WATCHMEN Movie Discussion (SPOILERS allowed)!

[HdoubleD]

Welcome to the internet. That is the whole purpose of Facebook, Myspace, whatever. Their whole existence is to destroy relationships, especially girls. Seen it happen too many times.

I don't even bother with them, there's no point.

Agreed. Stuff like that only destroys social progress, at the same time contributing to nothing but wasted hours and damaged vision. I do think people are noticing this trend and it is slowly dying out, atleast from what i see from my immediate group of friends and family.

Also, Ive gained a new respect the actor who played Hollis Mason, all due to his performance in "Under the Hood". He really didnt get all the screen time i think he deserved in the theatrical cut. As we know we will be getting Nite Owls death scenes in the DC, after watching "under the hood", its prolly the part im most looking foward to.

 

[Scar]

Loved Tales of the Black Freighter and Under the Hood. Both played superbly, and Under the Hood may well be something I would recommend to people who have not yet seen the film. Black Freighter was just awesome; loved the twisted take on Cast Away with the main character carrying the corpse of his friend Ridley to accompany him back to Davidstown in a Wilson-like manner (eventually he carries just the head, and I couldn't help but make volleyball comparisons). Ridley speaking to the captain as he slowly goes mad was an interesting take, and it allowed the story to translate well as a movie since there's now interchange between characters, which actually managed not to dilute the feeling of isolation achieved in the book as it really is the story of one man losing his soul in his noble quest to save lives. The noteworthy homage to the main film with the Rorschach blot blood stain on the raft's sail was also awesome.

The one moment when I laughed out loud was when Ridley's corpse bows his head and sadly vomits crabs. Brilliant additions to the movie; I'm thrilled we have these two to accompany Watchmen.

 

[HdoubleD]

Loved Tales of the Black Freighter and Under the Hood. Both played superbly, and Under the Hood may well be something I would recommend to people who have not yet seen the film. Black Freighter was just awesome; loved the twisted take on Cast Away with the main character carrying the corpse of his friend Ridley to accompany him back to Davidstown in a Wilson-like manner (eventually he carries just the head, and I couldn't help but make volleyball comparisons). Ridley speaking to the captain as he slowly goes mad was an interesting take, and it allowed the story to translate well as a movie since there's now interchange between characters, which actually managed not to dilute the feeling of isolation achieved in the book as it really is the story of one man losing his soul in his noble quest to save lives. The noteworthy homage to the main film with the Rorschach blot blood stain on the raft's sail was also awesome.

The one moment when I laughed out loud was when Ridley's corpse bows his head and sadly vomits crabs. Brilliant additions to the movie; I'm thrilled we have these two to accompany Watchmen.

Interestingly enough, I couldnt stop thinking of the Family guy gag when Peter is stranded and he keeps yelling "WILSON, WILSON, WILSON!!!!!!!!!!!!!" until the volleyball eventually replies "My name is Void *******"

 

[Cloud]

Ha! I am no stranger to the internet. But this girl is someone I've known for over four years. We are very close. She lives in Ontario and I live in Oregon but I've visited her many times and she was making plans to visit me this year. I doubt this will ruin our relationship, but it certainly hurt it.

The greater good argument... Well, when I saw the movie for the first time, I agreed with Ozy and Doc. But after I thought about it it occurred to me; nobody has the right to make that kind of sacrifice for world peace. This must be a theme in Alan Moore's work, because in V for Vendetta it was the government that caused horrible catastrophes in order to unite the masses and instill a deep-rooted fear. But no matter how you paint it, you can never, ever get around the fact that Ozymandias killed millions of innocent people. It's not certain that a nuclear war would have started. In the film at least, Jon was sensing Veidt's explosion, not nuclear warheads.

 

[wofford29]

George W. = Ozy ?

 

[Entropy]

George W. = world's smartest man?

 

[IrishJedi]

And Barney is clearly no Bubastis.

 

[wofford29]

George W. = world's smartest man?

But they both had a similar plan?

 

[IrishJedi]

But they both had a similar plan?

Teemu? Is that you?

 

[wofford29]

Teemu? Is that you?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teemu_Selänne

???

 

[The Entity]

Just saw Watchmen for the second time this afternoon.

I was the only person in the theatre, pretty cool actually.

No annoying people to disturb me with their cell phones, or who started giggling and shouting "funny" remarks about a naked Dr. Manhattan.

 

[Dusty]

Oy, I got sucked in again!

The funny thing is, the story doesn't boil down to the 'greater good' argument that most people are arguing over. It boils down to - it just doesn't matter. No matter what is or isn't done for the 'greater good' and how it helps in the short term, it doesn't help in the long-term because human beings will always ^^^^ it up. Rorschach's journal will ^^^^ it up this time, next time it will be something else.

I think that's what bothers some people about the story and why it will NEVER be a mainstream hit, no matter how the film is executed... unless you change the ending COMPLETELY, it's just way too depressing for most people. People don't want to realize that it just doesn't matter that millions of innocent people died for no reason whatsoever. History will repeat itself over and over and over (look at Darfur, religious wars, etc), and there's nothing we can do to stop it. Each side wants to think that THEY have the answer, but THERE IS NO ANSWER. We like to think that what we do matters on a grand scale, and most people don't like it when stories point out the opposite.

Personally, I love the story (but not the movie). It makes me want to live my life to the fullest in the PRESENT because anything can happen at any time and I have no real control over any of it. It also has always made me want to volunteer my time cleaning up the streets, reading to kids, and building homes for the homeless... I don't know why! Maybe it's because...if I can't change anything on a grand scale, at least I can make some peoples' lives better while we're still here!

"I can change almost anything, but I can't change human nature." Dr. M is the smartest man in the world, not Ozy.

 

[DinoLast]

I don't think Rorschach's journal would make a blind bit of difference, even if it's printed.
He did not find out the whole story until after he posted it.

 

[IrishJedi]

Huh? It's meant to be ambiguous (in the book AND the movie) whether Seymour will even choose Rorschach's journal.

 

[Dusty]

Huh? It's meant to be ambiguous (in the book AND the movie) whether Seymour will even choose Rorschach's journal.

You think a guy like Seymour is NOT going to publish that???! He seems to be set up throughout to be looking for a way to enhance himself in the eyes of his boss, and it's like printing money for a newspaper to have exclusivity to something like that. Of course he will choose to publish it! Human nature, remember? Just because millions of people died, doesn't change human nature. That line is the most important in the whole dang thing, and I can't even remember if it's in the book

Plus, the 'Doomsday' clock in the book hits midnight right after that depressing quote about a stronger loving world to die in and the blood runs down....

And, even if, for some strange reason, Seymour didn't publish it - you don't think that the world will just be fighting over something else in a couple more years? Peace built on a lie like that is only tenuous at best.

 

[IrishJedi]

Perhaps. But, regardless, none of that changes the fact that Veidt tricked the world into preventing nuclear armageddon with his plot. Whether the world will be back in that same place soon is up for debate. The affect of his plan is not. In the WATCHMEN universe, humanity was about to be wiped out, but his ghastly plan of killing a few million stopped it. So, at worst, he's reset the Doomsday Clock. At best, he's saved humanity... by killing millions of innocents with a practical joke. And if it's exposed, it would undo everything. That's the moral checkmate. It's supposed to be nigh impossible to choose a side there.

 

[Dusty]

Perhaps. But, regardless, none of that changes the fact that Veidt tricked the world into preventing nuclear armageddon with his plot. Whether the world will be back in that same place soon is up for debate. The affect of his plan is not. In the WATCHMEN universe, humanity was about to be wiped out, but his ghastly plan of killing a few million stopped it. So, at worst, he's reset the Doomsday Clock. At best, he's saved humanity... by killing millions of innocents with a practical joke. That's the moral checkmate. It's supposed to be nigh impossible to choose a side there.

Yeah I get that, which is why it's depressing - nothing really changes the fact that millions of people die one way or the other. But I don't like how they changed the ending in the movie to be a bit more optimistic than it really is. Dr. M leaving because he wants to help save the world is silly and devalues his character a bit, in my eyes. That's not why he leaves. He leaves because he knows it's worthless for him to even try to dabble in the ways of man - we will end up destroying ourselves one way or another. Making him the smartest man in the world

 

[IrishJedi]

But Dr. Manhattan is not a man.

 

[Kuzeh]

Dusty, I think you nailed it,
and that's exactly why I liked it...
There's no hope... now, enjoy your life!

 

[Dusty]

Dusty, I think you nailed it,
and that's exactly why I liked it...
There's no hope... now, enjoy your life!

Well, it just teaches us that we have to enjoy what we have at the present and hold out hope that maybe one day we will all wake up and see the error of our ways The best we can hope for is that the world doesn't end tomorrow... *hopefully* we can keep putting it off indefinitely