Who do the troops pick

[DarkArtist81]

I hate this thread.... I guess I'm racist towards ignorant people.

 

[IrishJedi]

There are a number of reasons why Military personnel (and their families) are traditionally Republican voters. Josh pointed out one (it's in their personal financial interest). But there are several others. One is definitely that many in the military are more ideologically aligned with conservatives in the first place. Afterall, the Military is not likely to be a bastion of doves and peaceniks is it?

Another... many (not all, but a lot) voluntary military soldiers come from low-income communities and families, and the ones in rural areas are almost always Republican.

 

[DarkArtist81]

There are a number of reasons why Military personnel (and their families) are traditionally Republican voters. Josh pointed out one (it's in their personal financial interest). But there are several others. One is definitely that many in the military are more ideologically aligned with conservatives in the first place. Afterall, the Military is not likely to be a bastion of doves and peaceniks is it?

Another... many (not all, but a lot) voluntary military soldiers come from low-income communities and families, and the ones in rural areas are almost always Republican.

Well spoken, and very very true. I was in the minority when I was in. It's just the way it is, due to upbringing and family.

 

[metaphorge]

I hate this thread.... I guess I'm racist towards ignorant people.

Nope. You are intolerant of ignorant peple, but in order for someone to be classified as "intolerant" you have to examine someone's behavior, which means you're not pre-judging them.

It's an intolerance I share, and I will not rest until ignorance is stamped out. ;D

(It's worth mentioning that I feel there are sensible argets for most political positions, which is why it really ticks me off when anyone makes a dumb one, no matter their idealogical stripe. I get angrier when someone agrees with me for a dumb reason, as it makes me look bad.)

 

[metaphorge]

One is definitely that many in the military are more ideologically aligned with conservatives in the first place. Afterall, the Military is not likely to be a bastion of doves and peaceniks is it?

Well said. One of the things I really don't like about the Left is how pacifistic it has become. I'm pretty far out there on the liberal end of the spectrum, yet I'm also a supporter of smart military spending and think that yes, sometimes war is the answer.

It's far more effective to question the wisdom of a particular military action on practical grounds than to come at things with an 'omigod war is bad' perspective. (Holding this opinion makes me quite 'hawkish' by San Francisco standards.)

I credit my long obsession with the Holocaust. I encourage anyone who thinks military intervention is never the answer to go hang out at Auschwitz II: Birkenau for a bit and then get back to me.

 

[IrishJedi]

It's far more effective to question the wisdom of a particular military action on practical grounds than to come at things with an 'omigod war is bad' perspective. (Holding this opinion makes me quite 'hawkish' by San Francisco standards.)

No kidding! Congrats to you for being one of the rare people out there who doesn't have his/her head buried in the sand (while holding a cup of latte).

 

[LordAzrael]

Yep - war isn't always the answer - but sometimes it is. At the end of the day you need to look at the outcome of doing nothing vs going to war - all too many folk only look at the cost of war, when the cost of doing nothing may be much much higher. And sometimes you have to be prepared to go to war to avoid having to go to war - i.e. if a regime KNOWS you will go in and smite them if they take a particular action then they are much more likely to not undertake that action in the first place.

After all - war never solved anything..... except WW1, WW2, the American Civil War, The War of Independence etc etc etc. :emperor

 

[CelticPredator]

I'm not against War...but I am against this one.

 

[DarkArtist81]

Well said. One of the things I really don't like about the Left is how pacifistic it has become. I'm pretty far out there on the liberal end of the spectrum, yet I'm also a supporter of smart military spending and think that yes, sometimes war is the answer.

It's far more effective to question the wisdom of a particular military action on practical grounds than to come at things with an 'omigod war is bad' perspective. (Holding this opinion makes me quite 'hawkish' by San Francisco standards.)

I credit my long obsession with the Holocaust. I encourage anyone who thinks military intervention is never the answer to go hang out at Auschwitz II: Birkenau for a bit and then get back to me.

Well said, and I wholeheartedly agree. Sometimes, war is a necessary evil. It's an unavoidable human condition, especially when horrors such as genocide are being committed.

 

[Darklord Dave]

I think you'd be hard pressed to find a liberal that wouldn't agree that going into Afghanistan after al Queda and the Taliban was the right thing to do.

 

[Mesa]

Yep - war isn't always the answer - but sometimes it is. At the end of the day you need to look at the outcome of doing nothing vs going to war - all too many folk only look at the cost of war, when the cost of doing nothing may be much much higher. And sometimes you have to be prepared to go to war to avoid having to go to war - i.e. if a regime KNOWS you will go in and smite them if they take a particular action then they are much more likely to not undertake that action in the first place.

After all - war never solved anything..... except WW1, WW2, the American Civil War, The War of Independence etc etc etc. :emperor

It will be interesting to see what the history books say in 50 years about this war. Hopefully the full picture will be learned by then.

 

[darkknight]

Another thing is that McCain had visited the troops overseas before and now while running for president and well Obama had never once. I think that says a lot, actions speaks louder than words. Correct me if I'm wrong, doesn't Obama want to negotiate with terrorist if he becomes president.

 

[Mesa]

Another thing is that McCain had visited the troops overseas before and now while running for president and well Obama had never once. I think that says a lot, actions speaks louder than words. Correct me if I'm wrong, doesn't Obama want to negotiate with terrorist if he becomes president.

Obama doesn't want to talk to anyone who is "airraiding villages and killing civilians."

"Don't you just love the smell of Napalm in the morning?"

That's all we're doing over there, in case you didn't know.

Really says something about what he thinks of our military and their efforts, huh?
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[CelticPredator]

Another thing is that McCain had visited the troops overseas before and now while running for president and well Obama had never once. I think that says a lot, actions speaks louder than words. Correct me if I'm wrong, doesn't Obama want to negotiate with terrorist if he becomes president.

Ayeyayayayayay!

 

[CelticPredator]

Obama doesn't want to talk to anyone who is "airraiding villages and killing civilians."

"Don't you just love the smell of Napalm in the morning?"

That's all we're doing over there, in case you didn't know.

Really says something about what he thinks of our military and their efforts, huh?

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^^^^ing hell, stop posting biased videos! Yes, that goes for MSNBC videos and whatever other news stations that are either left, or right.

 

[Mesa]

^^^^ing hell, stop posting biased videos! Yes, that goes for MSNBC videos and whatever other news stations that are either left, or right.

I'm posting exactly what he said and is on record as saying. How is that biased?

 

[darkknight]

Obama doesn't want to talk to anyone who is "airraiding villages and killing civilians."

"Don't you just love the smell of Napalm in the morning?"

That's all we're doing over there, in case you didn't know.

Really says something about what he thinks of our military and their efforts, huh?
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Didn't he say something about the military generals not having much say if he disagrees with them. As if he has military back ground. Don't know exactly where it came from, it was a discussion with my co-worker that had mentioned it.

 

[Mesa]

Perhaps this is more your style CP:

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NOTE: the first video may be too frightening, start with the second to be safe.

 

[CelticPredator]

Smufs suck....but they have a better system im sure. No.....Left, Right...just eeeeeasy livin.

 

[Mesa]

I would so smurf smurfette. I don't care who she's been with, gimme some of the smurfy smurf.