Which Expanded Universe Luke would you most like to see?

[piccolodaimaoh]

I see this father-son debate in terms of Dragonball Z, if you please.
Goku is full-blooded Saiyan, his son Gohan is half human, half Saiyan. Gohan had greater potential because of the mix of human blood.

Luke had greater potential because of his mixed lineage, plus the fact that the one parent that is responsible for giving Luke his "Jedi powers" was so strong with the Force.

Also, I believe Blade is stronger than most vampires because of the human part of his parentage. That is what makes him such an effective vampire hunter.

I do not know the scientific implications but human blood made them stronger.

 

[The Mike]

I loved Dragonball Z. I remember the detailing about Gohan and his stronger potential because of his half human lineage mixed with Saiyan blood and the fact he reaches Super Saiyan Status at such a young age. The fact of the matter is that even with that potential he never surpasses the Father. Ever. If you follow GT which is a lukewarm sequel at best, he actually roadblocks his progress because of his human affairs and his human connections. He didn't have the Saiyan drive, the fighting thirst. Goku reaches Saiyan 4....Gohan never surpasses 2. A strong potential but one that had its limits.

Luke is sort of the same, amazing potential if you use the same arguments but then Jedis were training solely to be fighters, defenders of the republic. They were trained to have no connections whatsoever to anyone. They were meant to be warriors. Luke is different, his training is incomplete at best. He never completes things the way of the Old Republic, it isn't an option. Luke also follows diplomacy and Luke follows a Neo Jedi line of thinking, he doesn't have the same drive and spirit. His potential would be limited by his care and compassion for his friends and family. Its the weakness that the Emperor spoke of that is holding him back. While most Jedis and even Siths would see his connections as a weakness and a limiting factor. Luke on the other hand sees it as a great thing and further connection to the Force. That is what makes him different and great.

Since I haven't read the EU explanations can anyone enlighten me to what this new power status is and how it is being portrayed?

 

[BrooklynWolf X]

truthfully, i don't really follow the EU much, but from what i've gathered, he has the ability to move small black holes, destroy the engine of a star destroyer, lightsaber skills are UBER.

now that i've mentioned that i don't really follow the EU, it doesn't mean that i don't believe luke becomes god like. he will basically become what anakin COULD'VE become.

also, i don't follow DBGT...solely because the creator akira toriyama wasn't involved. so i'm going with DBZ.

gohan is stronger than goku. granted, goku reached SSJ3 while gohan hasn't, don't forget that gohan's powers as regular Saiyajin toppled goku's SSJ2 form. you can argue that gohan had the potential but didn't reach it...but that's the thing, he HAS the potential and therefore he's stronger than his dad, despite the fact that we didn't have the chance to see his true powers.

remember, i'm not using DBGT. like many SW fans that don't count the EU as canon, i don't consider GT canon to the overall DBZ universe.

to be continued...

 

[BrooklynWolf X]

now, back to SW. just because anakin was injured and needed all this stuff to keep him alive, it doesn't mean he's a **ssy. if you say luke was "anakin 25%"...then that supports me saying luke is badass and WILL become god like. vader with all his mechanical arms and legs, he's still strong as hell. he's not as athletic and flashy like his old self, but if push came to shove, he'll fight and defeat any jedi of the old republic. yes...even dooku. if there was a way of teleporting dooku into the future to fight vader, vader will stomp his ass to the ground. why? cuz he has nothing holding him back...no jedi code. also, i find it hard to believe that "loss limbs"="less force"...that's crap.

you're gonna ask "if vader is so strong, why didn't he destroy the emperor?" well, simple...anakin was all about attachement. once he lost everything, who else was there? sidious. what's the point of killing the one last thing in your life?

ok i think i went off on a tangent here...anyway, haha, my point is, luke, just because he's half human doesn't make him weaker than anakin. i'm gonna use another anime reference...naruto. if the ones close to you are in danger, because of your attachment to them and your love for them...it'll make you powerful. because you have something you want to protect.

case in point: "if you will not turn...perhaps she will". what follows is luke going ape****. he used his emotions, which made him POWERFUL...but what happened after? he didn't turn to the darkside. which means luke has conquered something anakin couldn't.

 

[BrooklynWolf X]

here's another way of looking at it. if luke becoming uber is unrealistic...well, he still should have the title of grand jedi master...only because there's no one else to challenge that status haha.

 

[Seth Gecko]

Vader was more powerful than PT anakin IMO.He had 20 years to work the darkside.His losing parts didn't effect him that much,he had more midi's in his torso than most of the regular PT jedi in their whole body i bet lol.And he had no problem blocking blaster bolts with his mere hand(didn't see any other jedi or sith do that)Yeah lightning but blaster bolts lmao

He toyed with luke in empire and could've easily killed him.ROTJ vader was on his way to the lightside last half of the movie so i dunno.(but luke even if vader toying with him in ep5 still gave his father a good showing with SO LITTLE TRAINING(even with yoda)Luke kicks ass!!all kinds of it!

If luke grew up in the Prequel period he would be a council memeber for sure.

 

[Prime Clone]

Vader was more powerful than PT anakin IMO.He had 20 years to work the darkside.His losing parts didn't effect him that much,he had more midi's in his torso than most of the regular PT jedi in their whole body i bet lol.

Actually The Maker himself has said that Vader's loss of limbs made him less powerful, even going so far as to call him a "cripple", and said that as a result the Emperor wanted Luke to replace him.

 

[BrooklynWolf X]

truthfully, i wouldn't take everything he said as law...for he himself has contradicted himself quite a few times. granted, i used his quote saying that luke becomes more powerful than his father, but despite that, given how flow of the films now that the saga is complete, and luke being the son of the cho-friggin-sen one, i still believe luke can and does become uber.

even though lucas said vader is weaker...agreed, but i think he meant weaker than his potential god like status. he's still powerful nonetheless and if luke were just any plain old jedi, meaning not the son of the cho-friggin-sen one, vader would've destroyed him without breaking a sweat.

 

[Seth Gecko]

Actually The Maker himself has said that Vader's loss of limbs made him less powerful, even going so far as to call him a "cripple", and said that as a result the Emperor wanted Luke to replace him.

Sith always want replacements,(it may have made him weaker but not real weak and certainly more powerful than any PT clone wars jedi)


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