12 shot dead at movie theater

[thenammagazine]

Edit... Saw Irish beat me to it. What you said doesn't contradict in any way what that guys pic states.

BS, it contradicts illogical thinking.

 

[ProgMatinee]

With the added bit of information about the militia, IMO it reduces the point that the guns are what prevent the crime (as people in this thread sorta infer).

I wonder how much has to do with the country taking the time to empower their citizens, train them, and basically show them they're important to the societal structure and not out there as loners with no place in the society.

 

[floppy hat jon]

What's inaccurate about the 2 statements themselves? They're facts.

They are not facts. They issue guns to anyone in the militia, which is most men, true, but very few women. They have a very responsible gun culture, why can't we be honest about it?

 

[AllisonAmy]

A mom that wrote into CNN.

Thanks for sharing that.

 

[BadMoon]

Thanks for sharing that.

You're welcome.

 

[BadMoon]

They are not facts. They issue guns to anyone in the militia, which is most men, true, but very few women. They have a very responsible gun culture, why can't we be honest about it?

You keep using that word. I don't think it means what you think it means.

 

[floppy hat jon]

You keep using that word. I don't think it means what you think it means.

Enlighten me.

 

[karamazov80]

What's inaccurate about the 2 statements themselves? They're facts.

Edit... Saw Irish beat me to it. What you said doesn't contradict in any way what that guys pic states.

Yes. The primary issue isn't with gun policy, but with culture and economics. Because again, the gun violence epidemic in the U.S. does not have anything to do with crazies doing crazy ____. Those are extreme outliers, extremely rare, and no more likely to happen here than in any other country you want to pick at random. It has to do with poor, young, black males shooting each other. That's what drives the statistics. It is a serious problem, yes, but isn't related to the Colorado incident. And since culture is so different, I do question the extent to which you can say that gun policy in one country should yield the same results in another country--it is possible that gun control could work here if we could just enforce it with populations that shoot each other. But clearly, there is a more fundamental issue that needs to be addressed if we want to solve the problem of gun-related violence in the U.S. Idiotic political commentators are completely off the mark on both sides, as usual.

 

[thenammagazine]

With the added bit of information about the militia, IMO it reduces the point that the guns are what prevent the crime (as people in this thread sorta infer).

I wonder how much has to do with the country taking the time to empower their citizens, train them, and basically show them they're important to the societal structure and not out there as loners with no place in the society.

You're wrong on a very primal level. Thieves and criminals are less likely to attack someone who's armed than they are someone who isn't.

 

[floppy hat jon]

You're wrong on a very primal level. Thieves and criminals are less likely to attack someone who's armed than they are someone who isn't.

I don`t see why both can`t be true. Instinctually, both make some sense to me.

 

[ProgMatinee]

You're wrong on a very primal level. Thieves and criminals are less likely to attack someone who's armed than they are someone who isn't.

I didn't imply they weren't.

My question is, is that the only reason that makes the 2 Switzerland facts correlated?

Or could it also be that actual process of militia training (and responsibility/duty) and everything that may entail (not just how to discharge a weapon) has made their society more respectful for each other's property and life?

 

[hairlesswookiee]

That punishment that they laid down only hurts the students and future students.

I'm glad I"m the only one that thinks this.

 

[The Ween]

I'm glad I"m the only one that thinks this.

And now the school is being sued, so there's even more cost that will be past down to the students. The tuition is going to go up for sure.

 

[DarthNeil]

Yes. The primary issue isn't with gun policy, but with culture and economics. Because again, the gun violence epidemic in the U.S. does not have anything to do with crazies doing crazy ____. Those are extreme outliers, extremely rare, and no more likely to happen here than in any other country you want to pick at random. It has to do with poor, young, black males shooting each other. That's what drives the statistics. It is a serious problem, yes, but isn't related to the Colorado incident. And since culture is so different, I do question the extent to which you can say that gun policy in one country should yield the same results in another country--it is possible that gun control could work here if we could just enforce it with populations that shoot each other. But clearly, there is a more fundamental issue that needs to be addressed if we want to solve the problem of gun-related violence in the U.S. Idiotic political commentators are completely off the mark on both sides, as usual.

Switzerland also enjoys universal health care... But that makes them a bunch of socialists, and weak... like hippy-tree hugging Canada.



There are bigger issues here and pointing to a country with a low crime rate/gun violence and saying that it's because everyone's strapped is a simple, albeit, nice solution. Maybe it's a combination of mutually assured protection AND an educated population where people make sure that everyone has equal health benefits? Maybe.

 

[thenammagazine]

I didn't imply they weren't.

My question is, is that the only reason that makes the 2 Switzerland facts correlated?

Or could it also be that actual process of militia training (and responsibility/duty) and everything that may entail (not just how to discharge a weapon) has made their society more respectful for each other's property and life?

That's possible. But again, someone who's armed, beit with weapons, martial arts, or even a superior intellect, has a lesser chance of becoming a victim than someone who isn't. Criminals prey on the weak.

Switzerland also enjoys universal health care... But that makes them a bunch of socialists, and weak... like hippy-tree hugging Canada.



There are bigger issues here and pointing to a country with a low crime rate/gun violence and saying that it's because everyone's strapped is a simple, albeit, nice solution. Maybe it's a combination of mutually assured protection AND an educated population where people make sure that everyone has equal health benefits? Maybe.

Good point ya damn hippy.

 

[Niltusk]

Where do these dip____s crawl out of?

https://m.complex.com/city-guide/2012/07/man-in-maine-arrested-after-watching-the-dark-knight-rises

 

[Centurion]

Where do these dip____s crawl out of?

https://m.complex.com/city-guide/2012/07/man-in-maine-arrested-after-watching-the-dark-knight-rises

Oh boy! Here we go again!

 

[hairlesswookiee]

Where do these dip____s crawl out of?

https://m.complex.com/city-guide/2012/07/man-in-maine-arrested-after-watching-the-dark-knight-rises

He looks like a winner.

 

[thenammagazine]

Where do these dip____s crawl out of?

https://m.complex.com/city-guide/2012/07/man-in-maine-arrested-after-watching-the-dark-knight-rises

The go-to insanity plea.

I wonder if this is blown out of proportion though. Any current newspaper will have an article about the shooting and the press might be embellishing it a bit by saying "clippings" vs. newspaper.

 

[hairlesswookiee]

Interesting.

Colorado shooting suspect James Holmes was a patient of a University of Colorado psychiatrist before last week's attack at a movie theater that killed 12 people and wounded scores, according to a court document filed Friday by his public lawyers.
The disclosure was in a request by Holmes for authorities to immediately hand over a package he sent to Dr. Lynne Fenton at the university's Anschutz Medical Campus.
According to Holmes' request, the package seized by authorities under a July 23 search warrant was a protected communication.
"The materials contained in that package include communications from Mr. Holmes to Dr. Fenton that Mr. Holmes asserts are privileged," said the document filed by public defenders representing Holmes. "Mr. Holmes was a psychiatric patient of Dr. Fenton, and his communications with her are protected."
In response, prosecutors asked for District Court Judge William Blair Sylvester to deny the request by Holmes, saying it contained inaccuracies including claims of media leaks by government officials that in reality may have been fabricated by news organizations.
Sylvester granted a hearing on the request for Monday, the same day that Holmes is scheduled to be formally charged in the case.

https://www.cnn.com/2012/07/27/justice/colorado-theater-shooting/index.html?hpt=hp_t1