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[ali032373]

Re: ThreeZero Toys: 1:6 AMC's The Walking Dead

Andrea was mishandled. No doubt. Which made it worse when she died because she was starting to turn major bad ass- ie her surviving like she did after she got left at the farm. And when she stepped up to start killing barn walkers when Shane opened the door. She had her moments.

 

[thenammagazine]

Re: ThreeZero Toys: 1:6 AMC's The Walking Dead

Andrea was mishandled. No doubt. Which made it worse when she died because she was starting to turn major bad ass- ie her surviving like she did after she got left at the farm. And when she stepped up to start killing barn walkers when Shane opened the door. She had her moments.

Everything good about the character ended when Shane died. They took a strong, independent woman and turned her into a naive, cockwhipped idiot who couldn't see the forest for the trees. A travesty considering how absolutely awesome she was in the books.

 

[WhoaItsJBot]

Re: ThreeZero Toys: 1:6 AMC's The Walking Dead

I think that most people are right: AMC is probably stalling ThreeZero in some way. I just wish they would make a statement saying so and maybe even an ETA. I am fine with patiently waiting for the figures, but this lack of ANY information is bordering on annoying.

They should completely stop showing unpainted prototypes and figure parts. No matter what else is going on with their end, when they tease stuff and can't deliver it's on them.

Hot Toys very rarely shows behind the scene stuff, they wait to show the full prototype. They may take a while but at least you know it WILL be released.

 

[thenammagazine]

Re: ThreeZero Toys: 1:6 AMC's The Walking Dead

They should completely stop showing unpainted prototypes and figure parts. No matter what else is going on with their end, when they tease stuff and can't deliver it's on them.

Hot Toys very rarely shows behind the scene stuff, they wait to show the full prototype. They may take a while but at least you know it WILL be released.

Hot Toys ALWAYS shows behind the scenes stuff and also make announcements about product they never deliver on either. Additionally, they're also notorious for leaving major holes in lines. Not sure where you're getting your info.

 

[WhoaItsJBot]

Re: ThreeZero Toys: 1:6 AMC's The Walking Dead

Hot Toys ALWAYS shows behind the scenes stuff and also make announcements about product they never deliver on either. Additionally, they're also notorious for leaving major holes in lines. Not sure where you're getting your info.

I only recall seeing a few behind the scenes photos. What unreleased product are you talking about?

 

[thenammagazine]

Re: ThreeZero Toys: 1:6 AMC's The Walking Dead

I only recall seeing a few behind the scenes photos. What unreleased product are you talking about?

They always show stuff on FB, in MILK, etc., and as far as non-releases, off the top of my head there's Rorschach from Watchmen who had a full prototype, the announcement of Anakin Skywalker who's yet to see the light of day, and nada at all from this announced license...

Or this one (Xavier also had a prototype)...

Are you also forgetting they have some of the worst QC in the industry? Such a poor choice of companies to pedistal.

 

[ali032373]

Re: ThreeZero Toys: 1:6 AMC's The Walking Dead

For me the big ball drop was GL. But don't kid yourself. HT is still sitting on top of the mountain. Comfortably and alone.

I want enterbay or three zero to make good stuff to finally give HT a run for their money. Right now, no one can threaten their reign. I though getting this license by three zero and the nba by enterbay was a good first step at chipping away at it.

 

[thenammagazine]

Re: ThreeZero Toys: 1:6 AMC's The Walking Dead

For me the big ball drop was GL. But don't kid yourself. HT is still sitting on top of the mountain. Comfortably and alone.

I want enterbay or three zero to make good stuff to finally give HT a run for their money. Right now, no one can threaten their reign. I though getting this license by three zero and the nba by enterbay was a good first step at chipping away at it.

HT will be their own undoing. Their complete lack of customer service, growing QC issues, re-releases of "limited edition collectibles" and ridiculously rising prices are undermining their own market.

 

[ali032373]

Re: ThreeZero Toys: 1:6 AMC's The Walking Dead

The QC issues are unfortunate but definitely not the norm. I can think of One of the Bats and ED 209. Weigh that against the total number of 1/6 products released and it's negligible. Those are the only ones of which I am aware.

Re customer service, I have no experience with that so while I can't really offer an opinion, that fact that I've never had to deal with HT customer service speaks for itself.

And your last argument on prices and re-releases is Unpersuasive IMO. The prices keep going up because the demand keeps going up. It's like saying the high cost of a Mercedes will be the end of Mercedes. If Mercedes made the prices the same as Honda they would be competitive. Just doesn't make sense for me if I understand your argument correctly. Demand for HT stuff is BOOMING. That's what driving the prices.

Same goes for re-releases. Most ppl want re-releases to pick up older figures that are now out of their budget. Again, that goes to demand. And why should HT let the aftermarket reap big profits on sold out items?

The demise of Ht comes in one of two ways IMO: 1. They run out of cool stuff to make. Ex- they've made every Terminator figure I could ever want. The license is maxed out for me. If that happens across the board, I have no more need for their products. Or 2. Someone else (like Three Zero) starts making comparable products more cheaply. Good ol' competition drives prices down and quality up. That's why I was glad to see companies expand into sports and tv (where HT has no presence) to establish themselves as solid companies. When other companies show they can compete on the same level, the licenses won't be as easily obtained.

Again just my .02.

 

[Pixelpiper]

Re: ThreeZero Toys: 1:6 AMC's The Walking Dead

The QC issues are unfortunate but definitely not the norm. I can think of One of the Bats and ED 209. .

Those are design issues, not QC issues, as the products were "perfect" as they were being packaged and arrived in people's hands. And IMO, this is HT's biggest problem, material design issues, not typical quality control. Though they have their fair share of things arriving broken and misassembled too.

 

[KingGrayskull]

Re: ThreeZero Toys: 1:6 AMC's The Walking Dead

They should completely stop showing unpainted prototypes and figure parts. No matter what else is going on with their end, when they tease stuff and can't deliver it's on them.

Hot Toys very rarely shows behind the scene stuff, they wait to show the full prototype. They may take a while but at least you know it WILL be released.

 

[thenammagazine]

Re: ThreeZero Toys: 1:6 AMC's The Walking Dead

The QC issues are unfortunate but definitely not the norm. I can think of One of the Bats and ED 209. Weigh that against the total number of 1/6 products released and it's negligible. Those are the only ones of which I am aware.

DX Batman, Spider-Man's broken shoulders, the SDCC EX BB Batman's broken ankles, ED 209's rotting visor (both old and new), the webbing on the SM2 Spidey, the paint peeling issues with their second Begins Batman, Comedian's rotting suit, West Batman's snagging issues, the first Tumbler release arriving with the spoilers broken and/or lights not working, Predator 1's light-up mask not working, etc. The company has had it's fair share of lemons.

Re customer service, I have no experience with that so while I can't really offer an opinion, that fact that I've never had to deal with HT customer service speaks for itself.

Not really, it makes you either more accepting or lucky. Those of us who had to post pics on their website of rotting figures, only to have the editor of MILK contact us and give us an email which HT would either answer or ignore, would completely disagree. That's those of us who got through. Several were just left to suffer.

And your last argument on prices and re-releases is Unpersuasive IMO. The prices keep going up because the demand keeps going up. It's like saying the high cost of a Mercedes will be the end of Mercedes. If Mercedes made the prices the same as Honda they would be competitive. Just doesn't make sense for me if I understand your argument correctly. Demand for HT stuff is BOOMING. That's what driving the prices.

One look at all the HT stuff IN STOCK on SSC's website and other websites, as well as retailers now requiring deposits and NRDs completely proves my point.

Same goes for re-releases. Most ppl want re-releases to pick up older figures that are now out of their budget. Again, that goes to demand. And why should HT let the aftermarket reap big profits on sold out items?

Most? No. Some don't mind re-releases, but I'm willing to bet those who already own the originals would completely disagree. And FYI, high aftermarket prices brought on by piqued interest and the need to own generate considerably more interest than oversaturation. It's business 101.

The demise of Ht comes in one of two ways IMO: 1. They run out of cool stuff to make. Ex- they've made every Terminator figure I could ever want. The license is maxed out for me. If that happens across the board, I have no more need for their products. Or 2. Someone else (like Three Zero) starts making comparable products more cheaply. Good ol' competition drives prices down and quality up. That's why I was glad to see companies expand into sports and tv (where HT has no presence) to establish themselves as solid companies. When other companies show they can compete on the same level, the licenses won't be as easily obtained.

While I agree that competition ends in better product, ATM, they have none. Their demise will be of their own doing, at their own hands, not anything Enterbay, Medicom, ThreeZero or anybody else offers. That's not to say they don't turn out excellent product, they do (which is subjective anyway). But I just don't see anybody closing that gap.

 

[ali032373]

Re: ThreeZero Toys: 1:6 AMC's The Walking Dead

I didnt know of all the expamples you cited. more of an issue than it should be IMO.

I think ppl do like re releases unless you're a flipper sitting on stock (nothing wrong w/ that). Just ask anyone who started collecting in the last 2 or 3 yrs. Or a 23 y.o working minimum wage. If you already have the figure, who cares if it's re released unless they do some worthwhile improvement. Maybe because I buy it when it's immediately released the first time I have diff perspective. If you buy years later at a premium, then it gets re released, yeah I'd be pissed.

and I will disagree on the NFD and stock issues. I think retailers use NFDs to make sure the buyer doesn't cancel (potentially costing the seller $) when the buyer finds it for $4 less at another retailer a week later. I don't think it has anything to do w/ the popularity of the figure.

And as far as stock, some things sit longer than others, but history shows most eventually sell out. When that happenens that when the price increases. At some point everything is in stock- the 1st Wolverine, Blade, War Machine 1 all sat for a bit before being sold out. and At one point they couldn't give away Harvey Dent, She- Pred, and Milk War. Machine. The days of pre-order sell out are basically over, but it does sell out. may take some time, but it won't be around forever.

I guess that's 2 more cents.

 

[thenammagazine]

Re: ThreeZero Toys: 1:6 AMC's The Walking Dead

I didnt know of all the expamples you cited. more of an issue than it should be IMO.

I think ppl do like re releases unless you're a flipper sitting on stock (nothing wrong w/ that). Just ask anyone who started collecting in the last 2 or 3 yrs. Or a 23 y.o working minimum wage. If you already have the figure, who cares if it's re released unless they do some worthwhile improvement. Maybe because I buy it when it's immediately released the first time I have diff perspective. If you buy years later at a premium, then it gets re released, yeah I'd be pissed.

and I will disagree on the NFD and stock issues. I think retailers use NFDs to make sure the buyer doesn't cancel (potentially costing the seller $) when the buyer finds it for $4 less at another retailer a week later. I don't think it has anything to do w/ the popularity of the figure.

And as far as stock, some things sit longer than others, but history shows most eventually sell out. When that happenens that when the price increases. At some point everything is in stock- the 1st Wolverine, Blade, War Machine 1 all sat for a bit before being sold out. and At one point they couldn't give away Harvey Dent, She- Pred, and Milk War. Machine. The days of pre-order sell out are basically over, but it does sell out. may take some time, but it won't be around forever.

I guess that's 2 more cents.

HT's product usually sits and sits before being clearanced out at bargain prices via stores or ebaY, or given away at events like Spook, or SDCC contests, newsletter contests, etc. which I wouldn't call "selling out." Thinking that's a successful business model is flawed logic. That rational is what works for companies like McFarlane, NECA, Hasbro, etc. where the product has a low overall cost and the product is mass produced. Applying that to high-end collectibles doesn't work and will end up running the company into the ground. For high-end collectibles it's better to make less than the demand to maintain interest vs. supersaturate the market with more product than there is a demand for. There's a reason companies like Lamborghini and Ferrari are still around and didn't need bailouts like Ford, Chevy, etc.

 

[Lee in MI]

Re: ThreeZero Toys: 1:6 AMC's The Walking Dead

Instant sellouts are over because Hot Toys is simply producing more numbers...why leave the money on the table

Gotta agree with Nam on this one. HTs will be their own demise for all the reasons listed.

 

[ali032373]

Re: ThreeZero Toys: 1:6 AMC's The Walking Dead

Reasonable people can differ. It'd be fun to revisit this in say 3 yrs to see where things are.

 

[Darklord Dave]

Re: ThreeZero Toys: 1:6 AMC's The Walking Dead

And the biggest complainer about the thread getting derailed - has derailed the thread.

Here's hoping there's some news soon - maybe out of New York Comic Con.

 

[Pixelpiper]

Re: ThreeZero Toys: 1:6 AMC's The Walking Dead

And the biggest complainer about the thread getting derailed - has derailed the thread.

Don't worry about it, all rail lines lead to Terminus.

 

[thenammagazine]

Re: ThreeZero Toys: 1:6 AMC's The Walking Dead

And the biggest complainer about the thread getting derailed - has derailed the thread.

Here's hoping there's some news soon - maybe out of New York Comic Con.

So maybe in 23 days, huh?

 

[Lee in MI]

Re: ThreeZero Toys: 1:6 AMC's The Walking Dead

Don't worry about it, all rail lines lead to Terminus.