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Nolan's Batman is an abomination?

This is my favorite franchise, but let's not forget X-Men Origins: Wolverine. That movie is an abomination any way you want to look at it. That's one of the few superhero movies of recent times that can actually be considered Batman and Robin bad.


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It's just like what Kara mentioned, about Nolan keeping the superficial parts of Batman intact. He was essentially just a rich guy in a suit, who had access to a lot of finance for technology. But, unlike the Batman in the comics, he couldn't fight well, and he wasn't even the world's greatest detective anymore.

But, on topic, the major complaint that I've seen about Jackman is his height. As I've stated before, I'm not a big reader of the X-Men comics, but his height seems like very minor issue - all things considered.

In any case, I'm going to leave you hardcore dudes to discuss this. X-Men isn't really my forte :lol :peace
 
I think you just need to accept that Jackman factually is not the perfect Wolverine, whether you like him or not.:lol He's one adaptation of a character that existed long before him and an adaptation that strays from the original in ways that are absolutely NOT necessary and have nothing to do with suspension of belief. Just completely nothing. PLENTY of actors out there who fit Wolverine's physique better than Jackman. He didn't make Wolverine, he made a Wolverine.

Also concerning different audiences, we've never seen the Wolverine from the comics on screen, we've rarely seen any comic book character truly portrayed like in the comics on screen, for almost no characters. So you can't back that statement up with any proof.

If anything Marvel Studios' success proves you wrong, because although those aren't perfect copies brought to life either, most of them are closer to their original counterparts than Jackman is to Wolverine. Same for Spidey now, regardless of whether that new film is any good.

I think it's exactly the opposite, I think we'll learn as time progresses that much more people would like the actual proper versions of these characters than is often presumed. If you look at CB filmography and it's success versus it's progression, that certainly seems to be the case I'd say. The more films have directly taken the CB versions, the overall more success they started having. One can often mention Nolan to disprove that theory, but Batman Begins was quite an accurate CB year one Batman. It's TDK and TDKR that started watering that down, instead of increasing it.

Also, I never had much access to the comics as a kid, but the more I learn about the comics, the more I see why these characters were designed the way they were, or why writers took them in certain directions. Those reasons often heavily outweigh the reasons filmmakers make their versions the way they do, which often don't have much to do with the character itself at all.

And the current Wolverine is a good example of that.

Perfectly said.

It's funny people like to dismiss Bale as Batman because they feel he wasn't a perfect representation of Batman from the comics/cartoon, but when it comes to Jackman's Wolverine, they want the fans to forget about the comics and enjoy the movies.

Once Jackman is finished in the role, bring on Hardy!

Wolverines height is essential to his character.


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It's just like what Kara mentioned, about Nolan keeping the superficial parts of Batman intact. He was essentially just a rich guy in a suit, who had access to a lot of finance for technology. But, unlike the Batman in the comics, he couldn't fight well, and he wasn't even the world's greatest detective anymore.

But, on topic, the major complaint that I've seen about Jackman is his height. As I've stated before, I'm not a big reader of the X-Men comics, but his height seems like very minor issue - all things considered.

I've already explained why it's not a minor issues. I'm 6'6, my best buddy is 5'5 (yeah, hilarious sight in high school), we've sparred together and he's done a lot of different martial arts styles. We came to the conclusion, and he learned this from trainers as well, that your height HEAVILY determines the way you should fight. SOmeone who faces opponents bigger then him develops a very different style from someone usually fighting smaller opponents.

It's the simply physics of melee fighting, including any weaponry, small people will usually try to take their opponent down as fast as possible. They can maneuvor quicker and more fluent. Tall people will try to pound their opponent into an even smaller pulp than they already are and will try to stay as immovable as possible. (Very crudely said it does boil down to that usually.)

Jackman very clearly has the fighting style of a tall guy. He never Jumps, he never looks up, he never does jump kicks, he never tries to wrestle his opponents to the ground, none of that. He stands firm and usually actually outflanks his opponents as well as being an immovable block, instead of a being an acrobatic, fluent and mobile fighter. When he swings his arms his reach is almost always bigger than his opponents. The real WOlverine needs to run and jump like a maniac to close the melee distance constantly.

Wolverine, his posture, his attitude, almost everything is informed by his physical traits. And he is above any and all an action character, the action is what is at the core of it, even his psychology to an extent boils down to it. To boot, he wasn't called Wolverine for nothing.

I respect you liking Jackman, hell I'm a guy who still has X2 as my nr 4 best CB film ever. But his height is a MAJOR adaptational issue.
 
Watch animated cartoon versions of Wolverine, any of them. There's a reason why it's such an iconic team moment that Colossus picks him up and throws him at people.

Jackman is a great action hero and he captures the psychology about as well as Bale does. But both of them are very unlike their original versions concerning all of their fighting.

Action choreography is almost what defines an action film. And these choreographies are heavily determined by the physique of those carrying them out. And it just creates a very different character.
 
Jackman very clearly has the fighting style of a tall guy. He never Jumps, he never looks up, he never does jump kicks, he never tries to wrestle his opponents to the ground, none of that. He stands firm and usually actually outflanks his opponents as well as being an immovable block, instead of a being an acrobatic, fluent and mobile fighter. When he swings his arms his reach is almost always bigger than his opponents. The real WOlverine needs to run and jump like a maniac to close the melee distance constantly.
Good point here, that I really haven't thought much about. But go back to the very first time most saw Wolverine.

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I have always seen him as a compact bundle of dynamite in the comics, and Jackman wasn't really that, though the scene in the mansion at X2 did scream Wolverine in lots of ways.
 
Yeah Jackman nails every moment acting wise, he does everything as good as he possibly could. He just doesn't have the size nor the franchise version to be a perfect Wolverine.

Nothing that makes him an imperfect Wolverine is Jackman's fault, but he's highly imperfect nonetheless.
 
Well like I posted before, I think his character is also written a bit differently than the comic Wolvie often was, but as you say, he did great work with what he was given. And I like his version a lot, but think there is room for another interpretation, for sure. Maybe one that could be a more genuine anti-hero.
 
I like how every TV spot I see for this movie highlights every scene with Jennifer Lawrence. Hugh Jackman gets a couple seconds as well - but at the rate they showcase JL you'd think this movie might as well be called Mystique Origins.

Not that I'm complaining, mind you :)
 
Lawrence is the hot commodity right now so I guess they're going to cash in on her 15 minutes of fame. Having a wife who is a huge Hunger Games fan I've seen way too much of her. I'm not going to pretend she or her movies are as horrid as Twilight and it's female star, but I definitely don't get the hype surrounding her.
 
She acts normal in real life. That is so insanely unfathomable to most hollywood princesses and the studio execs gawking at them that she sticks out like a sore thumb. To boot she can actually act, you can't deny her that, and when everybody got onboard the David O. Russell hype train she got a friggin Oscar out of nowhere. Yeah well, an oscar winner playing in blockbusters? $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
 
Nolan's Batman is an abomination?

This is my favorite franchise, but let's not forget X-Men Origins: Wolverine. That movie is an abomination any way you want to look at it. That's one of the few superhero movies of recent times that can actually be considered Batman and Robin bad.


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Oh please, it's bad but it had potential. But it's no where near "whutt kylled thah dyinosawz... thah ace eege!" :lol
 
Oh please, it's bad but it had potential. But it's no where near "whutt kylled thah dyinosawz... thah ace eege!"

I think it was, it was a travesty in every possible way. Terrible acting, script, action, destroyed continuity, Jackman’s Wolverine was absolutely nothing like the comics, liquid metal claws, horrible CGI, Will I Am, Wolverine boxing Blob, Merc with No Mouth, cinematography, Gavin Hood…etc

I’m sorry Origins was Batman and Robin bad. Besides Lievv Schreiber as Sabertooth, please tell me what you thought was done right in that movie.

Which movie will dominate in May I wonder

1. ASM Spider-man 2
2. Godzilla
3. X-men DOFP


Bias aside, DOFP is taking it.
 
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There will not be a better actor to play Wolverine? :rotfl

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For all intends and purposes Jackman is less of a Wolverine than Bale is Batman like the Nolan detractors claim.
 
I think it was, it was a travesty in every possible way. Terrible acting, script, action, destroyed continuity, Jackman’s Wolverine was absolutely nothing like the comics, liquid metal claws, horrible CGI, Will I Am, Wolverine boxing Blob…etc

I’m sorry Origins was Batman and Robin bad. Besides Lievv Schreiber as Sabertooth, please tell me what you thought was done right in that movie.




Bias aside, DOFP is taking it.

We'll see. I'm disappointed in the size of the Sentinels in this film. Should be much bigger. Hopefully the trailers made them seem small. Maybe when they are actually fighting them they will seem bigger otherwise it's an epic fail.
 
There will not be a better actor to play Wolverine? :rotfl

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For all intends and purposes Jackman is less of a Wolverine than Bale is Batman like the detractors of Nolan claim.

I agree with this, but as long as it works in the films I’m okay with whatever they decide to with these characters.
 
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