I didn't wanna bring that up because it was kind of a sweet moment.
and technically Arthur wasn't forced. lolm
Joker: Folie à Deux
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and technically Arthur wasn't forced. lolm
It’s not about seeing the
psychopath win or not,
they never do in film.
At least not without being rectified.
What it is about though,
is seeing a proper cohesive story about a larger than life supervillain who’s down on his luck when we meet them, he accepts it, then spirals out of control.
No longer worrying about any consequences because in their mind they’ve endured enough consequences, what’s a little more for a little fun.
You’re not meant to morally agree with everything
you see on screen, or in real life.
Doesn’t mean you can’t naturally be fascinated by it, after all they raise us that way with our entertainment, our daily life, news coverage.
But I’ll bate you,
the amount of violence in V for Vendetta,
the many who view the character as an idol.
What’s the difference?
What’s the difference in watching a Predator skin a soldier alive and hang them from a tree? Any mob flick prior to 2005..
Cinema has been violent since its debut,
and before it? They cheered fights on in real life, gladiator matches, bar brawls to alleyways.. Now big matches to bet on while we watch someone’s face get caved in on live tv, turning them into a vegetable.
I don’t see your point.
You offer two characters with different traits,
people are going to naturally lean towards someone they can relate to a bit easier, in an attempt to have a better chance at following the film and its protagonist / antagonist.
Not a lot of people relate to Bruce Wayne,
Thomas Wayne, and they never killed anyone.
psychopath win or not,
they never do in film.
At least not without being rectified.
What it is about though,
is seeing a proper cohesive story about a larger than life supervillain who’s down on his luck when we meet them, he accepts it, then spirals out of control.
No longer worrying about any consequences because in their mind they’ve endured enough consequences, what’s a little more for a little fun.
You’re not meant to morally agree with everything
you see on screen, or in real life.
Doesn’t mean you can’t naturally be fascinated by it, after all they raise us that way with our entertainment, our daily life, news coverage.
But I’ll bate you,
the amount of violence in V for Vendetta,
the many who view the character as an idol.
What’s the difference?
What’s the difference in watching a Predator skin a soldier alive and hang them from a tree? Any mob flick prior to 2005..
Cinema has been violent since its debut,
and before it? They cheered fights on in real life, gladiator matches, bar brawls to alleyways.. Now big matches to bet on while we watch someone’s face get caved in on live tv, turning them into a vegetable.
I don’t see your point.
You offer two characters with different traits,
people are going to naturally lean towards someone they can relate to a bit easier, in an attempt to have a better chance at following the film and its protagonist / antagonist.
Not a lot of people relate to Bruce Wayne,
Thomas Wayne, and they never killed anyone.
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predator wasn't worshipped by trump supporters
You wanna know how I got these scars?
No -- but I know how you got these!!!!
An unstoppable force meets an impenetrable object!
No -- but I know how you got these!!!!
An unstoppable force meets an impenetrable object!
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So you loved it then?
xXJ0kerXx1
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the more the movie sits with me, the more I kinda like it
I don't really get the hate for it, but maybe I'm biased. spoken to a friend who's equally a die-hard fan of the first movie as me and we share differing opinions about the sequel. i like it and he absolutely loathes it for what they did to arthur by retconning his arc even if it was purely a negative path he took
i can't ever imagine this joker ever going out of his way to truly harm people who don't "deserve" it, but i guess the last part when he kills the doctor at the end of the first movie says otherwise. i just think it makes sense to have all of that adrenaline die down after that big talk show night and for him to rot and revert back to his old self
****** should've strangled lee to death after what she put him through.
A character regression is brand s*icide here.
You have to realize the audience did a lot of patiently waiting as the first film set everything in motion.
The way Arthur’s pain was drug out,
almost the entirety of the pictures run time,
it was a tough mental battle to watch.
So you have to reward your audience somehow.
The character you have chosen happens to be The Joker. This is not an obscure comic character no one’s ever heard of that only a diehard obsessive would know to complain that you’ve changed their DNA.
Add your nuances, your subtle character tics,
being sure not to ride too close to a prefabricated story told once before.
A Joker without a punchline isn’t much of a Joke at all. I should not feel sad and depressed 100% of the time watching a character as wild as the Joker.
You’re writing with a character as free as the Joker and yet you tie an anchor at his ankle for all to see, for two films. No punchline, no payoff, bleak depression. If I had to tell you how this Joker made me feel,
I’d just point to the ending and how drawn out it is.
You have to realize the audience did a lot of patiently waiting as the first film set everything in motion.
The way Arthur’s pain was drug out,
almost the entirety of the pictures run time,
it was a tough mental battle to watch.
So you have to reward your audience somehow.
The character you have chosen happens to be The Joker. This is not an obscure comic character no one’s ever heard of that only a diehard obsessive would know to complain that you’ve changed their DNA.
Add your nuances, your subtle character tics,
being sure not to ride too close to a prefabricated story told once before.
A Joker without a punchline isn’t much of a Joke at all. I should not feel sad and depressed 100% of the time watching a character as wild as the Joker.
You’re writing with a character as free as the Joker and yet you tie an anchor at his ankle for all to see, for two films. No punchline, no payoff, bleak depression. If I had to tell you how this Joker made me feel,
I’d just point to the ending and how drawn out it is.
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jye4ever
Broke and happy
This Joker was very penetrable…very very penetrable!
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denrep-lilium
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"Marching In" by Isaac Asimov gives another dimension to the Arkham Asylum in Folie à Deux.
Also, there is a very playful reference to both The Jam version of That’s Entertainment and to the personal story of Judy Garland and, surely, The Wizard of Oz. This movie is anything but stupid.
Also, there is a very playful reference to both The Jam version of That’s Entertainment and to the personal story of Judy Garland and, surely, The Wizard of Oz. This movie is anything but stupid.
jye4ever
Broke and happy
While it might not be stupid it is the MOST POINTLESS movie ever made about the Joker that is called JOKER!!!
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I don’t think I’ll have to watch this movie to know if it actually sucks, literally wtf is this?
WB greed backfired on them, they should’ve been happy with the success of the first. It was a perfect standalone film, now completely ruined by a crap musical.
WB greed backfired on them, they should’ve been happy with the success of the first. It was a perfect standalone film, now completely ruined by a crap musical.
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Now he confirms that his joker was never meant to be the joker. Bro that’s so dumb 
. Not only is it a waste of time but the “real” joker is just then some copy cat non original dude who didn’t come up with his clown persona on his own.
lol WB is the dumbest studio ever
. Not only is it a waste of time but the “real” joker is just then some copy cat non original dude who didn’t come up with his clown persona on his own. lol WB is the dumbest studio ever
That’s the best part, sadly.
You know your Joker film is **** when the only moment your audience feels alive is when a washed pop star is doing broadway to pad out the runtime.
Arthur is special needs in this,
the way he’s easily talked into walking into his death by a guard, which the audience had to of seen coming a mile away when the guard says there’s someone here for you and walks further ahead of him out of frame.
Piss poor direction.
The Clown Prince of Crime
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I was watching the last 25 minutes of the first Joker film and it's so great. I'm just going to pretend this sequel never happened, jut like I do with most Terminator films after T2.
denrep-lilium
Super Freak
I'll just wait for cheap Jokers 
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