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Did you read the book?

must everybody who didn't like the movie read the book first?

I haven't read the book, but I've read in lots of reviews that if the director wanted to bring the book as accurate as possible to the screen (wich he has done it seems) it would make a rather bummer for people who expected a high pased action flick..
With those facts in mind I can understand your question.

So this is no movie for the general movie-going public? (= without knowledge about the comic) because chances are high they will be disappointed..?
 
I've read the book and really enjoyed the film, I do think like the book it'll be a case you can only appreciate the film after repeated viewings picking up all those little details second and third time round. Plus when it's out on Blu-Ray where you can skip back and forth and pause to pick up all those little details I think the movie will come into its own.

Even Alan Moore said that book was designed to only be fully understood after multiple readings. Has anyone seen it more than once yet ?
 
I saw the movie last night and really enjoyed it. I wish I could say the same for my experience because the movie stopped 3 or 4 times while it played. At least they gave us free passes to come back.
 
I'm seeing it again tonight Nocturne.

I agree, I only truly appreciated the book on my second or even third read. After my first read it was like, 'what's the big deal?'.
 
Just re-watching the intro from the special effects reel I'm noticing things, even though they're only minor, the scene with Ozymandias outside Studio 54 on the left side of the screen is a Ziggy Stardust era David Bowie.
 
Just re-watching the intro from the special effects reel I'm noticing things, even though they're only minor, the scene with Ozymandias outside Studio 54 on the left side of the screen is a Ziggy Stardust era David Bowie.

The Village People are also there.
 
I forgot to mention. I saw the movie on Saturday at noon and the theatre had (approximately) 25-30 people in the theatre and a couple (who I'd guess were in their 40's) left mid-way through as obviously the movie was not what they had expected to see.

I think maybe people came to this expecting an Iron-Man type superhero movie and the general public who are unexposed to the source material are maybe not going to have a good reaction--overall.

Has anyone heard of possible projections for the weekend's gross?
 
Just re-watching the intro from the special effects reel I'm noticing things, even though they're only minor, the scene with Ozymandias outside Studio 54 on the left side of the screen is a Ziggy Stardust era David Bowie.

Bowie is also standing next to Mick Jagger in the shot. I found it kind of funny that on one side of Ozy is Bowie and Jagger and on the other side are the Village People. Once he is done getting his picture taken the first side Ozy goes to is Bowie and Jagger.
I loved this movie and have read the book 4 times so far. I found the more I read it the more I digested the Watchmen. I believe this film is the closest thing to the book you can get without just putting pages from the book onscreen and having the mouths replaced Clutch Cargo style.
I think Zack Snyder got the book and his take on things was the most logical for a film. I am sure he fought the studio execs on a daily basis for a multitude of aspects of this film.
He created the world of the Watchmen with such detail that I think it was on the level to the detail Peter Jackson and Fran Walsh did for Lord of the Rings Trilogy. Best example - Comedian's guns having the the imprint that they were presented to him by Richard Nixon. Something the naked eye would only see if you looked really hard to see it. Did Snyder need to do that considering we weren't really gonna see the hilt of Comedian's guns? No, but that is the attention to detail that demands my appreciation of the craft.
Did anyone notice that young Rorschach was portrayed by the same child actor who played young King Leonidas in 300? I am going to need to view this movie again and again just to see what other Easter eggs are in Snyder's Watchmen. I only wish I had a DVD remote to pause and slow mo' some parts of the film.
 
I forgot to mention. I saw the movie on Saturday at noon and the theatre had (approximately) 25-30 people in the theatre and a couple (who I'd guess were in their 40's) left mid-way through as obviously the movie was not what they had expected to see.

I think maybe people came to this expecting an Iron-Man type superhero movie and the general public who are unexposed to the source material are maybe not going to have a good reaction--overall.

Has anyone heard of possible projections for the weekend's gross?

I read that it has made 50 million so far.
 
The Village People are also there.

In all fairness they did stick out like a sore thumb though :lol

Is one of the things I really liked, they had all these lovely touches but they didn't beat you over the head in a "ooh aren't we clever for putting this in" way.

They've let people discover it on their own, which will foster a greater appreciation as it goes on I imagine. Creating a fully immersive self contained world like Jackson did with LotR and Lucas with Star Wars, even though it's a take on our own it's an impressive feat to do that in a 2 1/2 hour movie.

piccolodaimaoh I didn't realise it was the same child from 300, it's Zack Snyder's son isn't it ?

Makes you wonder if the other directors had as much respect and love for Alan Moore's stories if he wouldn't be so anti-hollywood as he is today.

Has anyone found anything about Dave Gibbon's thoughts on the final picture ?
 
They've let people discover it on their own, which will foster a greater appreciation as it goes on I imagine. Creating a fully immersive self contained world like Jackson did with LotR and Lucas with Star Wars, even though it's a take on our own it's an impressive feat to do that in a 2 1/2 hour movie.

piccolodaimaoh I didn't realise it was the same child from 300, it's Zack Snyder's son isn't it ?

Makes you wonder if the other directors had as much respect and love for Alan Moore's stories if he wouldn't be so anti-hollywood as he is today.

Has anyone found anything about Dave Gibbon's thoughts on the final picture ?

You are correct, sir!
I am with you on the comparisons between what Jackson did with LOTR and what Snyder has done with Watchmen. I love that Snyder is so deep into the source material, not just for Watchmen but what he did on Dawn of the Dead and 300. It seems like he takes this seriously in every aspect and creates a piece of work that makes the audience take it seriously. The details make all difference.
 
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Damn teenagers with their rock music.

That rock & the roll will ruin America!

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As I said above, I'm not sure that Zack Snyder completely gets the book - but he did make a good accompanying piece with this film. I certainly wouldn't call him the Jonas Bros. of cinema, especially with Bay, Eli Roth, McG, Rattner all out there making movies.

I think he's on par with McG and Brett Ratner. And he's got absolutely nothing on Michael Bay as far as lensing a film goes (although they suffer the same weaknesses in terms of character and drama). Actually McG looks like he might have learned a few things about scale judging from the Terminator trailer, whereas Snyder's stuff still looks flat.

regarding the sex scene - the entire premise is based on the joke that Dan can't get it up without the costume.

Right. I just think if he'd intended the actual sex to be funny it would have been shot differently. But he seems incapable of subtext when it comes to sex, almost like he has no choice but to start worshiping the body (hello rape scene). So we get the flamethrower as the "funny" moment and the rest is just unintentionally bad.
 
Makes you wonder if the other directors had as much respect and love for Alan Moore's stories if he wouldn't be so anti-hollywood as he is today.

I doubt it. The kind of thing he complains about were still in Watchmen. He'd probably have a heart attack watching this movie, and that's even before we get to the squid (hello radical new characterization of Laurie and the wholesale negation of Rorshach that comes with it).

A writer is never going to look at the screen during many of these scenes and go, "Cool!" They're going to look at the screen and go, "That doesn't actually make any sense."
 
must everybody who didn't like the movie read the book first?

I haven't read the book, but I've read in lots of reviews that if the director wanted to bring the book as accurate as possible to the screen (wich he has done it seems) it would make a rather bummer for people who expected a high pased action flick..
With those facts in mind I can understand your question.

So this is no movie for the general movie-going public? (= without knowledge about the comic) because chances are high they will be disappointed..?

No no no....he said he expected more from it....and I dont get what that ment. So I woundered what if he read the book.

And my friend said he enjoyed it. Never read the book, nor know's anything. But he thought it was an interesting flick.

Its not an action movie. Its a character drama.
 
I've read the book and really enjoyed the film, I do think like the book it'll be a case you can only appreciate the film after repeated viewings picking up all those little details second and third time round. Plus when it's out on Blu-Ray where you can skip back and forth and pause to pick up all those little details I think the movie will come into its own.

Even Alan Moore said that book was designed to only be fully understood after multiple readings. Has anyone seen it more than once yet ?

Yes. Twice so far. But since I was up all night from the midnight showing, staying up until 8, and through the movie....was kinda hard. :(
 
And people....before you totally give an opinion on the movie, wait for the Directors Cut. The REAL movie. Then we'll see if Snyder got it or not. (Which I think he did. )
 
I think he's on par with McG and Brett Ratner. And he's got absolutely nothing on Michael Bay as far as lensing a film goes (although they suffer the same weaknesses in terms of character and drama). Actually McG looks like he might have learned a few things about scale judging from the Terminator trailer, whereas Snyder's stuff still looks flat.



Right. I just think if he'd intended the actual sex to be funny it would have been shot differently. But he seems incapable of subtext when it comes to sex, almost like he has no choice but to start worshiping the body (hello rape scene). So we get the flamethrower as the "funny" moment and the rest is just unintentionally bad.

OK. We get it. You hated the movie. How many posts are you going to write about the movie and/or director? You hated it, so please do us all a favor and move on.

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Okay, saw it last night... still processing, but *overall* I can confidently say that I really did not like it.

Since I don't want to make anyone TOO angry, I'm gonna try to be nice ;) Let me just start out saying that I'm glad I saw it, and it was interesting to see what they chose to use from the book, what they chose to leave out, and the odd things they chose to add for some strange reason (which, from my view, made it even more difficult to follow for the uninitiated - I've read the book and was still like, "what?" in many scenes).

Also, I think it fails as an adaptation. I think the purpose of an adaptation (or really any film!) is to stand alone without needing the book to clue you in on character motivation, etc. I would compare this Watchmen adaptation to the first couple of Harry Potter films, NOT The Lord of the Rings movies. Those first Harry Potter's were quite uncomfortable... the acting was atrocious, the scenes read like chapters from the book, but the parts they left out just created more questions, if you hadn't read the books. I felt very similar in Watchmen - that was one of the first things I noticed. This movie does not stand alone. One good thing that will hopefully come out of it is that it will maybe make more people want to read the book because they leave this film going "WTF??" Getting more people reading is never a bad thing!

Uncomfortable pretty much sums up this movie for me. From the incredibly bad acting (laughably bad) of most of the characters (it was like they really had NO IDEA how they were supposed to act, so they just read their lines like machines - Crudup was the best out of all of them, probably because he was SUPPOSED to be kind of machine-like), to the really irritating music (which drew me right out of the experience multiple times, plus it made me focus on something other than what the characters were saying, which, in a story with so many twists and turns and details, is not such a good thing to do!... not so bad in a 300 or a Transformers, but not so good when the STORY is key), to the sex scene with not a lot of build-up (*I* know that Dan needs the costume and the action from reading the book and knowing the characters already, but I don't think it was very well explained in the film).

I think that just proves that it shouldn't have been made into a movie in the first place - the language and writing does not translate well, word-for-word, onto the screen. The book is what it is because of the language and the way in which it is laid out - translating that into film ruins the whole process and makes it into a Saturday Morning Cartoon cliché of the story. It's like they couldn't decide whether to make it campy or serious... some scenes were superhero fluff and some could have been quite good and very deep... without the surrounding fluff. (there is no fluff in the book) And there really is WAY TOO MUCH info in the book to translate well - it's almost like a Stephen King adaptation - none of those are really that great because the books are just so much deeper!

And WHY did they change the scene when Rorschach kills the kidnapper??? It was SOOOO much more powerful in the book... it was like a parody in the movie. It's like they went through the book, picked out things that would LOOK cool, then tried to make the story fit around those random scenes, while also changing the scenes a bit, and not always for the better.

Granted, I went into it thinking it shouldn't have been made, but I honestly did give it a fair shot - I love movies!! I just wish more were ORIGINAL and not adaptations of somebody else's work... or sequels... or remakes.

What I did like:

- The visuals were great - really cool to see some stuff right out of the book and it was very crisp.

- The opening credit sequence was by far the best part of the entire film (at least for someone who's read the book - I can see the people who haven't being very confused)

- Veidt was awesome - to me he was the most compelling character in the film (Rorschach's voice was too fake for me to really get into him, although he had some cool scenes) - I wish there had been even more with Veidt, especially showing the gymnastics and stuff, to help explain more to the non-readers.

- The Comedian was also awesome - he was a very compelling character as well, just wish the guy who played him had been a bit better of an actor.

- I think the 'giant blue junk' was very tastefully done... NOT saying I like giant blue junk :lol, but from all the broo-hahaha over it, I was expecting something hilarious, but it was tasteful (though I could see how some immature souls could laugh)

-The Mars stuff was really cool.

- I do think the ending would have been better if they stuck to the alien theme, but I don't think it was THAT big a deal and it was cool to see the explosion.

- It made me think, always a sign that SOMETHING was right (although to be honest, that might be just because I've read the book... I kind of wish I hadn't ever read it so that I could have gone in fresh)

Final notes: please, please, please - somebody stop the overuse of SLO-MO in Hollywood!!! I was dying laughing during the ridiculous slo-mo in the 'let's break Rorschach out of prison' scene... and don't get me started on making everyone superhuman!! The ONLY one with super powers is Jon (although you could argue Veidt as well, with his intelligence and acrobatics and disposable income)... that's kind of the whole point, that they're only human! Rorschach shouldn't be able to scale walls (without the help of his harpoon thing) and leap in CGI fashion, an old and out-of-shape Nite Owl who hasn't even used any of his stuff in YEARS (they took so much time establishing how dusty everything was) shouldn't be able to ... oh forget it.... it's a lost cause.

2 out of 5
 
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I think they should use MORE Slo Mo. I hate fast cutting, cant see crap, that they keep using. I love to be able to SEE the action.
 
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