Star Wars Saga (OT/PT/ST) Discussion Thread

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Imagine old man Luke asking about his mother, and young Anakin telling him about her.
Disney did not give a $#!% about the original characters.

Why is the nebulous "Disney" to blame?

We know who is responsible for it.

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Has there been an explanation to why spirit Anakin wistfully looks over Ashoka, but made zero effort with his own son and daughter in the ST?
Anakin trained Ahsoka for years and fought side-by-side with her throughout TCW, whereas he had a brief adversarial relationship with Luke and only found out that Leia was his daughter minutes before he died. Besides, what words of wisdom was he going to offer to his senior citizen children in the ST?

That's the second most shocking dropped ball of the ST in my mind.

The first was not reuniting the core OT heroes.

The second was not having Hayden Anakin interact with Hamill Luke.That would have created such a bridge between the two trilogies, much moreso than that awkward
ROTJ edit with the Force ghosts on Endor.
Force ghost Hayden talking to Mark's Luke would just be weird as he's not the same actor that played his father in ROTJ. I don't see how that would have worked at all. And what could he possibly say to Leia? "So.........about blowing up Alderaan, you know that was ALL Tarkin, right? I was as surprised about that as you were". :lol

Imagine old man Luke asking about his mother, and young Anakin telling him about her.
Disney did not give a $#!% about the original characters.
Funny, I don't recall anyone pining away for Hayden's Anakin at the start of the ST. Most OT fans still had a bad taste in their mouths from that uncalled for ROTJ Force ghost edit and saw the OG characters returning for the ST as a chance to course correct and put the PT in the rearview mirror for good. And let's be real, it's only been in the past few years that a lot of fans have stopped scapegoating HC and welcomed him back into the fold, rightly redirecting their PT ire at Lucas's atrocious writing/dialogue instead.
 
So weird, reminds me I once got this crazy space-mail:
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Princess of Naboo.
Do you think there's a family connection?
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Why did they create the character of Ahsoka in the first place for the Clone Wars?

The sale of the Star Wars franchise and the courtship around that took a while. Contractually, there are "no go zones" unless Lucas approves. In effect, there is lots of fertile ground for storylines that can't get made without Lucas giving it a green light. For example, The Big Mouse can't just up and totally remake A New Hope next year.

In effect, if you were making Star Wars anything back in 2008, you had to keep one eye open for creating characters that would not be choked out in the future by potential legal complications.

A pretty classic case of this is Tom Clancy and the Jack Ryan character. Long ago, Clancy was in talks to buy the NFL's Minnesota Vikings. During hard vetting and discovery within that, it was evident that he was cheating on his wife. In the ensuing divorce proceedings, the "Jack Ryan" character became a legal point of dispute. The character was created during the actual timeline of the marriage. Thus Clancy created and expanded Rainbow Six. The Rainbow Six novel brought back John Clark and Ding Chavez as the main characters, and had a separate storyline in the Jack Ryan universe. This was back when Clancy stuff was red hot. And to stall more books, video games, concepts, films, etc, etc would be disastrous financially for lots of people involved. If you don't write about Jack Ryan at all, for a while, you don't have split half or more than half of the proceeds linked to Jack Ryan with your embattled future ex spouse.

I'm not a fan of The Big Mouse and Kathleen Kennedy and generally what's going on with Star Wars and it's current failures. But Lucas is not without accountability here too. IMHO, part of the distinction is that Lucas has great creative vision and he can make some great superficial spectacle ( I love the Holy Trilogy, I'm not taking that from him) but he's not some locked in infallible creative genius. Now Ralph McQuarrie, that guy was a pure all out non stop creative genius. Lawrence Kasdan and Brian DePalma, part of the original brain trust for the Holy Trilogy, those guys are in the range of what I'd call creative geniuses.

Lucas is a narcissist. And in the 70's, people and the culture were less suited to handle narcissists. It looks like being fearless to many people. In today's time, I don't think Lucas would have gotten as far as he did. Not just because everything is harder to do and costs more, but because in general, more people are more informed, and Lucas would just look like another industry grifter.

Maybe one of the saddest points in Star Wars fandom, that most people don't quite see at first, is when David Fincher's vision for a potential sequel trilogy was treated as non viable. Because there are legacy ties, Fincher would have gotten far more creative freedom than just about anyone else on tap back then. As the rumor goes, Fincher had a much more practical take on where the Star Wars legacy would go post Jedi ( i.e. the last functional narrative thread for conflict was Lando) Also many people wanted, very strongly, Jesse Plemons and Jessica Henwick to be the leads. We aren't talking Fat Todd from Breaking Bad version of Plemons, we are talking the version of Plemons that came from Peter Berg's Friday Night Lights. Most people here have seen Henwick in Iron Fist, and she is literally the best thing about it.

"Avatar" characters can be really dangerous for high level creatives. Hermoine Granger from the Harry Potter series is an avatar of JK Rowling. She's just a character approximation of how Rowling remembers and perceives her own childhood growing up. Hence Hermoine, in the books, gets into strange things like the Elf Liberation Front and gets dragged into tabloids as a "bad girl" who corrupts Harry Potter. For Shonda Rhimes, it's Dr Miranda Bailey in Greys Anatomy. For Chris Carter, it's the Cigarette Smoking Man ( and his failed writing career) in X Files. If you can balance out an avatar character, as a writer, it can be pretty useful.

So how this breaks down is Daisy Ridley/Rey is an avatar of Kathleen Kennedy. So, to point, someone like Kennedy, that level of malignant narcissism, can't envision her character version of herself being a mudblood like Henwick. Or kissing someone on screen like Plemons. I really enjoy Adam Driver as a performer, I think he's usually very good. Limited range but good. But he's not a great casting fit as Kylo Ren IMHO. But someone like Kennedy can see the young version of her character self kissing someone who looks like Adam Driver.

If Fincher cannot do his own casting, he's just not going to really play ball. So that was that. Can you imagine the kind of well rounded purposeful efficient storytelling we'd get from a pure David Fincher Sequel Trilogy. And the carefully curated visual aesthetics we'd get.

You'll say that there's no way that people can be this petty and this stupid, when this much money, power and legacy are at stake. But it's just people. Famous wealthy powerful connected people are just people too. They cheat, they have heartbreak, they fall in love, they cry, they need lots of real therapy, they have family problems, they get sick, they sink into cognitive dissonance, they self destruct. Think about every place you've ever worked in your life. And the quiet chaos that most outsiders never got to see but you might have seen every single day. Even look at this hobby sometimes. Not everyone but sometimes lots of people. Yes, people can really be that petty and stupid sometimes. But in this case, real legacy fans paid for it. People who grew up and loved all this.
 
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That’s it say goodbye to the ST and Rey at Disneyland it will no longer be that dumb smugglers run crap and will now be Mando and Grogu based starting after the movie comes out.
 
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They can retcon in all the "*supposedly surviving Jedi" and poop them back into "reality", with space whales, time portals, calling them something else, dark, grey, medium, mild, Jedi on-a-break, whatever t-F they want, yet anything that contradicts, or $#!ts on this fact, Is implicitly alternate canon.:lol
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*(Cue; the usual except Leia contradicts it. No, she was not a Jedi yet, the whole point of the scene and next line is "pass on what you have learned", (it's why they hinged the future on Luke). There were no other Jedi left.
I mean he did write around it by making her leave the Jedi order behind and no longer identify with it.

Ezra is gone. And Cal also decides to leave the order behind - we also don’t know what happens to him yet.
"When gone am I, last of the lightsaber wielding Force users that actually calls himself a Jedi will you be."
Extended: "When gone am I the last of the... ightsaber wielding Force user ...that wasn't on a break, sucked through a time portal, or riding space whales to another galaxy, ...that still calls ...or identifies as a Jedi will you be."

The more Filoni "creates", the caveats just keep getting more absurd.
I guess we can add: : "When gone am I the last of the... ightsaber wielding Force user ...that wasn't on a break, sucked through a time portal, riding space whales to another galaxy, ...that still calls ...or identifies as a Jedi, who wasn't in a suburban prison, ... will you be."


 
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