devilof76
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What I'm getting at is that patented designs can be stolen. Do they have patents in Sweden?
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There is a guy using a 3D printer for a car... (kind of)
https://www.gizmag.com/3d-print-aston-martin-db4-replica/28518/
Yeah I saw that. So cool!
There were also some guys printing out weapons... that's going to create some serious problems around the world especially in countries where guns are illegal/strict gun control..
[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DconsfGsXyA[/ame]
I don't care much for that. I don't believe someone should have exclusive rights to a design they happened to come up with first. If I wanted to sculpt a Darth Vader statue and use it however I want to I should be able to. We're coming back to the issue of theft/piracy. How is one stealing a design if they haven't taken it away from you?
yeah... that's going to be a problem...
well it's like when people make custom heads and stuff. I guess they can make them but not sell them?
devilof76
Super Freak
How do you earn the right to a design that you didn't create? What did you do that makes it yours? Liking and/or desiring something does not give you a proprietary claim.
It's not a matter of who came up with it first. The design wasn't out there, waiting to be discovered. It was made. Invented. Individual thought producing a unique creation.
Do they have that in Sweden?
Lejuan
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I'd presume that a library is a 'regular channel'. If a library has the rights to loan out various material, then obviously as a member of the library you're free to borrow and watch it under that agreement. My point is more about 'irregular channels'... ie loads of content on youtube contravenes the copyright agreement of the source material's license holder, and watching that is not so much like borrowing from a library but more like sneaking into a movie theatre to watch a movie when you ought to have bought a ticket. In other words, just because you don't have a 'thing' in your possessn, you can still be 'stealing'.
It might just be that 3D printers will be banned because of the danger they can impose.
Exactly.
What says a design's fate is yours to decide only because you designed it?
I don't need your or anyone's permission to design something someone else already designed, that's ridiculous.
devilof76
Super Freak
Because if I designed it, it's mine.
I am the cause of the design. It would not exist without me.
I am the cause of the design. It would not exist without me.
It's not yours if I can use it as well without taking anything physical away from you.
devilof76
Super Freak
You are gaining something physical that you would not have if I didn't design it. You are getting something for nothing, and the something was made possible by someone who is not you. If I didn't give you permission to use my work, you are a thief.
Do they have honor in Sweden?
Do they have honor in Sweden?
I understand.
But the example of the movie theater, well, you are paying for a movie that just came out, and you are going inside a building, and you get to sit in front a giant screen. So I don't know because by sneaking in you are not just watching something but you are seating on a chair that could be used for a paying costumer...
Yes but if you hadn't designed it I could have designed something else or used someone else's design for my personal use. Your design wasn't necessary for me to create something physical and I didn't take something physical away from you.
I don't need your permission to make a copy of your work as long as I don't come into your home and take the damn design from you.
Maybe I should just design thousands of different forms, patent them as say no one can use these. Do you see the problem in this? Having exclusive rights to a form or design? It's ridiculous. Where's the honor in defending monopoly on designs...
devilof76
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Yes, you do need my permission. The design was my work, which you are using to benefit yourself.
Without my work, you would have nothing. Get it?
Honorable people pay for what other people provide them. I realize that's a foreign concept where you're from.
Monopoly on design...
Without my work, you would have nothing. Get it?
Honorable people pay for what other people provide them. I realize that's a foreign concept where you're from.
Monopoly on design...
Yes, you do need my permission. The design was my work, which you are using to benefit yourself.
Without my work, you would have nothing. Get it?
Honorable people pay for what other people provide them. I realize that's a foreign concept where you're from.
Monopoly on design...
the question is how would you know he made a copy if he never post or try to sell it?
(Which is what I Was saying about recast and custom figures. The problem is people trying to make money out of them no?)
Just made me wonder, since people copy sculpts and copy likeness of actors all the time.
intothevoid
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It's not about where he's from - this concept is pretty alien to plenty of Americans too 
But yeah, the concept of paying for intellectual property is non-existent in most of the modern generation.
I will agree however that the music and media industries as a whole have grossly miscalculated in the way they've dealt with on the onset of the internet and the fact that copies can be made available at virtually no cost, at ease.
CD's should never have cost more than $5. Talk about $15 and $20 albums. Who has that much money to spend regularly? Ridiculous.
As for whether piracy is hurting the industry, you bet it is. I've done my college dissertation on this issue, so I know a thing or two about it. Record companies are fast becoming an endangered species. The future is direct to consumer.
But yeah, the concept of paying for intellectual property is non-existent in most of the modern generation.
I will agree however that the music and media industries as a whole have grossly miscalculated in the way they've dealt with on the onset of the internet and the fact that copies can be made available at virtually no cost, at ease.
CD's should never have cost more than $5. Talk about $15 and $20 albums. Who has that much money to spend regularly? Ridiculous.
As for whether piracy is hurting the industry, you bet it is. I've done my college dissertation on this issue, so I know a thing or two about it. Record companies are fast becoming an endangered species. The future is direct to consumer.
Here's something to think about. If someone torrents a movie, then goes to see it, is that stealing? If after seeing the movie at the theater they then buy the movie on DVD, etc. are they still a thief?
There's this thing in life called a demo and people demo movies, music, software, etc. all of the time. I guarantee you that Adobe has warez/torrenting to thank for a large percentage of their customers. You download the stuff in highschool because you can't afford it. You then learn said software and you recommend the company you work for buy a version of it. It pays big dividends and to admit otherwise is disengenuous.
D you know who media software companies should focus on, in terms of piracy? Large counterfitting operations who sell their pirated goods to hundreds of millions of people, not the people at home just dinking around.
As far as the hypothetical arguments, they are a waste of time. There are many studies that actually prove torrenting or file sharing helps, not hurts. Corporations just love to use the piracy excuse to justify such high pricing models.
There's this thing in life called a demo and people demo movies, music, software, etc. all of the time. I guarantee you that Adobe has warez/torrenting to thank for a large percentage of their customers. You download the stuff in highschool because you can't afford it. You then learn said software and you recommend the company you work for buy a version of it. It pays big dividends and to admit otherwise is disengenuous.
D you know who media software companies should focus on, in terms of piracy? Large counterfitting operations who sell their pirated goods to hundreds of millions of people, not the people at home just dinking around.
As far as the hypothetical arguments, they are a waste of time. There are many studies that actually prove torrenting or file sharing helps, not hurts. Corporations just love to use the piracy excuse to justify such high pricing models.
intothevoid
Super Freak
Yes the sampling effect does HELP a subset of the population in making future purchases. But the overall impact is still mostly negative especially when it comes to the music industry.
Film is slightly different.
devilof76
Super Freak
The question is whether or not it's right, not whether or not they can get away with it.
It's not about where he's from - this concept is pretty alien to plenty of Americans too
But yeah, the concept of paying for intellectual property is non-existent in most of the modern generation.
I'm picking on Sweden because they don't have much respect for the concept of property in general. And yes, many Americans have the same problem. I probably wouldn't care what socialists did to themselves if the ideology hadn't infected this country.
Where I'm from? Do you have a problem with staying on topic or do you just like to make ad hominem attacks?
I don't need your permission to benefit myself from a design you created. You create it and you should be prepared that others might "copy" your design or whatever it is. It's a different issue if I take your design, sell it to others and/or claim it's my design. That's dishonesty. But just making a copy of a statue for my personal use is no one's business but mine.
There's also the concept of sharing your work with everyone and not being greedy and selfish.
Do you have a problem with staying on topic or do you just like to make ad hominem attacks?I don't need your permission to benefit myself from a design you created. You create it and you should be prepared that others might "copy" your design or whatever it is. It's a different issue if I take your design, sell it to others and/or claim it's my design. That's dishonesty. But just making a copy of a statue for my personal use is no one's business but mine.
There's also the concept of sharing your work with everyone and not being greedy and selfish.
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