Wonder Woman 1984 - June 5, 2020

[ironwez20]

True especially in the comics his insecurities were paramount to who he was but unfortunately in the MCU he is just a spoiled IM proxy flying in private jets.

But I also understand where Wor is coming from as far as power levels go Spiderman is pretty tank like especially for a little pipsqueak.



Those mags rocked!


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Yes but all marvel heroes are powerful. Spider-Man is just a bit stronger than cap. He can?t beat hulk one on one and all his rogues are pretty much levels above him in terms of strength. He uses his mind to defeat his foes.

Sometimes calling for help.

With venom, he was so desperate he called the FF for help. He was scared for his life

 

[Wor-Gar]

Scared has nothing to do with being indestructible. He bounces and never gets hurt. Walks around groaning for half a second, then is fine when he needs to be. All rubbish.

With his personality flaws, he would have been killed... or turned into a villains years ago. But they keep him as a geek for the geeks who read him. The readers all see themselves as "nerds cursed with special abilities".


If you had his powers and abilities, you would NOT be a geek. All your problems would be solved.

 

[jye4ever]

Scared has nothing to do with being indestructible. He bounces and never gets hurt. Walks around groaning for half a second, then is fine when he needs to be. All rubbish.

With his personality flaws, he would have been killed... or turned into a villains years ago. But they keep him as a geek for the geeks who read him. The readers all see themselves as "nerds cursed with special abilities".


If you had his powers and abilities, you would NOT be a geek. All your problems would be solved.

I would have beeches everywhere lol


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[ZE_501]

Scared has nothing to do with being indestructible. He bounces and never gets hurt. Walks around groaning for half a second, then is fine when he needs to be. All rubbish.

Most superheroes.

With his personality flaws, he would have been killed... or turned into a villains years ago. But they keep him as a geek for the geeks who read him. The readers all see themselves as "nerds cursed with special abilities".

The character is -- like most -- of another time. You're not wrong about the last bit, but...

If you had his powers and abilities, you would NOT be a geek. All your problems would be solved.

I haven't been keeping up but in at least one continuity he's wealthy, runs a tech company and seems to be doing well.

Just remember though ... mo' money, mo' problems. Or...you know...costumed supervillains and stuff.

 

[Victοr]

I outgrew Spider-Man earlier than other characters simply because he's such a ****ing ******* *****. Instead of patenting some of his inventions and making dough, he dresses up in tights and beats looneys up. Slott did one good thing and tried to fix that with Horizon and Parker Industries, but Status Quo is God and so he's back at square one. I don't know, the whole concept just got stale for me after a while. He's this nerdy guy and he gets bitten by a spider and he turns into a Chad, and then there's "muh responsibility" and "muh nobody dies" and making deals with Satan to save his 100 year old aunt... It's too anime-ish with the MC who's a bit of a slacker, an everyday man and he's got a whole harem of hot girls who wanna suck and **** his Big Spider **** and he's oh, so relatable and whatnot. I feel that the moment you realize that he's a superpowered supergenius the whole "he's just like me" thing flies out of the window, and him not actively trying to fix his life makes him seem like a doofus. The suit is nice, but I generally don't care.

I hear how Batman is not relatable, and I don't get it. At his core, he's just this guy who's devoted to something and tries really, really hard to be the best he can at it. Anyone who's got some big goals can relate to that. Yeah, he's also a supergenius billionaire, but he's supposed to be an inspiration first and foremost; a quasi-power fantasy. Spider-Man touted as the everyday man's superhero, but he's just as much of a power fantasy; just a less cool one. If we wanna talk real relatability, Hal Jordan trumps Parker every day of the week. He's not a supergenius, he has no soap opera problems or whatever else. He wants to do his job, grab a burger and get the girl. He's simple, his troubles are "mundane" and the only thing that changes is the backdrop. Compare that with Parker's Harem, Interdimensional Web Of Destiny, hundreds of brightly coloured supervillains who just do bad things because the plot demands them too, a wacky philosophy and just a trajectory that goes nowhere. It's fine to like Spider-Man and relate to aspects of him, but I don't think he's more relatable than the average superhero. Superman, based just on his personality, is a relatable guy too.

The long and short of it is that "relatability" depends solely on your character. If you're a happy go lucky guy, you'll be drawn to Spider-Man, especially if you're a sort of nerdish type. If you're more of a normie, you'll like Superman. If you're a bit of a loner with some eccentricities, you'll like Batman. After all this time, I've realized that I like the Byronic Hero archetype, so most of my favourite characters fall under that category, and thus I find them relatable too. It's got nothing to do with their origins.

 

[Khev]

Yes but all marvel heroes are powerful. Spider-Man is just a bit stronger than cap.

Sounds like you only know the characters from the MCU. Comic Cap has peak human strength, Spidey has the proportionate strength of a spider. He's ridiculously stronger than Cap.

 

[ZE_501]

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The long and short of it is that "relatability" depends solely on your character. If you're a happy go lucky guy, you'll be drawn to Spider-Man, especially if you're a sort of nerdish type. If you're more of a normie, you'll like Superman. If you're a bit of a loner with some eccentricities, you'll like Batman. After all this time, I've realized that I like the Byronic Hero archetype, so most of my favourite characters fall under that category, and thus I find them relatable too. It's got nothing to do with their origins.

You just named my three favourite comic superheroes. All of which I followed one way or the other from early childhood to the age of 15, and promptly abandoned to chase girls.

I don't think I picked up a comic again outside of Ghost In The Shell or the odd graphic novel, until I was 40; rapidly sifted through stuff until I found Image comics, and after burning through a few titles have got highly selective again; last books I picked up were Deadly Class ('80s nostalgia) and Death or Glory.

Without actively reading any titles, these days I find Superman overpowered, Spider-Man repetitive, and Batman hit-or-miss. He works best for me in a magical realist or stylized, noir setting.

 

[Wor-Gar]

I feel that the moment you realize that he's a superpowered supergenius the whole "he's just like me" thing flies out of the window...

Pretty much.

But geek kiddies love to believe they are super-powered super-geniuses just misunderstood and underappreciated.

 

[jye4ever]

I can no longer pick favorite anything superhero related there is just way too much amazing stuff!

MCU IM1-FFH (maybe BW lets see)

DD Season 1 and 2

Blade 1

Batman 89

STM 1-2

BB-TDK

Logan

Raimi Spiderman 1-2

Jane Punisher

HBO Spawn


Ok Ok fine.....MOS-BvS

Good luck trying to pick a top 3 lol


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[Khev]

Good luck trying to pick a top 3 lol

1. EG
2. BB
3. Olympus Has Fallen

Easy peasy, lol.

 

[Victοr]

You just named my three favourite comic superheroes. All of which I followed one way or the other from early childhood to the age of 15, and promptly abandoned to chase girls.

H-Haha, yeah, me too. I did a lot of uh, girl seeing at High School, yeah...

Spoiler

Honestly, I was drawn to characters like Batman, Doom, Stark and the like, because they're loners in the isolated sense of the word. It's not that they genuinely enjoy being alone all the time, and a part of them just wants to get close to someone, but they're just not great with people and it is what it is. That's the core of why I found them relatable. I could write a blogpost, but... eh, that'd be rather embarassing and of no value. Let's just say I've always preferred Tragedies to Comedies, like Melancholy and all those characteristics of the "Byronic Hero" archetype...

I don't think I picked up a comic again outside of Ghost In The Shell or the odd graphic novel, until I was 40; rapidly sifted through stuff until I found Image comics, and after burning through a few titles have got highly selective again; last books I picked up were Deadly Class ('80s nostalgia) and Death or Glory.

I still buy some stuff due to habit, but apart from Morrison's GL, they're all indies. I'm not following Batman, Iron Man and such. And all the stuff I'm buying will all conclude around May next year, so I'm done. The hobby's not fun anymore, and it's not worth the money.

Without actively reading any titles, these days I find Superman overpowered, Spider-Man repetitive, and Batman hit-or-miss. He works best for me in a magical realist or stylized, noir setting.

I like a couple of comic book characters still, but either it's because of a certain amount of nostalgia, or their stories are finished and I can judge them properly. I can hardly seem to be able to bring myself to care about any pop culture stuff in general. I could name a Top 10 of Comic Characters, but even that'd be stretching it to "I like them" as opposed to "I love them". I think that, ultimately, you can only like very few characters, and as time goes on, you mostly revert back to your childhood favourite and one or two you picked up along the way. The ones I can safely say I truly like are Doom, Batman, Stark and Hal Jordan. The others, it depends. As a kid, Batman could inspire me to be devoted to something. Jordan made me keep going no matter what. Stark reminded me that I was a bit of a pampered ******* and I needed to get off my *** and do something. Doom is a petty, vengeful, vindictive ******* and bad as it is to say, I've always felt that. So beyond superficial stuff like their costumes and power fantasies, they "spoke" to me in a way, which is why I latched onto them. Now, I'm not a todler so I don't need Batman to tell me to work harder. But I still carry the memory, so instead of discarding him like I did with so many other characters I had a phase of being obsessed with, I carry him.

Pretty much.

But geek kiddies love to believe they are super-powered super-geniuses just misunderstood and underappreciated.

All of us do the "he's just like me" bit. But personally, I do it with characters that I relate with their negative aspects. I find Don Draper a fascinating character, and I relate. Not because I'm a ***-having maniac, but because of a bit of ****ed up childhood (nowhere near close to Don's), the inherent melancholy and the need to wear a "mask", plus the obsession ith a new identity. I relate to Daniel Plainview not because I'm a totes badass oilman, but because I realize that deep down I'm a greedy, selfish ****wit who still wants his happy ending. I relate to Doom because he's every "sin" wrapped in a neat little package. I relate to Stark because he's an easily adicted control freak. And so on and so forth. Generally, I never had much use for characters who were "good" or paragons or whatever. Simply because I knew exactly what I was. For a while I do admit that I liked Doom because of the whole "greater good" meme. But shortly afterwards I admitted that I liked him simply because he was a mean ******* with an inferiority superiority complex, who'd stop at nothing to get what he wants.

In the end, I'd say that I am guilty of that type of thinking as well. But I go about it in a different way. And I think mine, being honest and self-aware, is superior.

 

[ironwez20]

Scared has nothing to do with being indestructible. He bounces and never gets hurt. Walks around groaning for half a second, then is fine when he needs to be. All rubbish.

With his personality flaws, he would have been killed... or turned into a villains years ago. But they keep him as a geek for the geeks who read him. The readers all see themselves as "nerds cursed with special abilities".


If you had his powers and abilities, you would NOT be a geek. All your problems would be solved.

But Batman is ok? Batman is a human and he gets hit by superhuman dudes and shrugs it off. Iron man is a man in an iron suit who gets hit numerous times and gets up like it's nothing. Batman got his back broken and he's back on the streets fighting again in a matter of months. Every hero goes through a beat down and shrugs it off. Iron man and Batman are no exception.

Spiderman however gets a pass cuase he'd be dead 4 times over if not for his super human abilities. Also they don't keep him a "geek" they keep him an average joe hero. By the time he is in his 20s he comes out his shell and starts to date and do his own thing. He is only a geek in highschool.

See thats the thing you don't get about spiderman. All his problems should be solved but they aren't. Something always arises due to him being a hero or wanting an ordinary life. It's why spiderman is the greatest hero of all time. Despite life going downhill for him, he still gets up and fights for what is right. He isn't rewarded and is infact hated. It's more realistic than iron man or batman.

If you were a hero in todays world you'd give up in a week, the world would blame you for not being there and eventually turn on you. Even the the first spiderman movie covered this.

Despite everything you've done for them eventually they will hate you - Green Goblin.

Batman is interesting becuase he is someone we all want to be. Spiderman is better because you can see yourself in him.

 

[ironwez20]

Sounds like you only know the characters from the MCU. Comic Cap has peak human strength, Spidey has the proportionate strength of a spider. He's ridiculously stronger than Cap.

Lol bro what? I've been reading marvel before the MCu. Try again. Also who cares? Spiderman still isn't nearly as strong as most of the MArvel universe. As I said. He's a big fish in a small pond. Don't make me burn your ST collection

 

[ironwez20]

I outgrew Spider-Man earlier than other characters simply because he's such a ****ing ******* *****. Instead of patenting some of his inventions and making dough, he dresses up in tights and beats looneys up. Slott did one good thing and tried to fix that with Horizon and Parker Industries, but Status Quo is God and so he's back at square one. I don't know, the whole concept just got stale for me after a while. He's this nerdy guy and he gets bitten by a spider and he turns into a Chad, and then there's "muh responsibility" and "muh nobody dies" and making deals with Satan to save his 100 year old aunt... It's too anime-ish with the MC who's a bit of a slacker, an everyday man and he's got a whole harem of hot girls who wanna suck and **** his Big Spider **** and he's oh, so relatable and whatnot. I feel that the moment you realize that he's a superpowered supergenius the whole "he's just like me" thing flies out of the window, and him not actively trying to fix his life makes him seem like a doofus. The suit is nice, but I generally don't care.

I hear how Batman is not relatable, and I don't get it. At his core, he's just this guy who's devoted to something and tries really, really hard to be the best he can at it. Anyone who's got some big goals can relate to that. Yeah, he's also a supergenius billionaire, but he's supposed to be an inspiration first and foremost; a quasi-power fantasy. Spider-Man touted as the everyday man's superhero, but he's just as much of a power fantasy; just a less cool one. If we wanna talk real relatability, Hal Jordan trumps Parker every day of the week. He's not a supergenius, he has no soap opera problems or whatever else. He wants to do his job, grab a burger and get the girl. He's simple, his troubles are "mundane" and the only thing that changes is the backdrop. Compare that with Parker's Harem, Interdimensional Web Of Destiny, hundreds of brightly coloured supervillains who just do bad things because the plot demands them too, a wacky philosophy and just a trajectory that goes nowhere. It's fine to like Spider-Man and relate to aspects of him, but I don't think he's more relatable than the average superhero. Superman, based just on his personality, is a relatable guy too.

The long and short of it is that "relatability" depends solely on your character. If you're a happy go lucky guy, you'll be drawn to Spider-Man, especially if you're a sort of nerdish type. If you're more of a normie, you'll like Superman. If you're a bit of a loner with some eccentricities, you'll like Batman. After all this time, I've realized that I like the Byronic Hero archetype, so most of my favourite characters fall under that category, and thus I find them relatable too. It's got nothing to do with their origins.

Ah. yea see I don't read the newer ****. I kind of don't follow the comics anymore. So many reboots and characters that don't age. I like the older stuff. All that deal with the devil crap and Spiderman not being married and can't age crap is annoying

 

[guyver1]

I know this isn’t until June...but do you think they could possibly postpone this

 

[Khev]

Lol bro what? I've been reading marvel before the MCu. Try again. Also who cares? Spiderman still isn't nearly as strong as most of the MArvel universe. As I said. He's a big fish in a small pond. Don't make me burn your ST collection

And what was the first MCU movie your mom took you to again? AoU?

 

[ironwez20]

And what was the first MCU movie your mom took you to again? AoU?

Nah that was your mom who I took to see that. She had an amazing time after.

Come on mom jokes? lol

 

[Khev]

Yep us ST fans love mom jokes, lol.

 

[jye4ever]

Yo Momma lol

Khev is getting ready to whip out the Welcome Back Kotter jokes...

Up your nose with a rubber hose ironwez lol


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[ironwez20]

Jeez you ST lovers are such nerds. This is coming from a man who collects toys lol