Undying Carcass - The Dead Premium Format

[RoboDad]

I do remember that happening before, but I don't recall which piece(s), or which line(s). But if it does happen, it will pretty much guarantee the demise of the Dead PF line.

 

[furystorm]

Come on Robo, stop being a pessimist. I want at least one more figure in this line. A triptych would make a nice display...

 

[RoboDad]

Sorry. If it helps, I REALLY hope I am "dead" wrong.

 

[ChrisCJ99]

To be honest, I was totally expecting to see the ES of the UC be mch higher than the PZ. Obviously because the PZ got a good response from the audience, so i'm sure they thought the UC would do just fine (and I'm sure it will). I personally wouldve preferred a BIT smaller of an ES, but it's ok still a great piece

 

[The Josh]

Since when did 400 become a large ES? Thats pretty damn low isnt it?

 

[RoboDad]

There is no universal quantifier for what makes an ES "high" or "low".

It all depends on the line, and the format. A 400 ES for a SW 12" figure would be so low that it would cause riots in the streets. But a 400 ES for a PF figure, from a line that also has 12" figures, some of which take months to sell out (with edition sizes in the 750 range), seems kind of on the high side to me.

 

[thenammagazine]

This is great news.. cause if this fails and is on Second chance... maybe they'll stick to 1/6th Dead!

There is no universal quantifier for what makes an ES "high" or "low".

It all depends on the line, and the format. A 400 ES for a SW 12" figure would be so low that it would cause riots in the streets. But a 400 ES for a PF figure, from a line that also has 12" figures, some of which take months to sell out (with edition sizes in the 750 range), seems kind of on the high side to me.

I agree. You can't say "400 is low!" without taking into account the edition sizes of products in that particular license as well as the buying habits of it's customers.

 

[hydrobud]

Too bad the "international" didn't have the exclusive item!

SS would have never heard the end of that s-storm!

But I just had a thought. If they do and international on UC, and change the patient gown he's wearing, that might entice me to search for one. I don't favor the dotted gown UC has on.

But don't ask me to display him naked. That's not going to happen.

id display him naked if he had a rotted schlong

 

[The Josh]

There is no universal quantifier for what makes an ES "high" or "low".

It all depends on the line, and the format. A 400 ES for a SW 12" figure would be so low that it would cause riots in the streets. But a 400 ES for a PF figure, from a line that also has 12" figures, some of which take months to sell out (with edition sizes in the 750 range), seems kind of on the high side to me.

I disagree that you can't put a # on whats high or low. I really think there is a safe number where you can say this is a high ES and a low.

I think with a line like The Dead 400 can be considered low. Yes, there are figures from this line in the 1:6th scale line but those are different animals, and honestly the 1:6th scale line has slowed cause of variants.

 

[RoboDad]

Then we'll just have to agree to disagree.

I don't see how anyone can say that one standard of measurement can be applied to all lines of products for determining a reasonable ES. Not all lines have the same number of potential customers, or customers willing to spend the same amount of money on their collections.

 

[lcummins]

I think I have to disagree with most of you... a low edition size doesn't need to be "qualified" by the line or anything else... low is low. What matters is the "demand" for that edition size. For example, the Vampyre 1:1 SSE Bust was a very low edition size of 100 and I don't think anyone can argue that 100 is a low edition size, but it lingered for months because there was no demand. In 10 or 20 years, collectors looking for it will decry the "low edition size" of only 100. What will change? Nothing about the edition size, only the demand.

 

[Something Sexy]

Then we'll just have to agree to disagree.

I don't see how anyone can say that one standard of measurement can be applied to all lines of products for determining a reasonable ES. Not all lines have the same number of potential customers, or customers willing to spend the same amount of money on their collections.

I agree with you Robo.

 

[The Josh]

I think I have to disagree with most of you... a low edition size doesn't need to be "qualified" by the line or anything else... low is low. What matters is the "demand" for that edition size. For example, the Vampyre 1:1 SSE Bust was a very low edition size of 100 and I don't think anyone can argue that 100 is a low edition size, but it lingered for months because there was no demand. In 10 or 20 years, collectors looking for it will decry the "low edition size" of only 100. What will change? Nothing about the edition size, only the demand.

Thats what I'm saying. I think. For me something like 5k is a pretty high # for an ES while something like 400 is fairly low.

 

[RoboDad]

I think I have to disagree with most of you... a low edition size doesn't need to be "qualified" by the line or anything else... low is low. What matters is the "demand" for that edition size. For example, the Vampyre 1:1 SSE Bust was a very low edition size of 100 and I don't think anyone can argue that 100 is a low edition size, but it lingered for months because there was no demand. In 10 or 20 years, collectors looking for it will decry the "low edition size" of only 100. What will change? Nothing about the edition size, only the demand.

That's true, Lonnie, but I think that there is a fundamental difference between secondary market demand and initial retail demand. In the secondary market, the original ES is largely irrelevant. All that matters is how many are available, versus how many people are trying to acquire one. If the original ES for a piece was 10000, but only 2 are available in the secondary market, and there are 5 people who want to buy one, then the "ES" at that time is lower than the demand.

Besides, we are really discussing this from the perspective of what it means for the future of the line. And the only thing that really affects that is the success of retail sales, not the secondary market.

 

[lcummins]

I'll agree that there is a perception of low and high edition size based on demand, but I tend to be a very "literal" person... which does lead to trouble sometimes...

 

[RoboDad]

For the most part I am too . I guess I'm just fretting over what this ES portends for the Dead line. Too many times we've seen lines of products die because Sideshow overestimated retail demand, and they were stuck with "peg warmers". I want this line to continue, and I don't want to see history repeat itself.

 

[LOTRFan]

400 is too high, I agree; but a 12 min sellout certainly was an indicator that this wasn't going to be any less than 250-300.

 

[hoodonit00]

I would love to have this piece but can't bring myself to spend that much on a collectible.

 

[thenammagazine]

For the most part I am too . I guess I'm just fretting over what this ES portends for the Dead line. Too many times we've seen lines of products die because Sideshow overestimated retail demand, and they were stuck with "peg warmers". I want this line to continue, and I don't want to see history repeat itself.

It would be a different story entirely if Sideshow didn't blame us for lack of sales.

 

[fuzzylojiks]

I think they overcompensated the demand for the 400 ES. That's really high. Good piece but have to cancel as funds would be better served elsewhere.