Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland

[Maglor]

I thought that was done on purpose. I don't think he was supposed to move naturally.

If that's the case then what a huge mistake!!!

But I don't think that's the case as I have seen that kind of hurky-jerky kind of motion in other poorly done CG characters. Plus Stayne wasn't the only character in the movie that looked that way at times, for example: Stayne's horse. When we see Stayne for the first time, he climbs up on his horse, I think his horse rears up and they ride away. Looks atrocious!

 

[Maglor]

It was directed by Henry Selick, not Tim Burton.

Correct, Burton wrote and produced it.

 

[ProgMatinee]

It was directed by Henry Selick, not Tim Burton.

HAHAHA. Then yeah, I guess I don't like anything of his!

 

[Maglor]

Like I said, some just don't "get" Burton.

 

[Agent0028]

Well if he wrote it wouldn't that be the other side of the same coin in it being one of his movies?

 

[ProgMatinee]

Like I said, some just don't "get" Burton.

That pretty much indicates that he's a one trick pony though. His actors are predictable, his atmosphere is predictable, his sense of humor is predictable. If you don't like a few of his movies you probably won't like any of them.

Other directors you can like some but not all of their work and it wouldn't be about "getting" the director but rather "getting" the specific movie. I think movies should feel like themselves and not so much like the director that does it. Burton film, Shamalan film, etc I don't like that. I think a good director doesn't need to let you know that its his film by giving you his patented style.

 

[Kal-El]

I couldn't wait for it to be over.

 

[Mesa]

I liked it. Was it as good as Avatar? Not even close. Was it Burton's best? No, I still think sweeney Todd was one of his recent best films.

But this movie was enjoyable. It reminded me a lot of Narnia, which I also enjoy.

Definitely not a film for anyone undr the age of 10. Some kid started screaming during the final fight scene when the beast was felled. 3-D was just okay, nothing like Avatar, and this was my second "modern" 3-D film.

 

[Maglor]

That pretty much indicates that he's a one trick pony though. His actors are predictable, his atmosphere is predictable, his sense of humor is predictable. If you don't like a few of his movies you probably won't like any of them.

Other directors you can like some but not all of their work and it wouldn't be about "getting" the director but rather "getting" the specific movie. I think movies should feel like themselves and not so much like the director that does it. Burton film, Shamalan film, etc I don't like that. I think a good director doesn't need to let you know that its his film by giving you his patented style.

I see your point, but don't totally agree. Other examples of directors that have a signature style would be Terry Gilliam and David Lynch. They make movies the way they do because that's what they love, and their fans follow them for that reason.


Same could be said of bands/musical artists. They have a signature sound. Most bands more or less stick to that sound, or at least style. Many bands evolve, but still are recognizable as that band.

I think Burton has evolved, but he is still Burton, and his signature is all over Alice In Wonderland.

 

[ProgMatinee]

thats true about bands...they do need to stick to whatever they feel is "who they are". I probably just don't like Burton's style so much it actually detracts my interest in his films. I know I purposely skipped on "Sweeney Todd" just because it looked exactly like any other Burton/Depp movie just a new story and characters, but exact same atmosphere. I think with bands, I like bands for the style, but movies I like for the story.

Burton films seem more about style than story.

 

[Maglor]

Dude, you really should give Sweeney Todd a try!

Takes the Gothic element of his style to a whole new level.

It is very dark.

And very cool.:emperor

And very bloody!

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And it does not have a happy ending.

Fitting and satisfying, but not happy.

Did you like Sleepy Hollow?

 

[CelticPredator]

Burton isnt that hard to get. His movies will either entertain you, or not. He's not deep.

 

[Shai]

aside from scissorhands, ed wood, big fish i've really enjoyed everything he's done. .

what ???? You're a crazy man.


Ed wood is a masterpiece and the 2 others are nearly as awesome too.

And i'm always touched by his movies so I dont agree with the comment by another poster that he's just style.

 

[devilof76]

Style is content. Burton has plenty of both.

And I agree with Shai. Ed Wood and Scissorhands were both emotionally potent movies. Add Sleepy Hollow to that too.

It's possible that there are people who just can't relate to the emotional content of his films. I assume that would make them seem empty to those who don't like them. Or something like that.

 

[ProgMatinee]

i didn't say its ALL style, just that its style OVER story...for me anyway. and this is coming from someone who is admitting I judge the book by its cover in the case of Sweeny Todd and I guess this Alice in Wonderland. I see a preview with Johnny Depp in a Burton film and I just think "oh I've seen that already" or "its another goth film"...

I'm not trying to belittle the films in anyway, just saying they aren't really my thing.

 

[IrishJedi]

aside from Scissorhands, Ed Wood, and Big Fish I've really enjoyed everything he's done.

Dude, those are almost unanimously considered his 3 best films.

I'm not trying to belittle the films in anyway, just saying they aren't really my thing.

Well, he's certainly become very one-dimensional in recent years. Aside from BIG FISH (and SWEENEY TODD, to some extent) he's almost become a parody of himself.

 

[LOTRFan]

Dude, those are almost unanimously considered his 3 best films.

Dave just like to be a detractor.

 

[Maglor]

Style is content. Burton has plenty of both.

And I agree with Shai. Ed Wood and Scissorhands were both emotionally potent movies. Add Sleepy Hollow to that too.

It's possible that there are people who just can't relate to the emotional content of his films. I assume that would make them seem empty to those who don't like them. Or something like that.

I just said that! Is anybody listening to me!!!

 

[Darklord Dave]

Dude, those are almost unanimously considered his 3 best films.



Well, he's certainly become very one-dimensional in recent years. Aside from BIG FISH (and SWEENEY TODD, to some extent) he's almost become a parody of himself.

Beetlejuice, Batman and Sweeney Todd (and now Alice in Wonderland) are his best films. Ed Wood had some great performances, but I couldn't have cared any less for the characters. I don't even remember what Big Fish was about, it was so boring and Scissorhands had some cool visuals, but I just didn't buy the metaphor.

 

[Maglor]

Big Fish made me cry like a little girl.


...come to think of it, to a lesser extent, so did Edward.


But Alice didn't.

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...O.K. a little bit when she said: "Number 6: I can slay the Jabberwock!"