What movie everybody else loves but you hate?

[devilof76]

Now you're just being silly.

 

[Uncanny Web-Slinger]

Too bad I missed the whole A Clockwork Orange discussion, excellent film, but one thing people seem to miss the point on is that the violence Alex commits is supposed to be disturbing and shocking. It's not a film for the squeamish, and if it made you cringe, or worse, than Kubrick succeeded. You werent supposed to enjoy the violence, it was a commentary on where society was heading.

I think we're there. People, even teenagers, are de-sensitised to extreme violence

 

[devilof76]

I'm not sure how many people are exposed to extreme violence.

That's always bugged me. People don't do violence because they're desensitized; it's because they want to do violence. It's not a matter of, "if they just knew how badly they were hurting others, then they'd stop". They are doing it because they know how much it hurts others, and they like it.

 

[rushmore223]

I'm not sure how many people are exposed to extreme violence.

That's always bugged me. People don't do violence because they're desensitized; it's because they want to do violence. It's not a matter of, "if they just knew how badly they were hurting others, then they'd stop". They are doing it because they know how much it hurts others, and they like it.

I think alot of the violence problem in society comes down to a trait that is becoming much more common, the inability to feel empathy. I dont know if it is something a person is born with, or learned, but too many people just cannot see past their own wants and dont give a damn about their fellow human beings.

I guess if one person out of 1000 exhibits this in a country of 500 miilion, than you end up with 50,000 potential sociopaths.

 

[devilof76]

That completely fails to address motive.

Actions aren't causeless and the absence of inhibition does not explain the desire that requires controlling.

 

[rushmore223]

That completely fails to address motive.

Actions aren't causeless and the absence of inhibition does not explain the desire that requires controlling.

Wasn't trying to address motive, as that can be different in every case. I was mainly speaking about what makes one person capable of horrific acts while the average person is not.

The difference is, the threshold to action for someone who has no regard for human life vs. the average person is going to be much lower, and that person might see certain motivations, such as losing a job, being dumped, Mommy not letting them eat 5 cookies instead of 4 as being ample reason to justify their action.

So, really, I think motivation isnt all that important vs. the capacity for violence.

It's like saying Steve has a short fuse so dont beat him when you play Xbox, vs. why is it that Steve acts this way?

 

[Uncanny Web-Slinger]

Violent media doesn't cause violence, the most brutal and barbaric crimes against humanity occured before there was media.

But things fail to shock anymore, at least fictional things.

Real life extreme violent crimes shock, i guess there's a detatchment knowing something is fictional that makes one feel less shocked by it's nature. Is that de-sensitisation?

 

[devilof76]

No, it's cognizance of the fact that fictional violence isn't real.

Wasn't trying to address motive, as that can be different in every case. I was mainly speaking about what makes one person capable of horrific acts while the average person is not.

The difference is, the threshold to action for someone who has no regard for human life vs. the average person is going to be much lower, and that person might see certain motivations, such as losing a job, being dumped, Mommy not letting them eat 5 cookies instead of 4 as being ample reason to justify their action.

So, really, I think motivation isnt all that important vs. the capacity for violence.

It's like saying Steve has a short fuse so dont beat him when you play Xbox, vs. why is it that Steve acts this way?

The motive to commit violence is the same in every case. Violence is generally useless as a course of action. All it can do is destroy. Losing a job isn't a cause of violence, and violence does not solve the problem. 'Why Steve acts that way' is exactly what saying 'Steve doesn't care if he hurts people' ignores, and as you've shown, regards as superfluous. It's almost as if you consider violence to be the default setting for all people, and explain non-violent behavior as something that only happens when the natural tendency is curbed by empathy.

 

[Kamandi]

I'm going to get so flamed for this, but I just don't give a sh-t about Sin City. I hate the crappy CG car chase, I hate how they shot the whole thing on a green stage, and I don't think it's Frank Miller's best work. I'm not that amazed that Mickey Roorke looks like Marv after you spacle 50 pounds of mackup on his face. It's not the only movie to feature hot chicks kicking ***.

 

[Centurion]

I'm going to get so flamed for this, but I just don't give a sh-t about Sin City. I hate the crappy CG car chase, I hate how they shot the whole thing on a green stage, and I don't think it's Frank Miller's best work. I'm not that amazed that Mickey Roorke looks like Marv after you spacle 50 pounds of mackup on his face. It's not the only movie to feature hot chicks kicking ***.

Nope, you're not the only one.

 

[EVILFACE]

I loved The Hard Goodbye segment of Sin City, the rest was meh.

 

[Adolfo]

Speaking of A Clockwork Orange, I saw an interview tonight that was talking about Kubrick and how he thought he overdid the violence and had it banned in the UK himself! Wow, I was shocked to hear that.

Back in the day I remember it was probrably the most controversial film ever made

 

[devilof76]

Hard to believe it's over 40 years old and still manages to shake people up.

 

[K07]

I'm going to get so flamed for this, but I just don't give a sh-t about Sin City. I hate the crappy CG car chase, I hate how they shot the whole thing on a green stage, and I don't think it's Frank Miller's best work. I'm not that amazed that Mickey Roorke looks like Marv after you spacle 50 pounds of mackup on his face. It's not the only movie to feature hot chicks kicking ***.

I bought it after one viewing because I was blown away the first viewing. I'd never seen anything like it before. But after a second viewing, I realized I don't even like 2/3 of the movie....

 

[rushmore223]

No, it's cognizance of the fact that fictional violence isn't real.



The motive to commit violence is the same in every case. Violence is generally useless as a course of action. All it can do is destroy. Losing a job isn't a cause of violence, and violence does not solve the problem. 'Why Steve acts that way' is exactly what saying 'Steve doesn't care if he hurts people' ignores, and as you've shown, regards as superfluous. It's almost as if you consider violence to be the default setting for all people, and explain non-violent behavior as something that only happens when the natural tendency is curbed by empathy.

I suppose it depends on your beliefs, but I would say that violence is pretty much hardwired into most predatory creatures, especially apex predators, which human beings are. Civilization/society has done a decent job in curbing that aspect of our nature, some more than others.

To say the reason why someone lashes out is the same every time, just isnt true, at least not in the way I am thinking of "motivation".

Anyway, to be completely honest, I could care less what the motivation is for violence. I care more about rooting those people out who are more likely to commit these horrendous acts.

This is a thread about movies right? Almost forgot that.


Pirates of the Caribbean was terrible.

 

[rushmore223]

Hard to believe it's over 40 years old and still manages to shake people up.

True, was thinking that myself.

Could you imagine how shocking it must have been to general audiences when it first came out?

By the time I saw it, it was the mid to late 80's.

 

[devilof76]

I didn't see it until the 90's. I saw it after Natural Born Killers, and similarly themed as they were, the gratuity of the violence in the latter wasn't enough to give it the same poignancy. The Mtv effect was already in full force, and that style of art will never be as powerful as cinema was before the age of the short attention span.

Incidental motives for violence will always vary, but the fundamental motive is always the same. At root, people have the choice to live by reason or force. At the primitive level, humans are not apex predators. We're lunch. Even once we've managed tools and organization, survival is extremely limited as hunter-gatherers. It takes a lot of energy to chase your food, and even more to fend off the competition from other humans which success attracts. The true means of human survival is not violence; it's thought, invention, production, division of labor, trade, etc. Resorting to violence is a confession of failure to live as a human being. It's an attempt to live on the animal level, and we're not designed for it. When force is the currency of the realm, life is hell, and no amount of caring for each other will extricate society from that condition. Empathy is not the motive power of rationality (though it is often an effect).

 

[Adolfo]

True, was thinking that myself.

Could you imagine how shocking it must have been to general audiences when it first came out?

By the time I saw it, it was the mid to late 80's.

I remember those days...yes for some it was tough to handle...a little even for me

 

[Adolfo]

I didn't see it until the 90's. I saw it after Natural Born Killers, and similarly themed as they were, the gratuity of the violence in the latter wasn't enough to give it the same poignancy. The Mtv effect was already in full force, and that style of art will never be as powerful as cinema was before the age of the short attention span.

Incidental motives for violence will always vary, but the fundamental motive is always the same. At root, people have the choice to live by reason or force. At the primitive level, humans are not apex predators. We're lunch. Even once we've managed tools and organization, survival is extremely limited as hunter-gatherers. It takes a lot of energy to chase your food, and even more to fend off the competition from other humans which success attracts. The true means of human survival is not violence; it's thought, invention, production, division of labor, trade, etc. Resorting to violence is a confession of failure to live as a human being. It's an attempt to live on the animal level, and we're not designed for it. When force is the currency of the realm, life is hell, and no amount of caring for each other will extricate society from that condition. Empathy is not the motive power of rationality (though it is often an effect).

Good post...true

 

[tallicafan421]

I really couldn't stand watching Hunger Games. The overall cinematography in that film was just nauseating (the shaky cam was some of the worst I've seen since the first Expendables).

I don't necessarily hate or even totally dislike the following films, but these are some other films everyone seemed to love that I didn't really think were too great:

Inglorious Bastards
I felt like it dragged on from the opening scene, and I just found myself bored and uninterested completely after about a half hour.

Kill Bill Vol. II
Once again, it seemed to drag, especially in comparison to the first part.

The Dark Knight Rises
As a guy who really got psyched over the inclusion of Bane into the Nolan universe, I was totally let down. The plot holes were too abundant to ignore for me this time, and it felt like there were scenes missing at times. Plus, I felt that Bane was handled the wrong way completely, and the ending just made me roll my eyes several times in a row (Main issue for me: Robins real name should not be Robin... that seems very lazy).

Titanic
I never got the appeal. The story of Titanic had been told (and told better) many, many times before. The only twist is that it takes place on the Titanic, which obviously sinks by the end. The three hour length becomes a problem as well. When there gets to be a point where some scenes feel like they either could have been cut down in length or even cut out entirely, its an issue.

Twilight and all of its Sequels
I think there are enough people on this forum who would know... I don't think I even have to explain why I hate these movies.

Prometheus
Where can I possibly start with this? The characters were bland, the story was full of holes, and the overall experience for me was a disappointing one to say the least.

There are others, but these are the ones that come to mind right now.