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Please tell me you are joking. :lol

Nope, I'm afraid I'm not. I'm more interested in fact than theory. Unfortunately, for too many scientists out there the opposite appears to be true. Just a suggestion, but you might want to spend more time "testing' what scientists tell you, and less time blindly believing them.
 
You're free to believe what you choose.

Anyway, has anyone else heard a more specific release date for this piece? All we've got so far is Q3 2010.
 
Paging Scar, Scar please come to the Velociraptor thread.

I doubt we'll have anything more definite until it gets close to shipping.
 
Nah, Scar's sharp enough to spot trolls.

I can't believe we have to wait another few months for a Spinosaurus announcement. Geh. Maybe they'll post a preview in the new Prehistoric Times. That would be awesome.
 
Nah, Scar's sharp enough to spot trolls.

I can't believe we have to wait another few months for a Spinosaurus announcement. Geh. Maybe they'll post a preview in the new Prehistoric Times. That would be awesome.

Yeah, but I'd still like to hear all the evidence. Not that I doubt, but like I said, I know alot of people are going to be thrown off by it.
 
Nah, Scar's sharp enough to spot trolls.

I can't believe we have to wait another few months for a Spinosaurus announcement. Geh. Maybe they'll post a preview in the new Prehistoric Times. That would be awesome.

But is he sharp enough to spot a pompous, elitist, snob? :confused: You know, the type that think they are always right and resort to denigrating other's who disagree with them. Those scientists and wannabes alike who seem to have completely overrun the scientific community with their particular brand of intolerance......sound familiar? :rolleyes: Just so you know, I don't believe in the tooth fairy or the science [and I use that term loosely] behind Al "the debate is over" Gore's global warming scam video either.....sue me! :lol
 
Honestly I don't mind the " look " of the Velociraptor so much as the posing of it... I've thouhgt a lot about this, the scene has been done a couple of other times in the past..some better some worse. Maybe if it had 2 raptors in it..this one getting tackled and the other near the back in attack pose or something..though that would raised raised the cost I'm sure. Kind of like with the Allo VS piece..if it had just been the female on the Camara's back I wouldn't have liked it nearly as much..another animal free running gives a better look. In the Trike VS Rex piece the ramming pose worked really well. It just doesn't seem to work as well in this one...maybe the Proto could have been half tipped to one side with the thrashing raptor under it, digging in it's claws...maybe that's another thing that really bugs me..raptors..dromeosaurs in general are icons for those killing claws..but somehow they aren't being used here at all...and I'm just not getting that same sense of action that's in the other pieces either. Basing it on the fighting fossil we have is fine, but picking your moment in the battle that occured is key I think. The two animals are icons of paleontology much like Triceratops and T-Rex, I'm just not seeing the power and ferocity of both animals shown here...maybe I'm missing the point. It does make sense according to the story line, this raptor isn't very intelligent to start with, but the stories are wrote after the piece is made I believe. So this piece made the writer think the raptor wasn't so smart and/or disabled ? Maybe I don't want to think that when looking at it..I don't know...I prefer both animals, in the prime of life, both capable, struggling to live in the harsh world they exist..which in the end proves it can be all the harsher by taking down both..nature is the ultimate winner no matter how a fight turns out. Lines on a small potato you know ?

Forgive me for going on so, I just felt something was off and I'm trying to work it out..which seems to work well when typing.
 
Honestly I don't mind the " look " of the Velociraptor so much as the posing of it... I've thouhgt a lot about this, the scene has been done a couple of other times in the past..some better some worse. Maybe if it had 2 raptors in it..this one getting tackled and the other near the back in attack pose or something..though that would raised raised the cost I'm sure. Kind of like with the Allo VS piece..if it had just been the female on the Camara's back I wouldn't have liked it nearly as much..another animal free running gives a better look. In the Trike VS Rex piece the ramming pose worked really well. It just doesn't seem to work as well in this one...maybe the Proto could have been half tipped to one side with the thrashing raptor under it, digging in it's claws...maybe that's another thing that really bugs me..raptors..dromeosaurs in general are icons for those killing claws..but somehow they aren't being used here at all...and I'm just not getting that same sense of action that's in the other pieces either. Basing it on the fighting fossil we have is fine, but picking your moment in the battle that occured is key I think. The two animals are icons of paleontology much like Triceratops and T-Rex, I'm just not seeing the power and ferocity of both animals shown here...maybe I'm missing the point. It does make sense according to the story line, this raptor isn't very intelligent to start with, but the stories are wrote after the piece is made I believe. So this piece made the writer think the raptor wasn't so smart and/or disabled ? Maybe I don't want to think that when looking at it..I don't know...I prefer both animals, in the prime of life, both capable, struggling to live in the harsh world they exist..which in the end proves it can be all the harsher by taking down both..nature is the ultimate winner no matter how a fight turns out. Lines on a small potato you know ?

Forgive me for going on so, I just felt something was off and I'm trying to work it out..which seems to work well when typing.

I agree with you, it did not strike me either, like the others.
 
I agree with you, it did not strike me either, like the others.

I know, I can't just place why..the detailing is superb, the paint is great, the animals look correct..it just has to be the pose. When looking at all the other Dinosauria pieces your eye wanders all over, finding action and detail...with this one you look at the heads and that's about it. There is only one way to really see it..the angle I posted before...so maybe that's a big part of it. I can rotate all the current pieces I have sitting here and they look impressive from all sorts of ways..maybe this one adheared so much to fossil that it lost that bit of style all the others have. I just can't connect to this one for some reason..I saw the Dinamation animatronic version of this scene and like it so much I went home and turned half my room into the exact same scene made out of cardboard.. heh heh I'll buy it, I'm commited to this line unless they start dishing out prehistoric mammals ( sorry ! ).

I will also jump on the bandwagon and hope we get a maquette of some species of dromeosaur...hopefully one that is more intelligent.. ;) :lol
 
I suspect we'll see marine reptiles before prehistoric mammals, at least based on current popularity trends. I'm stoked to see what they come up with.
 
Paging Scar, Scar please come to the Velociraptor thread.

I doubt we'll have anything more definite until it gets close to shipping.

Here. Sorry for my absence. I've had a lot going on in my personal life on a number of levels has kept my attention rather preoccupied at the moment. I've been skulking about whenever I have time, but it's been difficult to pop in for my typical more long-winded commentary. :D

Being the proud owner of every Dinosauria product to date I have to say I'm extremely disappointed in this dio. Sure, it may be an accurate representation [or at least accurate in the sense of the positioning of the two dinosaurs] of the two dino's engaged in battle, but it's not a composition I find appealling at all. And let's just say the feathered raptor isn't exactly working for me......:(

A feathered dromaeosaur isn't working for you? Mind if I ask why? I realize it doesn't look like the typical part of the scaly assassins we most commonly associate with theropods, but it's to the letter of scientific accuracy and would have been extremely negligent for them not to have depicted V.mongoliensis with feathers. We have a glut of evidence that dromaeosaurs and their kin were at least partially feathered. Amid dromaeosaur skeletons, particularly smaller organisms, we have demonstrable proof of proto-feathers and feathers alike. It's not a matter of believing what someone else tells you, its a matter of seeing it with your own two eyes and recognizing it for what it is. Not only the feathers and proto-feathers are proof to the point, but also the insoluble salts and amino acid compounds associated with pigmentation which is now allowing us to not only recognize the existence of feathers in said organisms, but to deduce their coloration as well. We've known the feathers to be there for some time, and now we're beginning to flesh out more definitively what they would have looked like when these creatures were alive. It's staggeringly cool stuff for we paleo-freaks to start to better determine what dinosaurs looked like when living.

But is he sharp enough to spot a pompous, elitist, snob? :confused: You know, the type that think they are always right and resort to denigrating other's who disagree with them. Those scientists and wannabes alike who seem to have completely overrun the scientific community with their particular brand of intolerance......sound familiar? :rolleyes: Just so you know, I don't believe in the tooth fairy or the science [and I use that term loosely] behind Al "the debate is over" Gore's global warming scam video either.....sue me! :lol


But isn't that just what you're doing by disparaging such people? No need for name-calling. It's just debate. Though I will say a person is usually identified as a "snob" if an individual believes said person to think him or herself to be better than others in some capacity; therefore calling someone a snob is an effort to make that person in question look badly and the individual doing the name-calling look comparatively better in the castigation. It's always seemed a bit disingenuous and circular to me. Can't call someone a "snob" without looking like a "snob" yourself. Just a thought. No offense intended. But pigeon-holing people as myopic, intolerant, lofty, and ultimately untrustworthy is a aspersive practice. :peace

Those who dominate the scientific community should be scientists. If not, then we went wrong somewhere. :lol It's the nature of academia that scientists rigorously cross-check the hypotheses and theories put forth by their fellow scientists. It's not barbarous or malicious, it's intended to make sure that what is being put forth is in fact sound and can lead to new and accurate realizations. Otherwise it's just moot and a waste of everyone's time. The scientist him or herself will obviously have a bias as to whether or not he or she finds the results of his or her own study to be cogent. Therefore they need their colleagues to put their feet to the fire for progress to be made. Not trying to change your mind, not trying to quibble, but just let's be civil and wait for each party to put forth their own point of view before we start name-calling. :peace


I like the diorama a great deal. The pose doesn't have to be capturing exactly as these two animals were when they died, otherwise they may well have made it into a wall plaque as the Velociraptor would hardly have been visible. To have them in these dynamic positions which really only rotates the position of the Velociraptor is fine. Granted it's unconventional to have the Velociraptor depicted as the "bungler" in the pack, and I would personally like another dromaeosaur in maquette form with a backstory better evincing its intelligence and ferocity.
 
Thanks for all the info Scar, I'm going to keep all that in mind should I get this dio and people get confused by the "bird".
 
Not a problem. I don't understand how some people think just because a dino is feathered would make it less imposing. Species of volant raptors today have adapted talons to dispatch prey by crushing to asphyxiate, impale, or simply pin down and hold while the beak is used to disembowel. Check out the poem "Hawk Roosting" by Ted Hughes. A personal favorite. :D
 
What do you think of the color choice for the plumage? It seems like they were trying to be fairly conservative by avoiding the vibrant colors many paleoartists have used. Or maybe, once again, I'm just hoping they'll do something more flamboyant for a change; these smaller critters would have presented a more feasible canvas for color.
 
What do you think of the color choice for the plumage? It seems like they were trying to be fairly conservative by avoiding the vibrant colors many paleoartists have used. Or maybe, once again, I'm just hoping they'll do something more flamboyant for a change; these smaller critters would have presented a more feasible canvas for color.

My take was that the drab coloration was a reflection of the Velociraptor's gender. Males are typically the more vibrant sex when there's a sexually dimorphic color disparity. I would actually have probably been confused if the story depicted a male, or a female and was colored vibrantly.
 
True. What about the bull ceratopsid? Could have worked some color into the frill, particularly since it was during mating season.
 
Didn't you guys say that the stegosaurus will be a good chance to get some color? That'd be really cool.
 
It's mostly wishful thinking at this point. I might need to face facts, and accept that the flashy dinosaurs of the nineties are behind us. :lol
 
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