Seriously. How naive can a person be? They only did it once for production reasons.
I personally don't care either way. So long as sideshow doesn't exceed their original set ES on any piece, I don't care how they finish a run.
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Seriously. How naive can a person be? They only did it once for production reasons.
I personally don't care either way. So long as sideshow doesn't exceed their original set ES on any piece, I don't care how they finish a run.
Seriously. How naive can a person be? They only did it once for production reasons.
But muh ES...
Dude, if sideshow started releasing OG Doom PF today for PO and said muh ES...the collecting community would have a heart attack.
I don't care what an ES is, but once it's set, it should never be exceeded. Otherwise, don't bother with an ES at all if they aren't going to honor it.
dan350zr
Super Freak
Seriously. How naive can a person be? They only did it once for production reasons.
You have to figure from a business perspective it makes sense, if you set an edition size of say 3000 statues and the initial sales plummet into the toilet it only makes sense that you stop production and don't do the whole run... It's not like anyone is going to know, well unless you wait a year and start it up again like they did with Obi-Wan Mythos, then they didn't have a choice but to explain why all of a sudden they're selling them again, and it just happens to be after people were buying used ones on Ebay for $1000 ea, imagine that
........ After the whole "Signed by the artist" fiasco I don't really believe much of what SS says anymore... They're like most companies there never going to tell you the whole truth.... Just the way it is...I was talking to one of the guys who works at Cinemaquette, he told me that sure they will set the Edition Size to say 500 but if sales don't warrant it they will stop production so it could end up with a ES of 326 for example.... The guy was honest about it... We've even seen Prime 1 reduce their edition sizes when sales are not strong for a statue...
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OrangeCrush
Freaked Out
Seriously. How naive can a person be? They only did it once for production reasons.
You should talk. To think that you know something when you have absolutely ZERO proof of it is laughable at best. This entire topic was discussed at LENGTH on StatueForum and SSALex came right out and stated:
https://www.statueforum.com/showthread.php?t=148664&highlight=Edition+Size&page=275
https://www.statueforum.com/showthread.php?t=148664&highlight=Edition+Size&page=276
So basically, just 1 statue in the entire history of Sideshow didn't have its full edition size completed and Sideshow publicly adjusted the edition size to the proper number produced with that 1 statue. And thats straight from the mouth of Sideshow/SSAlex and I trust what SSAlex says a 1000 times more than some misc forum member that doesn't even work at Sideshow. SSAlex has always been honest with members at Statue Forum so unless you have some definitive proof that you can post up that proves that SSAlex was blatantly lying....well, I will continue to believe Sideshow/SSAlex over some misc internet user that is basically grasping at straws and has absolutely no proof to back up their claims. Honestly, this is one of the biggest problems with the modern day internet, people running around pretending they know what their talking about when they clearly don't. There are potential legitimate legal ramifications if companies do halt production and do not update the publicly stated edition size for that statue. Not to mention, there is absolutely no reason why Sideshow wouldn't come out and state that a full run wasn't completed and update the edition size since NOBODY is going to complain about a smaller edition size as smaller edition sizes actually benefit collectors who have purchased that piece. So if Sideshow really was going to cease production of a run early, I have absolutely ZERO doubt that they would publicly update the edition size, just like they did with the TMNT statue, the one statue Sideshow admits didn't have its full run completed..
So to state it again, Sideshow did sell 9000 Red Sonja statues in the last couple years. Wonder Woman is more popular than Red Sonja and Wonder Woman's edition is only 500 more than the 2 Red Sonja statues that sold out, which is why I am surprised it still hasn't sold out yet. I am betting were getting close to the final batch with WW.
Dude, if sideshow started releasing OG Doom PF today for PO and said muh ES...the collecting community would have a heart attack.
Batch production and open ES aside, the old Sideshow is dead
Damn I wish my wonder woman PF had magnets, my ****ing Axe Ex Hand wants to fall out if you blow on it. I can get it to stay by twisting it a bit (which has scratched some of the paint off the stub the hand attaches too (but its not visable because its covered by the hand attachment). However, if I complain to SSC about this, they will just send me a regular and I will lose my EX. Ill just stick with this and just use blu Tac if I have too, it hasn't fallen out yet but it could easily fall if someone bumped it or touched it. Luckily I have her in a room nobody really goes into.. off limits to idiots that like to look at things with their fingers instead of their eyes
OrangeCrush
Freaked Out
You should buy a really strong magnet and rub it across the face of the weak magnet. This won't strengthen a magnet beyond its initial strength when it was first produced, but it will strengthen a magnet that has lost strength. Either way, you can buy a really strong neodymium magnet for very little money and it certainly won't hurt to try and strengthen your magnets. You really don't have anything to lose giving it a try. Its worked with a few of my weak magnets in the past.
I don't think the early batches have magnets, just pins. This most recent batch is the first one with magnets, so it sounds like Skywalker(OG)Kush may have the version with the pins.
Armymedic1980
Super Freak
Yeah this new batch is the 1st time SS used magnets instead of those pegs and pins for this WW PF. I had the same problem with my EXC when both axe and shield arms were not holding properly, so I returned mine. No regrets.
comicbookguy
Super Freak
Now I feel like I got rip off with no magnets on the first batch. SS should recall them all and do them right. Sadly this company doesn't do this often.
Everyone else already got the recall notice end of last year and they all got their replacement pieces with magnet this month. check your spam folder, you may have missed it... hope it's not too late for you
Armymedic1980
Super Freak
Recall? This ain't a car, bro. Lol.
This new upgrade of magnets for the hair and 2 arms did cost $50, so it wasn't a freebie. I hope SS never engineers another statue with pegs and pins, cause it doesn't always work.I have proof. Obi was listed as sold out. It wasn't. I don't need more proof, but you keep drinking that Kool Aid...you obviously like the taste.
You have to figure from a business perspective it makes sense, if you set an edition size of say 3000 statues and the initial sales plummet into the toilet it only makes sense that you stop production and don't do the whole run... It's not like anyone is going to know, well unless you wait a year and start it up again like they did with Obi-Wan Mythos, then they didn't have a choice but to explain why all of a sudden they're selling them again, and it just happens to be after people were buying used ones on Ebay for $1000 ea, imagine that
I was talking to one of the guys who works at Cinemaquette, he told me that sure they will set the Edition Size to say 500 but if sales don't warrant it they will stop production so it could end up with a ES of 326 for example.... The guy was honest about it... We've even seen Prime 1 reduce their edition sizes when sales are not strong for a statue...
Agreed. Sideshow will never let you in on their business strategies and anything released by their management or Reps will always paint the company in the best possible light. It's to be expected but savvy collectors know to take their info with a grain of salt. Sideshow plays around with their edition sizes when they over estimate a statues popularity. TMNT COMs, Obi Wan, and the Modern Thor PF come to mind. The Doom 2.0 PF and modern Thor were both supposed to have their ES reduced. They didn't get to Doom in time so the factory completed the run but I'm pretty sure Thor was caught on time and the run was reduced. Again, none of this matters to me. So long as they don't exceed the original ES, I'm all good. However, it's foolish for anyone to think sideshow doesn't use any advantage to their benefit. Reducing a run, gaming the WL, and listing items as sold out when they are not are all a part of sideshow's business strategy. It's obviously done to maximize sideshow's bottom line. Any smart business would do the same. A smart collector will recognize their tactics and adjust accordingly to their benefit.
Yep, you'll get no argument from me on that topic. I'm not a fan of their new sideshowified direction with modernized costumes. It pains me to see some of these new releases.
dan350zr
Super Freak
First off my comment was speculative, I never said I have 100% proof, but my comments were based on what I've seen of SS over the years and were my opinion... Where as you said I was 100% wrong even though you have zero proof other then SSAlex (who is a nice person) but just repeats what marketing tells her to say. At least that's the impression I've gotten from her comments over the years...
As for your comment that there is no reason why SS wouldn't state it if they quit the run on a statue, I disagree there is a downside to it, that their statue was a failure and SS screwed the pooch on the design. That's something SS seems to try and avoid... It's one of the reasons why Igo said that the forums only make up 3% of their customer base, it's to delegitimized any bad reviews of their statues, there basically saying sure 3% don't like it but 97% of our customers love it.
When SS LIED about the artist signing their artwork (at least technically, since it was a machine signing it) and got caught they lost creditability, for me at least, along with the "I checked all our statues and there are none better looking then what you sent pictures of but hey here's $15 if you keep it", like a guy is going to check hundreds of boxes and get back to you a few hours later.... so yeah I take anything they say with a grain of salt.
BTW, if SS makes less then what they state, how is there legal consequences? Like someone is only buying a statue because they know there will be min. of X amount, now if they make more then what they state then that's a different story...
If you want to believe everything SS says, more power to ya.... And to make it clear for you "THIS IS JUST MY OPINION"
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OrangeCrush
Freaked Out
Yeah, your right. I misread his post. I thought he was complaining about the strength of the magnets and what he was really doing was hoping they had magnets instead of the pins. My bad.
OrangeCrush
Freaked Out
Honestly, that just makes your post 100 times worse as basically what you were doing was running around calling someone (me) naive based on pure speculation with no proof whatsoever. My advice, if your going to call someone out and call them naive, you better have more than just your own opinion to back it up. Otherwise that just makes you look argumentative and it also makes you look like someone that runs around thinking their opinions are fact even tho they have no proof to back them up and that is the LAST thing the internet needs more of. There are already WAY too many people running around pretending they know what they are talking about when they clearly don't. I have the word of one of the main people at Sideshow in charge of dealing with the pubic and answering questions from the public, which is a WHOLE LOT more than just pure speculation. In all my years of collecting statues and being on StatueForum, which is a LONG time, I have yet to see SSAlex lie or make a single claim that was inaccurate.
And just based on pure common sense, one should come to the realization that Sideshow would have absolutely NO reason not to come out and tell people that a statue's edition was stopped early and update the edition size publicly for that statue as they would only cease production of a statue if a statue wasn't selling well and telling people that a particular statue has a smaller edition size than they originally thought would only make the people that purchased the statue that much more happy as a smaller edition size is a good thing for collectors. And since Sideshow did come out and publicly update the edition size on the one statue that did have its production stopped early, there is absolutely no reason to think they wouldn't continue to do the same thing with other statues that had their editions cut short. And given the sell out rates that Sideshow has been seeing since increasing their edition sizes significantly, there would be no reason why Sideshow would even have to contemplate ceasing a production run early. So again, just based on pure common sense, one should have come to the realization that Sideshow would have no need to cut production runs early and if they did they would have come out and stated as such and publicly updated the edition size of that statue so it remained accurate. The fact that SSAlex confirmed as much...well, that should put this entire issue to bed in very short order, unless someone has proof that suggests otherwise and until I see proof that suggests otherwise, I have absolutely no reason to believe that SSAlex is lying or that his information is inaccurate.
And SS didn't lie about their prints not having real signatures. The description of the prints just wasn't clear in this regard, which people found a bit deceptive, but once the topic came under scrutiny, Sideshow came right out and admitted that they were machine signatures and updated the way they described that aspect of the prints on their website. I was as pissed off as anyone as I had already ordered 15 prints from them and I would have never purchased any of them if I had known they had fake signatures, but there is a big difference between not accurately describing something and blatantly lying. And Sideshow offered people a full refund on the prints they had already purchased, which is exactly what I did. I returned all of my prints and got a 100% refund on all of them. Again once this topic came under scrutiny, Sideshow came right out and admitted as much. That is very different from Sideshow outright lying like Aspen did for 10 years regarding their open edition Marvel/DC prints being sold as limited editions. It took me roughy 16 months of emailing Aspen time and time and time again before Frank Mastromauro came out and admitted that the Marvel/DC prints were in fact open editions.
As for the possible legal consequences, and its important to note that I said POSSIBLE legal consequences, all of the laws that have been made in recent years regarding limited edition collectibles come right out and say that the collector has a right to know EXACTLY how many are made and that the company has to make that information available. I don't know if there have been any laws passed relating specifically to limited edition statues, but that might not really matter as one can use the other limited edition laws as precedence. So if it came to light that Sideshow was in fact ceasing statue runs early thus making the stated edition size inaccurate, one could possibly take Sideshow to court over the matter. Its all about transparency and collectors knowing exactly how many of a particular limited edition exist. It doesn't matter if the actions of Sideshow didn't negatively effect the value of the statues. Again, its simply about transparency with limited editions and collectors having a right to know EXACTLY how many of a particular limited edition exist. So there are unquestionably possible legal consequences if a company producing limited edition's state inaccurate figures for their limited editions.
You clearly didn't read my post so there is really no sense even going on with you. Why bother having a discussion with people if they can't take the time to properly read posts? As my post CLEARLY stated in the SSAlex quotes that I listed, Sideshow DID list Obi Wan as sold out as they had to cease production of the run due to factory capacity issues. Once the factory was able to continue the production of the run, Sideshow did just that and finished producing the entire edition, which is the basis of this entire debate, that Sideshow completes their editions and Obi Wan had its complete edition produced. It took a bit longer than Sideshow initially anticipated, but they still wound up finishing the complete edition.
And yes, I will continue to believe representatives of a company, especially one as well respected as SSAlex from Sideshow, over misc internet users that have absolutely ZERO proof to back up thier claims. That's not drinking the Kool-Aid. That's just pure common sense. One of the single worst aspects of the internet is the sheer number of people running around thinking thier opinions are fact even tho the have absolutely zero proof or zero data to back up those opinions. I won't even visit movie forums any more due to the sheer number of people running around thinking thier subjective opinions are fact. People that don't understand the basic concept of subjectivity shouldn't even be allowed to post on message boards.
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