Top 5 Things why PT worked for me!

[Apone]

PS.. I will still watch them though...I am on board for almost anything star wars.

 

[Khev]

PS.. I will still watch them though...I am on board for almost anything star wars.

Agreed!

The only things I really ignore are 99% of the comics and novels. Darn near everything else has something about it that makes it pretty sweet.

 

[Apone]

Yea...reading is for losers and nerds.. lol jk.. I dont get into the novels though or comics either...im on the movie, tv show kick with collecting as my outlet.

 

[Sweet Rabbit]

1. natalie portman in that white outfit in ep. II
2. anakin vs. obi-wan in ep. III
3. the jedi arena fight in ep. II
4. the pod race in ep. I
5. order 66

 

[a-dev]

I wouldn't expect you to. Especially since you come from the camp that compartmentalizes all the "good" of SW into the OT and the "bad" into the PT. I'm glad that the rose colored glasses of my youth don't ignore all the bad of the OT and the good of the PT. If I were to objectively pair off the better and lesser trilogies it would be ROTS, ANH, and TESB vs. TPM, AOTC, and ROTJ. I still greatly enjoy the latter films, just not as much as the former.

The best scenes in ROTJ are Luke going off on Vader and Vader's funeral pyre, which are really no more than inspired photography set to brilliant John Williams music. ROTS had more filmmaking "meat," IMO. With solid performances by not only Ian McDiarmid but also Ewan McGregor at the very least, great scenes that relied not only on great photography and music but dialogue and editing as well (the intercut sequence between Obi-Wan and Yoda, Palpatine announcing the Empire, and Anakin slaughtering the separatists is fantastic, for instance.) ROTS also had a feeling of actual stakes. You knew and felt that if the heroes failed all would be lost. In ROTJ failure for the heroes was an alternative in the technical sense, but never a viable possibility. The battles were just too easy for everyone, to the point that no one suffered any loss. A stark contrast to the drama in ROTS, ANH, and TESB.

Well you've just gone and compartmentalised me into a 'camp' so I'm not the only one doing that. You happen to be right though - and I am unashamed. OT = good, PT = bad (again, fun adventure films but IMO poor if considered part of the SW universe, could have been so much better)

About the sense of there being stakes in ROTS. Only because it was predetermined by the story as we already knew it that the good guys would lose. No less predetermined than it was that the good guys would win in ROTJ. Maybe I'm misunderstanding your point. If anything ROTJ ought to have seemed more tense since back then we didn't know exactly would happen, if anyone would die etc. With ROTS we did know before even seeing the film who would win and who would lose while the only surprising death (and surprising because it contradicts ROTJ and is pretty stupid in its own right) was Padme.

 

[SilentSurfer]

I believe the difference between childhood perception and adult expectation has been the inexhaustible fuel on this fire.

 

[papa-alpha-charlie]

it's like oral sex, even bad Star Wars is awesome.

 

[a-dev]

I believe the difference between childhood perception and adult expectation has been the inexhaustible fuel on this fire.

Yeah I'm sure it plays a part but its not the whole.

 

[shocktrooper_au]

I forgot a big one:

6. ROTJ is a much better movie after the PT (specifically ROTS.) There's now greater poignancy in Vader's decision to save Luke after his misstep when Mace Windu was being electrocuted. I also like that when Luke temporarily gains "the high ground" Vader throws his saber to bring him down instead of recklessly jumping up to meet him.

Never thought about your second point there until you mentioned it...

 

[EVILFACE]

I believe the difference between childhood perception and adult expectation has been the inexhaustible fuel on this fire.

I agree with this 100%.

 

[The Josh]

I believe the difference between childhood perception and adult expectation has been the inexhaustible fuel on this fire.

Perfectly said and I think is 110% the reason.

 

[Darth Madden]

I believe the difference between childhood perception and adult expectation has been the inexhaustible fuel on this fire.

Yeah I'm sure it plays a part but its not the whole.

Its probably 95% for me. I was 7 when Star Wars hit the theater and I was a fan from the first scene. I had never seen a series of movies like them and growing up with them was my entire world. Then the PT comes out. I hated Phantom Menace, Clones was decent and really liked Sith (I'd put it on par with Jedi) but being an adult just made them feel different, they just didn't have the same punch as when I was a kid since all the wonder and "newness" was gone. It was fun to have a new SW series but it wasn't even close to the feeling of being 7 - 13 and watching the OT for the first time as a kid. Thats why the OT does and always will be better in my mind.

 

[Khev]

About the sense of there being stakes in ROTS. Only because it was predetermined by the story as we already knew it that the good guys would lose. No less predetermined than it was that the good guys would win in ROTJ.

The stakes in ROTS had nothing to do with knowing the outcome. That's why I mentioned ANH. We've all seen it a hundred times and know the outcome all too well yet each time you view it you still get a sense of what can be lost. Owen and Beru, Obi-Wan, Alderaan, Biggs, etc.

Not one single good guy who actually has a name dies in ROTJ as a result of the conflict (except Vader, who only becomes a good guy the last second of the conflict.) That's not the case with any other film in the saga. Regardless of whether or not you know the outcome, when Luke casually flicks idiotic Skiff guards into the Sarlacc by the wrist and a blind man flails wildly killing the deadliest bounty hunter in the galaxy you just know the rest of the film is going to be a cakewalk, and it is.

An awesome cakewalk (let me reiterate that I *do* love ROTJ) but not quite as good as the best of the PT.

 

[jedibear]

Alright....I'll play...

Top 5 Things why PT worked for me...

1) The sense of fun & community each movie generated...from collecting to conventions to seeing the movies with a totally charged audience...nothing like it.

2) The fantastic and ever-interesting design work of Chaing, Tiemens, Bigger, McCaig and the whole team that created the layered, well considered and densely detailed worlds I still enjoy exploring with every viewing.

4) AOTC - the story, the characters, the worlds, the whole package, warts-n-all. The whole saga takes it's darkest turns here and it's the most unconventional "Star Wars" movie of all and I love it.

5) Liam Neeson as Qui-Gon Jinn....his leonine nobility paired with a wild west appeal make him one of the most interesting Jedi ever...

 

[msjedi36]

Alright....I'll play...

Top 5 Things why PT worked for me...

1) The sense of fun & community each movie generated...from collecting to conventions to seeing the movies with a totally charged audience...nothing like it.

2) The fantastic and ever-interesting design work of Chaing, Tiemens, Bigger, McCaig and the whole team that created the layered, well considered and densely detailed worlds I still enjoy exploring with every viewing.

4) AOTC - the story, the characters, the worlds, the whole package, warts-n-all. The whole saga takes it's darkest turns here and it's the most unconventional "Star Wars" movie of all and I love it.

5) Liam Neeson as Qui-Gon Jinn....his leonine nobility paired with a wild west appeal make him one of the most interesting Jedi ever...

I really didn't like this movie when I first saw it back in 2002. I didn't like it that much that didn't watch it again until ROTS came out and than again a few months ago with my son and I now think it's really a underrated movie. I really enjoyed it this time around. It flows really well and the last 45 minutes of the movie is filled with a lot of good action scenes. ROTS is still my favorite of the PT but ATOC is now enjoyable for me to watch as much as the others are. The PT is really good stuff and I'm just happy that I have 6 movies that enjoy watching and collect as well

 

[Darth Madden]

The only part I really hate in AOTC was the Anakin/Padme crap.

 

[Vex]

The Anakin and Padme crap felt so fake, ruined the movie.

 

[a-dev]

The stakes in ROTS had nothing to do with knowing the outcome. That's why I mentioned ANH. We've all seen it a hundred times and know the outcome all too well yet each time you view it you still get a sense of what can be lost. Owen and Beru, Obi-Wan, Alderaan, Biggs, etc.

Not one single good guy who actually has a name dies in ROTJ as a result of the conflict (except Vader, who only becomes a good guy the last second of the conflict.) That's not the case with any other film in the saga. Regardless of whether or not you know the outcome, when Luke casually flicks idiotic Skiff guards into the Sarlacc by the wrist and a blind man flails wildly killing the deadliest bounty hunter in the galaxy you just know the rest of the film is going to be a cakewalk, and it is.

An awesome cakewalk (let me reiterate that I *do* love ROTJ) but not quite as good as the best of the PT.

Hmm, alright I can't argue that. I think you're right, no main characters or even any previously known background characters like Wedge get killed in Jedi. Theres only 2 deaths of note, Vader and....an ewok! Still, I guess I'm just predisposed to preferring Jedi over Sith. That'll simply never change.

[5) Liam Neeson as Qui-Gon Jinn....his leonine nobility paired with a wild west appeal make him one of the most interesting Jedi ever...

I love Qui-Gon Jinn, and Neesons performance. Probably for me the highlight of the Prequels. Trouble is I think the character was completely unnecessary and ultimately got in the way of the the more important story to be told - Anakin and Ob-wan.

I really didn't like this movie when I first saw it back in 2002. I didn't like it that much that didn't watch it again until ROTS came out and than again a few months ago with my son and I now think it's really a underrated movie. I really enjoyed it this time around. It flows really well and the last 45 minutes of the movie is filled with a lot of good action scenes. ROTS is still my favorite of the PT but ATOC is now enjoyable for me to watch as much as the others are. The PT is really good stuff and I'm just happy that I have 6 movies that enjoy watching and collect as well

AOTC had excellent action sequences. I loved Obi-wan VS Jango at Kamino, the asteroid sequence and most of the Geonosis battle.

 

[TheGent]

Qui-Gon came back out of the box as Yoda at the end of ROTS says to Obi-Wan that his old master has found a way to pass death. Um, or something. Acting was great, figure was great, but really necessary, Qui-Gon was not.

 

[FLOSI]

1.) Natalie Portman is damn hot and I want to have the sex wit her
2.) I really liked Ewan's Obi Wan
3.) Duel of the Fates (not just the song but the entire lightsaber duel itself)
4.) General Grievous
5.) The Clones and their cool ass armor


And a bonus sixth "thing" since I'm traditionally anti-PT: The Obi Wan v. Anakin duel.