[Toys-Era] DOFP: Master of Magnetism 1/6 scale

[jacerc130]

Mutant and proud.....NO MORE HIDING

 

[DarthTrafford]

I'm finally going to pull the trigger on this one.
Since Hot Toys seems to have dropped the ball.
I'm glad smaller companies are taking a crack at them.

 

[WhoaItsJBot]

Does anyone have a glue recommendation for figure use? I have Loctite, just wondering if certain glues might not be ideal for the material.

 

[Motuxmen]

I'm finally going to pull the trigger on this one.
Since Hot Toys seems to have dropped the ball.
I'm glad smaller companies are taking a crack at them.

Hot toys didn't "drop the ball". They are not allowed to legally make the figure.

 

[Motuxmen]

Does anyone have a glue recommendation for figure use? I have Loctite, just wondering if certain glues might not be ideal for the material.

Loctite should be ok, just don't use a lot. Any type of super glue will be fine. The stuff you don't want to use is the glue designed for model cars. It actually dissolves plastic. I would recommend buying a debonder as well, just in case. It will allow removal of super glue if you have an accident or mistake (like glue your fingers together lol)

 

[WhoaItsJBot]

Loctite should be ok, just don't use a lot. Any type of super glue will be fine. The stuff you don't want to use is the glue designed for model cars. It actually dissolves plastic. I would recommend buying a debonder as well, just in case. It will allow removal of super glue if you have an accident or mistake (like glue your fingers together lol)

Thanks for the info. The plastic dissolving or corroding is what I was concerned about, especially since the helmet is a soft plastic.

 

[Motuxmen]

Yeah, totally understand. Standard superglue should be fine (loctite is just super glue)

 

[Username]

Thanks for the info. The plastic dissolving or corroding is what I was concerned about, especially since the helmet is a soft plastic.

That glue mentioned above wouldn't glue the head to the helmet anyway as they are made of pvc and not affected by plastic melting glue.

 

[Motuxmen]

Isn't the head plastic though? I don't have one so I am not sure what it's made of. But that model glue is pretty aggressive stuff. It'll mess up all kinds of things. Just depends on what maker and what mix. One of its main ingredients is acetone, which will damage paint and most plastics. It's not something I'd ever use on a "finished" product. There's a few brands that even work across plastic types. Any plastic. It's what a lot of custom acrylic fish tanks are made with.

Anyway, safest and best bet is super glue. And use as little as possible. Lol

there's also two part epoxy. You could coat parts of the helmet on the inside and stick it to the HS and it will never come off. Ever. Lol it all depends on what your level of experience and comfort is really.

 

[Username]

Isn't the head plastic though? I don't have one so I am not sure what it's made of. But that model glue is pretty aggressive stuff. It'll mess up all kinds of things. Just depends on what maker and what mix. One of its main ingredients is acetone, which will damage paint and most plastics. It's not something I'd ever use on a "finished" product.

That type of glue only melts acrylic and styrene. While you are correct that there are trace amounts of acetone, it's actually Methyl Ethyl Ketone(I always keep a steady supply for model projects).
It *will* damage the paintwork but will not glue in the strictest sense. It's best kept away from a HT head or similar, like you said.
The head is a plastic of a kind, but is not the kind that MEK products would be able to bond.

 

[DarthTrafford]

Hot toys didn't "drop the ball". They are not allowed to legally make the figure.

They dropped the ball.
They teased a young Professor X from the 1st movie and never followed through.
If that's not dropping the ball I don't know what is? They had the rights to the film and blew it.
Other companies are now capitalizing on their missed opportunity!

 

[WhoaItsJBot]

They dropped the ball.
They teased a young Professor X from the 1st movie and never followed through.
If that's not dropping the ball I don't know what is? They had the rights to the film and blew it.
Other companies are now capitalizing on their missed opportunity!

Apparently they didn't have the likeness rights to release the figures, meaning the actors didn't approve of the sculpts. From what I gather anyway. Blame Fassbender for the fact we won't get an official Magneto.

 

[Gipetto0812]

Hot toys didn't "drop the ball". They are not allowed to legally make the figure.

Sometimes it's not always about legality. Take Loki from the first Thor movie for instance. HT decided not to release it b/c by the time it was supposed to be released was so late in the game and close to Avengers that they scrapped it and just went with the Avengers version. They've said it themselves. And that's just one instance. If HT doesn't feel it's worth it, they won't make it.

 

[Motuxmen]

Sometimes it's not always about legality. Take Loki from the first Thor movie for instance. HT decided not to release it b/c by the time it was supposed to be released was so late in the game and close to Avengers that they scrapped it and just went with the Avengers version. They've said it themselves. And that's just one instance. If HT doesn't feel it's worth it, they won't make it.

I know that. But that doesn't mean that's every time. It's not. They have said that the rights issues are what made the xmen figures go away. Other manufactures said it as well.

 

[Motuxmen]

They dropped the ball.
They teased a young Professor X from the 1st movie and never followed through.
If that's not dropping the ball I don't know what is? They had the rights to the film and blew it.
Other companies are now capitalizing on their missed opportunity!

Wrong. They didn't have the actors rights. So they didn't have the right to make the figure. And NO ONE has the right to legally make them. Which is why there are NO xmen first class figures by ANYONE. And only one actor signed a likeness merchandising deal. Which is why there are NO Jennifer Lawrence figures (go read the press release from diamond select where they explicitly state the ACTOR said no and their prototype figure of mystique was cancelled Becuase of it). It's why the first class figure of prof X was shelved. Loki was shelved because the cost was to much given the projected sales. Which they stated. And with the xmen figures they said it was a rights issue.

So again...they DID NOT drop the ball. They abided by the LAW. Which toys-era is not doing. They are paying no likeness rights. They are not having to pay taxes. They are not having to do product testing and abide government regs. It's an illegal figure. No oversight. And it still costs nearly what a hot toys figure does. They do no customer service. But sure, slam hot toys for abiding by the rules, regulations and laws...while patting these guys on the back for doing exactly the opposite.

And in case anyone is unclear...I wasn't saying not buy. But get your story straight. You brought up hot toys and that they dropped the ball with absolutely no real understanding, obviously, of how it works. And giving these people a thumbs up with the same level of understanding.

Enjoying the figure isn't what I am addressing. It's the completly incorrect theory that hot toys some how messed up and toys-era is doing it right. When hot toys simply followed the law, and toys-era broke it. It's that simple.

Edit- here's a link to an article addressing the DS mystique issue. It illustrates the problems. And I before you respond with "but that's mystique and not magneto" which I am sure is the response...remember you brought up the prof X figure which isn't exactly magneto, and at least the figure I brought up is from the same film which has the same licensing deal. The prof X figure would have been on a different license.

X-Men Days of Future Past Marvel Select Mystique Cancelled - The Toyark - News


And here's a quote from Howard about that prof X figure. The approvals he talked about came from hugh Jackman. Hence the wolverine figures from last stand and dofp. (The wolverine and wolverine origins had actor likenesss deals built into the actor contracts so different then the "X men" films)


HKFC: 2012 Anicom Fair revealed Xmen Professor Xavier but since then there aren't any updates, care to share?

Howard: I believe most of you have seen the prototype and the movie licencor approved too. However, at a later stage the movie studio told us we would now need to acquire every actors head sculpts licensing approval by ourselves, hence the delay. The Xmen movie license is quite tedious, and as mentioned before, we need to talk to each actor. Some of them have given us the green light, so we are currently still in the planning stage of who to produce firs

 

[Uncanny Web-Slinger]

They dropped the ball.
They teased a young Professor X from the 1st movie and never followed through.
If that's not dropping the ball I don't know what is? They had the rights to the film and blew it.
Other companies are now capitalizing on their missed opportunity!

Apparently they didn't have the likeness rights to release the figures, meaning the actors didn't approve of the sculpts. From what I gather anyway. Blame Fassbender for the fact we won't get an official Magneto.

I've never seen any source posted for Fassbender denying likeness rights, it's probably an assumption. For all we know Hot Toys has it and is waiting on more Actors signing up or has approached other actors and haven't gotten around to him yet.

And even If Fassbender did deny any merchandise be made of him that's just one actor for one character, X-Men has tons and they won't all refuse.

What's more likely, that all the actors refused except Jackman and that's why there's only been Wolverine or Hot Toys hasn't tried to acquire the likeness' of others?

IMO Hot Toys has for whatever reason chosen to give up pursuing likeness rights of the myriad of others actors so other companies have taken the initiative to fill the demand.
Unlicensed companies of course as Hot Toys has the license held hostage so no other legitimate 1/6 companiy can get it and attempt to get the likeness rights and make official figures

 

[Motuxmen]

There's been no source posted for Fassbender denying likeness rights, it's an assumption. For all we know Hot Toys never bothered to even try to acquire them.

And If Fassbender did deny any merchandise be made of him that's one actor for one character, X-Men has tons and they won't all refuse.

Hot Toys has by choice likely not acquired likeness rights of any of the myriad of others actors and has released only Wolverine so other companies have taken the initiative to fill the demand, unlicensed of course as Hot Toys has the license held hostage.

So it's pretty much that Hot Toys has the license but is choosing not to acquire likeness rights to use said license to make products.
Other companies can't make figures even if they acquired the actors likeness rights as they can't get the license since Hot Toys have it.

the above quote Howard says they need to get ALL the actors likeness rights. That's not rumor. Another company singled out one specific actor (Jennifer Lawrence)...even though that isn't the same actor it supports the argument. The fact that there are ZERO figures or statues (licensed) with those actors likeness from this film series also supports the argument.

You can dislike the situation as much as you want. But right now the only argument that is made up and has zero basis in reality is the one that your using. Sorry. But there is nothing to support it. And multiple things to support what I said.

And again-

HKFC: 2012 Anicom Fair revealed Xmen Professor Xavier but since then there aren't any updates, care to share?
Howard: I believed most of you have seen the prototype and the movie licencor approved too. However later stage the movie studio told us we need to acquire every actors' head sculpts licensing approval by ourselves, hence the delay. Xmen movie license is quite tedious, as mentioned we need to talk to each actors and some of them has given the green light, so we are still in planning stage who to produce first.

 

[WhoaItsJBot]

I wonder who all gave the go ahead for figures. As evidenced by Batman and Iron Man, HT isn't afraid to return to past movies. Maybe there's still a chance for an official Xavier and Magneto someday.

 

[Motuxmen]

Howard and JC are the two who have the final say on figures. But there's about a dozen people in the company that nominate figures for production. Then they look at the numbers and costs to produce and go from there.

Right now those figures are still off the table, from those first two films. (As far as I am aware..have not asked in aWhile if they managed to get deals done) As they still don't have likeness rights. But going forward fox has promised to include those into contracts (like most others normally do) as part of the tv rights deal fox struck with marvel recently. So for Apocolypse it's possible to get Mags and Prof X. And if so, and the figures look good and make money, those actors could soften their stance on past figures.

 

[Uncanny Web-Slinger]

the above quote Howard says they need to get ALL the actors likeness rights.

No the quote says the "need to acquire every actors head sculpts licensing approval by ourselves,"

Notice the "by ourselves" part, which of course means the studio didn't do it. Saying the "every actor" part means no actors likeness came with the license NOT that every single actor is required in order to make any figures whatsoever.

They don't need every actor to agree to permit their likeness so they could make a figure of Beast. They'd only need the likeness rights of Nicholas Hoult for that.

Another company singled out one specific actor (Jennifer Lawrence)...even though that isn't the same actor it supports the argument. The fact that there are ZERO figures or statues (licensed) with those actors likeness from this film series also supports the argument.

It supports the argument of that actor and only that actor refusing likeness. If you're implying that because she withheld her likeness that it transcends to every actor doing so or that since there's none from Hot Toys other than wolverine because they can't get the actors approval then Howard proves that incorrect as he says they've got some actors likeness rights.

Here's Howard's quote.

Howard: I believe most of you have seen the prototype and the movie licencor approved too. [1]However, at a later stage the movie studio told us we would now need to acquire every actors head sculpts licensing approval by ourselves, [2]hence the delay. The Xmen movie license is quite tedious, and as mentioned before, [3]we need to talk to each actor. Some of them have given us the green light, so we are currently still in the planning stage of who to produce first

[1] They assumed they had Mcavoys likeness rights when they made the prototype of Xavier but then learned they didn't, hence the figure couldn't be released.

However they don't state they haven't since approached him, so Mcavoys position regarding likeness rights is unknown. They could've since gotten his approval and he could be the ones they have the rights of (mentioned below)

Basically what I'm saying is just because they couldn't release the Xavier figure then doesn't mean it's not still possible.

[2]Howard said delay not cancellation. Delay implies still possible. If it wasn't possible why would he say delay and not say that it wasn't possible to do anything from the IP? That proves they if they can get and actor likeness they can make a figure.

[3] "Some of them have given us the green light"

They've acquired some actors likeness rights, so they can make figures of them anytime they want but It seems they're negotiating with each actor then sitting on the ones they accumulate while they go after another and another. Basically getting as many as they can before making any figures.

The "delay" comment seemingly confirms this is the approach as they have approval for some but are delaying until they get more.

Another approach, which would be faster for fans, would be for them to make figures once getting the likeness rights from an actor then negotiate with the next actor on their list. In that approach they'd make figures as they get the rights and not after they accumulate several.

If they had gone with the latter we'd have gotten figures of the characters whose actor likeness rights they do have (as referenced by chan above), but they've gone with the former approach and are taking their sweet time to accumulate the amount of likeness rights desired before starting

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With that quote from Chan it's confirmed that:

• They have several actors likeness rights so can make figures of them if they want. Since he said "approval" that could mean they approved actual sculpts 4 years ago (HKFC 2012)
• They most likely decided to accumulate as many actors permission as possible before making any, hence why we haven't gotten any as they're either still acquiring them or have given up
• The Xavier figure couldn't be released then but could be released if they get Mcavoys approval
• If an actor declines it doesn't affect other figures of other characters being able to be made