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Regarding the DD figure, I considered selling my Netflix HT off when Born Again was confirmed but, I saw a leak of the costume and thought it’s a little too bright for me, and I simply can’t trust that Disney won’t botch this. I love the Netflix show, and that iteration of the character- even though the figure is lacking- deserves to remain in my display.
This.

I think the OG DD figure with a body mod would still be preferable to me.

I’m sure the new figure will be awesome and will smoke the OG figure in terms of improvements, modern day techniques, etc, but the figure on my shelf needs to be from something I legit like. I’m personally reluctant to even watch Born Again out of fear it won’t hit like the original Netflix show. Like you said, I think they’ll botch it, just like other Legacy characters that have been botched by Disney…
 
I’ve been rewatching Netflix DD in preparation for Born Again (Yes, I’m going to risk it) and that first season is just exceptional TV.
I’ve held it in my head as one of the best live action Marvel projects but I’d forgotten just how great it is. I might have to place it above everything from the MCU.

Good luck, Disney… Nothing you’ve made thus far tells me you can rise to the occasion.
 
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There’s actually a degree of truth in this- especially regarding Punisher- but the shame comes from the creatives.
There's the constant attempt to ground the characters in 'reality' too. I do think Charlie-devil would look weird with double Ds in-universe.
His skull symbol has frequently been adopted by the US military and more recently the police force in response to movements like defund the police, antifa, BLM etc.

Naturally this resulted in it being deemed a symbol of hate, fascism, corrupt misuse of power, justification for police brutality, and all the other isms.
I can see its use in the military within certain contexts, but police are civil servants with a longstanding PR problem. Adopting an aggressive and self-righteous symbol like that is shortsighted at best.
This negative perception of Punisher simply isn’t compatible with the prevailing ideology at Disney. Will they want to glorify what they perceive as the poster boy of their political enemies?
Without veering too far into politics, I think the salient point is that Punisher is a violent vigilante working outside the law. The character is what it is, a revenge fantasy amongst other things. There is a line between what he does and what a civil servant operating within legal boundaries does, and I think we're seeing that line get crossed (but to the extreme as plot dictates) with
the tatooed murder cops that tried to kill Matt. Not very subtle or nuanced but hey, it's Disney.
I look forward to finally seeing him go to therapy and cry about his woes so his healing journey as a vegan pacifist can begin in Born Again…
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I like how this suit looks in the trailers. I will reserve judgment until I see the proportions as in this isometric top-down pic it looks slightly off.

As for the lack of a "DD" I get it, I wish it were there too. I also realize how silly it would look in live action. I wish the designers were a little creative and crafted the DD but do it slightly raised (like braille) to give a clever nod and show it subtly but not overwhelming.
 
I like how this suit looks in the trailers. I will reserve judgment until I see the proportions as in this isometric top-down pic it looks slightly off.
I wonder if it'll be as restrictive as the other suit (the first one, no idea about the yellow) or maybe a little more like Deadpool which I think has more movement?
 
There’s actually a degree of truth in this- especially regarding Punisher- but the shame comes from the creatives.

His skull symbol has frequently been adopted by the US military and more recently the police force in response to movements like defund the police, antifa, BLM etc.

Naturally this resulted in it being deemed a symbol of hate, fascism, corrupt misuse of power, justification for police brutality, and all the other isms.

I mostly see it on gym gear coz skulls are striking and cool and wearing it makes you feel badass.

This negative perception of Punisher simply isn’t compatible with the prevailing ideology at Disney. Will they want to glorify what they perceive as the poster boy of their political enemies?
I look forward to finally seeing him go to therapy and cry about his woes so his healing journey as a vegan pacifist can begin in Born Again…
Oh yes, I know all about Marvel’s shame in Punisher, after Jason Aaron’s atrocious run where he butchered, emasculated, and destroyed the character.

But when DD season 2 came out, all that shame wasn’t a thing yet in 2016 (at least not to my knowledge) but Punisher still didn’t rock the skull until way late near the end of the season. Also in Punisher season 1, he refused to wear the skull until the end of the season.

And Jon Bernthal Punisher did attend a therapy session with other vets to talk about his feelings at the end of season 1, so you’re not far off there lol. I HATED season 1. It’s amazing how a show about a character can get the character so wrong and not understand said character.
 
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I like how this suit looks in the trailers. I will reserve judgment until I see the proportions as in this isometric top-down pic it looks slightly off.

As for the lack of a "DD" I get it, I wish it were there too. I also realize how silly it would look in live action. I wish the designers were a little creative and crafted the DD but do it slightly raised (like braille) to give a clever nod and show it subtly but not overwhelming.
The DDs are buckles on his belt.
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Oh yes, I know all about Marvel’s shame in Punisher, after Jason Aaron’s atrocious run where he butchered, emasculated, and destroyed the character.

But when DD season 2 came out, all that shame wasn’t a thing yet in 2016 (at least not to my knowledge) but Punisher still did rock the skull until way late near the end of the season. Also in Punisher season 1, he refused to wear the skull until the end of the season.

And Jon Bernthal Punisher did attend a therapy session with other vets to talk about his feelings at the end of season 1, so you’re not far off there lol. I HATED season 1. It’s amazing how a show about a character can get the character so wrong and not understand said character.
I think people are reading way too much into this. The Netflix series were meant to take place in a much more grounded world, and so it just never made sense that a couple of no nonsense characters like Matt and Frank would want to run around 24/7 with cheesy logos on their chest.

Not to mention that Matt barely even seemed to acknowledge the Daredevil name that the press gave him.
 
I think people are reading way too much into this. The Netflix series were meant to take place in a much more grounded world, and so it just never made sense that a couple of no nonsense characters like Matt and Frank would want to run around 24/7 with cheesy logos on their chest.

Not to mention that Matt barely even seemed to acknowledge the Daredevil name that the press gave him.
I know they were trying to be grounded, but the skull is Punisher’s symbol. And he burned it 10 mins into his show and didn’t put it on again until the end. It’s like the show was afraid to let him be the Punisher because they’re trying to make him more relatable and palpable to the public.
 
I know they were trying to be grounded, but the skull is Punisher’s symbol. And he burned it 10 mins into his show and didn’t put it on again until the end. It’s like the show was afraid to let him be the Punisher because they’re trying to make him more relatable and palpable to the public.
Given that Punisher is an unhinged, remorseless killer wearing a skull symbol actually makes sense for him in-universe.
 
I have no problem with Punisher wearing the Punisher symbol. I also don't have a problem with him not wearing it. The symbol represents Punisher's perceived failure of "law and order" to protect and serve. It works for the story, because the story is one of murderous revenge, not justice or law. The problem is when law enforcement start wearing that symbol. They are supposed to be upholding the law, not cosplaying murder fantasy. It speaks volumes that a group that claims "to protect and serve" makes a hero of an extrajudicial murderer. That is terrifying. Punisher is great fictional character, but not one we should aspire to be.

Anyway, I actually like the brighter red of this new Daredevil suit. I didn't watch it last night, so I'm looking forward to checking it out tonight.
 
I have no problem with Punisher wearing the Punisher symbol. I also don't have a problem with him not wearing it. The symbol represents Punisher's perceived failure of "law and order" to protect and serve. It works for the story, because the story is one of murderous revenge, not justice or law. The problem is when law enforcement start wearing that symbol. They are supposed to be upholding the law, not cosplaying murder fantasy. It speaks volumes that a group that claims "to protect and serve" makes a hero of an extrajudicial murderer. That is terrifying. Punisher is great fictional character, but not one we should aspire to be.
The skull symbol to the police and military represents dedication to the mission, whether that be apprehension of criminals for police or destroying your enemies for military. It’s a symbol of never retreating and always finishing the mission, much like the Punisher. The police don’t use the symbol as a sign that they want to kill the criminals. It’s just their life long dedication to oppose criminals.
 
I know they were trying to be grounded, but the skull is Punisher’s symbol. And he burned it 10 mins into his show and didn’t put it on again until the end. It’s like the show was afraid to let him be the Punisher because they’re trying to make him more relatable and palpable to the public.
Well he was still shooting people in the face, so I don't think they were that concerned about relatability. And I didn't follow the comics, but the Frank that Bernthal played was someone who did occasionally struggle with his Punisher persona and violent sociopathic nature.

Plus most of the time we see him he's trying to be incognito, so having a giant skull on his chest would kind of defeat that.
 
The skull symbol to the police and military represents dedication to the mission, whether that be apprehension of criminals for police or destroying your enemies for military. It’s a symbol of never retreating and always finishing the mission, much like the Punisher. The police don’t use the symbol as a sign that they want to kill the criminals. It’s just their life long dedication to oppose criminals.
The PUNISHER doesn't represent getting the job done. He represents killing bad guys. Punisher doesn't "oppose" criminals. He kills them. Your argument would work better if they were using something like Green Lantern as a symbol. Will power and dedication is actually a Green Lantern thing, and they're already cops. I suppose it's possible they just really don't understand what it means, but it looks bad.
 
The police don’t use the symbol as a sign that they want to kill the criminals. It’s just their life long dedication to oppose criminals.
Whatever the justification, it's in poor taste and out of alignment with the job and with public perception. And while I understand the risks and sacrifices made by law enforcement, I would never compare that to military personnel.

Conflating civil servants with war-fighters just opens up a hundred cans of worms.

Oh no, police don't get to use skull symbols? Maybe they should channel that into cosplay on their spare time.
 
Whatever the justification, it's in poor taste and out of alignment with the job and with public perception. And while I understand the risks and sacrifices made by law enforcement, I would never compare that to military personnel.

Conflating civil servants with war-fighters just opens up a hundred cans of worms.

Oh no, police don't get to use skull symbols? Maybe they should channel that into cosplay on their spare time.
Agreed. I don't need officers who are supposed to protect and serve displaying symbolic representations of violent vigilantism. If you see an officer displaying that, their mentality is misaligned and they probably shouldn't be doing the job.
 
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