Torrents Bad or good?

[CelticPredator]

You can easily win the argument if you just said you steal things and love doing it.

 

[HODLr]

Parasites of the world unite...

Hilarious. This and your previous post are the quintessential examples of hyperbole. You might not like how things are evolving, but that isn't going to change the future and the direction we're headed.

To the commenter above me - straw man much?

 

[devilof76]

If you refuse to acknowledge property rights, then you can call the change whatever you like (evolution is nothing more the change from one state to another). It's theft, theft is evolving as acceptable to the morally deficient, and the future will arrive as a burning wreck if you succeed.

Better?

 

[CelticPredator]

Oh I doubt that. I don't think the world is going to collapse because a few thousand people stole X-Men Origins: Wolverine.

 

[devilof76]

Of course not. But if the monkey's claim is that the world is evolving to a place where property is obsolete, then the world we can expect will be a disaster. There was an exceptionally ****ty economist/historian who predicted history would evolve in such a way. The countries with enough dolts to fall for it ended up enduring mass starvation, insane poverty, prison camps, state sponsored purges, etc.

 

[ShadowX81]

Not a valid analogy.

How so? Im curious to hear the explanation on how its so different.

 

[HODLr]

Of course not. But if the monkey's claim is that the world is evolving to a place where property is obsolete, then the world we can expect will be a disaster. There was an exceptionally ****ty economist/historian who predicted history would evolve in such a way. The countries with enough dolts to fall for it ended up enduring mass starvation, insane poverty, prison camps, state sponsored purges, etc.

No one is arguing that property is becoming obsolete. Perceived value is changing. You're trying to argue from a moral stand point and that has nothing to do with anything, other than your personal opinion. I'm not sure you can even argue, in terms of reality, when the side you've chosen (industry) is as morally corrupt as they come.

You equate copyright infringement with the fall of society and it makes no sense at all. Humans have always been corrupt, more so in the past than now, so maybe you're just a nihilist or a negative thinker.

There are a lot of things we get for free because we watch advertisements, etc. That is the exchange. Downloading music for free then paying to see said artist live is another type of exchange. Whether you like it or not, nothing has a set value, and because you chose not to accept the way things are changing, that some how makes those who do, criminals and/or morally corrupt. That is far from the truth and even farther from reality.

People who download music for free aren't criminals or morally corrupt. I might also add that the sky isn't falling.

 

[devilof76]

Talk about hyperbole. We can add misdirection to that as well.

This thread is about downloading content that has not been paid for, and which is available for purchase. You are arguing that this is an evolution of the markets which it is affecting. I made a simple connection that if not paying for what you watch and listen to is mere evolution, then the nature of that evolution is the abolition of property per se--intellectual property in particular-- and that an advanced society such as ours, where people are paid for the things they produce, cannot continue.

If you do not consider theft of music a moral issue, please elaborate how that is the case. If you think that refusing to condone theft is nihilistic, please, elaborate. If you think that downloading music and not paying the people to whom it belongs is neither criminal, nor corrupt, by all means---explain yourself.

All I'm hearing from you is pure bull****. Care to start talking straight?

 

[Solidus]

Join date Aug 2013 .

 

[devilof76]

23 posts.

That's a lot for such a small mouth.

How so? Im curious to hear the explanation on how its so different.

You can look up 'public domain' as easily as I can.

 

[Lejuan]

Downloading music for free then paying to see said artist live is another type of exchange.

Nooooooo. In paying to see an artist live, you are paying to see the artist live. That's the exchange. The music you downloaded can only be considered a part of that exchange if the law in this instance is arbitrary. Which it isn't.

 

[Darkmatter]

I couldn't follow you... too much what?

music, movies....free *hit. our society has become one of demanding entertainment all the time. at home, in our vehicles, in our office. we have become fat and spoiled. we need to all make it a point to go out at least once a day and do something we don't like with no entertainment attached to make us feel appreciative and help us realize just how good we've got it.

 

[devilof76]

Nooooooo. In paying to see an artist live, you are paying to see the artist live. That's the exchange. The music you downloaded can only be considered a part of that exchange if the law in this instance is arbitrary. Which it isn't.

The double talk in this thread is impressive.

"There was an 'exchange'. See? I paid. Someone. Sometime. For something. Therefore, not theft."

 

[Lejuan]

if only that logic worked at my local massage parlour

 

[BadMoon]

Other than this post, I don't think I will waste my time further posting in this thread. This board is apparently peopled with simpletons. I can't have a conversation or debate with such irrational morons.

 

[devilof76]

You don't want to stick around just to watch us throw rocks at them?

 

[fosing]

im surprised it got this far and nobody mentioned PORN yet.

 

[karamazov80]

You don't want to stick around just to watch us throw rocks at them?

Considering we're at this point, I guess this thread has reached its logical conclusion.