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[punisher1974]

I did not know that shame it was wasted on such a boring movie.




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Bite your tongue JYE.

 

[Khev]

I did not know that shame it was wasted on such a boring movie.

I keep reading reviews implying that TROS was mastered in native 4K, meaning VFX as well??

Bill Hunt at TDB:

The Rise of Skywalker was shot mostly on 35 mm photochemical film using Arriflex 435 ES and Panavision Panaflex Millennium XL2 cameras with Panavision anamorphic lenses (with a bit of 65 mm photography using the Panavision Panaflex System 65 Studio camera as well). It was finished as a native 4K Digital Intermediate at the 2.39:1 aspect ratio and graded for high dynamic range for its Ultra HD release (in HDR10).

 

[Khev]

Sigh, TPM should look absolutely amazing on UHD 4K but instead of remastering the CGI up to at least 2K Lucas deliberately *downgraded* the live-action film quality to better match the low res CGI. Unreal.

Disney’s 4K disc presentation obviously includes all the latest tweaks and changes seen on Disney+ (note that the 20th Century Fox logo remains intact), but the image quality is better on disc. The average datarate is in the 50-60 Mbps range (vs 15-25 Mbps via streaming) and the extra bandwidth results in a somewhat more dimensional image. Obviously, this is not a reference quality 4K presentation. Even the footage actually shot on 35 mm film was processed with DNR to produce a soft, clean look that better matched the HD resolution of the VFX and digitally captured footage. There’s also baked-in edge enhancement in some shots. BUT… since the time of the original 2011 Blu-ray release, upsampling algorithms have improved a great deal. What’s more, with an impressive application of state-of-the-art “film-look” processing, Reliance has managed to produce a 4K DI image that’s… well, not great, but certainly better than I was expecting on UHD. The 4K disc offers a more film-like image than the original Blu-ray. Detail is still soft—often very soft—and some of the VFX shots just have an unavoidably “digital” appearance. But combined with a restrained HDR grade (peak brightness is 1000 nits per the disc’s metadata—keep in mind, there’s only so much color and contrast information in the source to begin with), the result is… let’s call it acceptable. I would certainly rather watch this presentation, as opposed to any other, on the exceedingly rare occasions I’d choose to revisit the film.

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[jye4ever]

On the exceedingly rare occasions I choose to revisit the film

Holy

Crap

lol

But yes definitely not worth spending money on it.

Can you imagine the other 2 yikes.


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[Khev]

I thought about highlighting his last sentence but figured it'd be funnier to discover on your own, lol.

I guess I shouldn't be surprised that Lucas deliberately sabotaged TPM's live-action and practical footage in favor of the CGI. Hell he went out of his way to taint the entire OT with revisionist crap to bring it down closer to the quality of the PT so why would TPM be immune.

Oh well so what, lol. 4K TROS has reference quality picture and audio and eventually we'll have ESB 4K80 to complete the OT.

 

[punisher1974]

I thought about highlighting his last sentence but figured it'd be funnier to discover on your own, lol.

I guess I shouldn't be surprised that Lucas deliberately sabotaged TPM's live-action and practical footage in favor of the CGI. Hell he went out of his way to taint the entire OT with revisionist crap to bring it down closer to the quality of the PT so why would TPM be immune.

Oh well so what, lol. 4K TROS has reference quality picture and audio and eventually we'll have ESB 4K80 to complete the OT.

They are close to 1/3rd done on scanning. Can't wait for 4K80. Everything I read said Rise of Skywalker looks great and I hope I enjoy it more than in theaters. Not surprised about the prequels since they were held back by the medium of the time for digital special effects. Clones and Sith will look worse I bet.

 

[jye4ever]

I thought about highlighting his last sentence but figured it'd be funnier to discover on your own, lol.

I guess I shouldn't be surprised that Lucas deliberately sabotaged TPM's live-action and practical footage in favor of the CGI. Hell he went out of his way to taint the entire OT with revisionist crap to bring it down closer to the quality of the PT so why would TPM be immune.

Oh well so what, lol. 4K TROS has reference quality picture and audio and eventually we'll have ESB 4K80 to complete the OT.

Like seriously who does that lol

I bet Lucas puts regular gas in his Ferrari lol


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[darthviper107]

It is weird to me that he was OK with filming at 1080p for AOTC and ROTS

 

[Khev]

Like seriously who does that lol

I bet Lucas puts regular gas in his Ferrari lol

It is weird to me that he was OK with filming at 1080p for AOTC and ROTS

I know right. And forever doomed those movies to look subpar. Subpar compared to new films *and* films that are decades older! What's funny is if they really wanted to improve AOTC and ROTS they could always ramp up the CGI to 2K or even 4K but the live-action elements will forever be stuck at 1080p.

EDIT: Oh man the 4K reviews for AOTC and ROTS are now up on www.thedigitalbits.com too. First line of AOTC review reads "While The Phantom Menace was disappointing but at least watchable, the same unfortunately cannot be said of its sequel, Attack of the Clones," lol. Time to grab some popcorn and pull up a chair.

 

[jye4ever]

Holy crap lulz


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[Khev]

Holy crap lulz

When "disappointing but at least watchable" is simply too high a bar to reach, lol.

 

[jye4ever]

I am dying reading that so freaking epic I love BH lol

Guess what my TROS/TFA//RO/OT has shipped!


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[Khev]

I am dying reading that so freaking epic I love BH lol

Guess what my TROS/TFA//RO/OT has shipped!

If they freaking short packed TFA and RO just to push the damn box set then

And if TLJ 4K is new then I wonder if Solo 4K will have a brighter transfer.

 

[jye4ever]

If they freaking short packed TFA and RO just to push the damn box set then

And if TLJ 4K is new then I wonder if Solo 4K will have a brighter transfer.

I?m waiting on the TLJ and Solo reviews before buying again.


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[jye4ever]

With Netflix going down today because of bandwidth it showed the truth what is going on behind the scenes with our expensive premium internet.


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[Khev]

Coming 5/19.

 

[jye4ever]

Yup good stuff


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[Khev]

With Netflix going down today because of bandwidth it showed the truth what is going on behind the scenes with our expensive premium internet.

Did Netflix go down Stateside? I checked it shortly after you posted this and mine was still working (which is good since I'm only three episodes into Kingdom, lol.)

 

[darthviper107]

I know right. And forever doomed those movies to look subpar. Subpar compared to new films *and* films that are decades older! What's funny is if they really wanted to improve AOTC and ROTS they could always ramp up the CGI to 2K or even 4K but the live-action elements will forever be stuck at 1080p.

EDIT: Oh man the 4K reviews for AOTC and ROTS are now up on www.thedigitalbits.com too. First line of AOTC review reads "While The Phantom Menace was disappointing but at least watchable, the same unfortunately cannot be said of its sequel, Attack of the Clones," lol. Time to grab some popcorn and pull up a chair.

It's really not that simple to redo the CGI at a higher resolution, it's possible that some files weren't archived properly or files could be too old to even use anymore, and anything that had to integrate with live action elements wouldn't look good.

 

[Khev]

I didn't say it was simple. It'd be a massive undertaking in fact, up to and including literally redoing the CGI from scratch. It would take however many months and millions of dollars. But it could be done. Redoing the live-action elements with the same actors however? That's what's literally impossible.