convince you that it did not, does that mean the volcano did not erupt?

There is some base truth in things. Even if its an agreed truth at a given moment in time that we all accept. This truth gives us structure. That structure shapes rules. We all follow rules so we can understand each other. You are writing in a way that I can understand -- is this because you want to? No -- it is because you must if you want to communicate. You follow a structure. As should storytelling.

 

[SilverStar17]

Of course not, because it's a fact it actually happened. What one feels is the right and wrong way to structure a film though, isn't fact.

By the way, I'm not doing this for the sake of argument at all, this is a genuine discussion to me. I personally just can't fathom how films aren't subjective, even the structure of them and what is the right and wrong way to do it and who or what is the authority on that. Sure there's books, but that doesn't mean what the author wrote is invariably correct.