Zack Snyder's Rebel Moon

[T8OO]

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[wormlander]

Well, these days, being a franchise is hardly unique. In fact, its odd if you're not.

I'm sure people have many ideas about a sequel to The Martian (yep, he gets left behind again, just like Home Alone).

Everybody goes to Mars and Damon is left behind on Earth as a prank

 

[Wor-Gar]

Everybody goes to Mars and Damon is left behind on Earth as a prank

Then they really could call it: The Martian: Lost in New York

 

[Sassafras]

How should I explain my take on it takes itself too serious?
It was a term I also did not get at first when I heard it many years ago.
Then I saw this movie and finally understood it.
This movie is just that, a serious movie, no inside jokes, no bonding of characters, it is just brooding plot, "cool" action/fight scene with slow motion, introducing broken/cliche character, unsurprising plot twist or event till the end. Not one fun character in the movie. All of them and all of it is just way too serious.
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Which in a way was funny AF because - the shameless avalanche of poorly done ripoff from other films, apparently done in all SERIOUSNESS by a director who didn't even know he was channeling lots of films from the last 20 years or so - am sure I missed some that I don't even know about from my mental checklist.

And then, like:
“It’s a little bit like Jimmy goes from this sentient robot to really becoming a little more human, and he goes a little feral. When everybody is being collected and the team is getting built, he’s running around in the woods being like a feral creature and hunting and sitting by the brook and catching fish and doing Jimmy things out in the woods, so that’s where the crown of antlers comes from.”
(Rebel Moon Writer Explains Why One Character Has a New Look at the End of the Movie)

Pffft. IMO for me the one character that was kinda interesting; and I thought there would be some DEEP THOUGHT here - like a robot slowly and mystically becoming a sentient creature, inorganic vs. organic, shades of the Celtic horned God Cernunnos, god of wild things and nature, protector of huntmen, the gatekeeper of the wilds....but, NOPE.
Basically it's like a kid mucking about in a creek.

 

[MxBxM]

That doesn't help but I appreciate the effort.

I tried without spoiling anything. I failed

 

[MxBxM]

Which in a way was funny AF because - the shameless avalanche of poorly done ripoff from other films, apparently done in all SERIOUSNESS by a director who didn't even know he was channeling lots of films from the last 20 years or so - am sure I missed some that I don't even know about from my mental checklist.

And then, like:
“It’s a little bit like Jimmy goes from this sentient robot to really becoming a little more human, and he goes a little feral. When everybody is being collected and the team is getting built, he’s running around in the woods being like a feral creature and hunting and sitting by the brook and catching fish and doing Jimmy things out in the woods, so that’s where the crown of antlers comes from.”
(Rebel Moon Writer Explains Why One Character Has a New Look at the End of the Movie)

Pffft. IMO for me the one character that was kinda interesting; and I thought there would be some DEEP THOUGHT here - like a robot slowly and mystically becoming a sentient creature, inorganic vs. organic, shades of the Celtic horned God Cernunnos, god of wild things and nature, protector of huntmen, the gatekeeper of the wilds....but, NOPE.
Basically it's like a kid mucking about in a creek.

The thing about the robot is that they show it a lot in the marketing of the film, yet he is barely in it.
I pretty much guessed every outcome of importance in the movie while the event was unfolding or foreshadowed.

Example:

Spoiler

The rebel leaderss; I knew the brother saying bye to his sister was basically saying he was going to die

 

[T8OO]

I tried without spoiling anything. I failed

That's okay. Maybe I failed to understand a good explanation.

 

[Wor-Gar]

The thing about the robot is that they show it a lot in the marketing of the film, yet he is barely in it.

Boba Fett did it first.

 

[MxBxM]

Boba Fett did it first.

Not as bad as this movie. Before I saw it, I thought the robot was gonna be like a mix of Chappie and C3P0 and a main character.

 

[Otomofan]

I'm sure the robot will be in it a lot more in the second half.

 

[Wor-Gar]

Hippy robot with a daisy beret...

 

[Alatar]

Jimmy is featured more in the extended cut and he will undoubtedly show up in Part 2. In the novelization it is explained why he runs off and what’s going on with him:

Spoiler: Spoiler

In a nutshell Jimmy has an epiphany that Nature provides a superior set of algorithms by which to govern his behavior than his programming by the Imperium. That insight overrides his programming to follow the orders of the Imperium soldiers. It’s implied (I don’t have the book handy to check) but the suggestion is that can also provide a moral center as well. But anyway he’s living out in the wilderness sorting that out.

It’s interesting territory because AI that is self-aware and sentient may well end up doing this. Humans created AI and will give it the laws of robotics that Isaac Asimov imagined. But the sentient AI may very well look to what created humans.

It looks like Jimmy will evolve from being a chivalric knight lacking the mission for which he was created and therefore without a tangible purpose to become a sort of Druidic character. He adapts his knight programming to protect the royal princess to become a sort of watchful protector of the village from afar, out in the wilderness. After his meditations it’s like the village and what it represents becomes the new sacred object for him to chivalrically protect at all costs. He’s like a good, prosocial version of Zod from MoS, lol.

It’s like Pinocchio‘s wish to be human, but here it’s more specifically to be in touch with the ultimate source that’s intelligible, I guess. Same general idea that science basically studies Nature I guess; here doing it philosophically obviously.

We don’t know yet the full history of how the Jimmies were created, but the Imperium’s priests seem to be behind everything. The Imperium’s creepy religion is all about control off the masses through propaganda and literally editing memories and what not. I think Jimmy’s core dilemma touches upon the problem of religion presumably being created by humans.

 

[Alatar]

The novelization (which is the story we will see in the R-rated extended cut) makes more sense of the scene in which Noble’s teeth get knocked out by Kora. It’s an ironic thing. Because in the book the priests extract teeth of leaders that the Imperium kills in its conquests, and they place them around a portrait of the slain royal princess. You can see passing images in the PG-13 cut of the scribes carrying that portrait around. No information yet as to the purpose of that. I’m sure it will be explained in Part 2, though.

 

[Budo17]

I thought this was pretty funny and accurate;

 

[ironwez20]

lol the robots name is jimmy?

 

[Wor-Gar]

I thought this was pretty funny and accurate;

Slo-mo inside slo-mo!


You know, after thinking about it, I don't know why people associate 7 Samurai with Star Wars, other than Lucas saying so, because Star Wars is not like 7 Samurai other than ending up with 7 heroes by the end. It's not like Luke went looking for them. If 7 Samurai inspired Lucas to have a collection of heroes, then that is where the Homage stops. Now, Zack, he plagiarizes 7 Samurai. Star Wars and Rebel Moon are good examples of 'homage' vs 'plagiarism', if you had to teach someone the difference.

 

[Budo17]

I loved the slo-mo inside slo-mo reference, now I know what it's called! I always assumed Star Wars New Hope was based on Kurosawa's The Hidden Fortress, with the comedic bickering duo and peasants ending up saving a princess. Rebel Moon is a tough watch, and I think you're spot on with the plagiarism - at least The Magnificent Seven made for a nice western with cool actors, the 60s version that is.

 

[Wor-Gar]

I always assumed Star Wars New Hope was based on Kurosawa's The Hidden Fortress, with the comedic bickering duo and peasants ending up saving a princess.

Yes, that is correct... it's Hidden Fortress, not 7 Samurai. I wonder where all this "Lucas stole from 7 Samurai" stuff came from? Disney?

 

[Budo17]

I have no idea, though I remember when The Mandalorian was released, I read somewhere that some of it was influenced by Kurosawa's Seven Samurai - it's just weird that the influence of The Hidden Fortress has been pushed back so much for another Kurosawa classic.

 

[T8OO]

Slo-mo inside slo-mo!


You know, after thinking about it, I don't know why people associate 7 Samurai with Star Wars, other than Lucas saying so, because Star Wars is not like 7 Samurai other than ending up with 7 heroes by the end. It's not like Luke went looking for them. If 7 Samurai inspired Lucas to have a collection of heroes, then that is where the Homage stops. Now, Zack, he plagiarizes 7 Samurai. Star Wars and Rebel Moon are good examples of 'homage' vs 'plagiarism', if you had to teach someone the difference.

If he's acknowledging and saying where the basic idea came just like Lucas did, how is it plagiarism?