3.75" Collecting Thread

[TheDucky]

And actually what are you talking about? 3.75 gets pinned joints when Hasbro gives them double joints


You're used to seeing the pins on 6 inch and not 3.75 because 6 inch consistently has more articulation than 3.75. So more pins. But again, Hasbro is updating the articulation for 6 inch to get rid of those pins while 3.75 cant even get rocker ankles anymore lol.



And I say, in the future. Because things take time. Again, you're being incredibly short sighted if you think the line on life support is not going to be outdone by the line consistently almost all new figures.

Someone on JTA argued with me that we wont everbget willrow hood in 6 inch as an example. Yet he was very close to being made for THIS wave. He will come too, given time, just like all things.

You have to look beyond you're own bias and remember the amount of time it took for 3.75 to build itself up. Not to mention how many of those figures now are completely obsolete.

It’s not being bias or short sighted, it’s called being realistic. It’s downright foolish to think you’re going to get 20+ Padme Black Series figures. It’s ridiculous to expect that from a 6” line. Hell, does Captain America even have 20 different variations from Marvel Legends?

Does anyone else in this thread think you are going to get a Chancellor Valorum in 6”? Or a Rabe? A Sabe?

 

[ShootingtheGalaxy]

It?s not being bias or short sighted, it?s called being realistic. It?s downright foolish to think you?re going to get 20+ Padme Black Series figures. It?s ridiculous to expect that from a 6? line. Hell, does Captain America even have 20 different variations from Marvel Legends?

Does anyone else in this thread think you are going to get a Chancellor Valorum in 6?? Or a Rabe? A Sabe?

Actually yeah funny you mention Captain America, has around 15 to 20 different figures in ML. One for every film he's in, and some films have multiple looks. Like the First film he has the classic suit, army helmet suit and final suit just in that one movie and they all have figures. Plus battle damage variations have figures too. And then if you add the comic versions theres even more.

You give absolutely no reason why 6 inch wont have the characters you mention except that its 6 inch. Thats why you're biased.

Theres no reasonable explanation why they wont make those characters. Eventually they're going to run out of primary characters and costumes.

We have two padme and have a 3rd teased. I bet you thought you'd never see a red dress queen amidala as a 6 inch figure either.

 

[greedo737]

But those are import figures, no? Not hasbro.

 

[ShootingtheGalaxy]

But those are import figures, no? Not hasbro.

Why does it matter? They're still 6 inch. That's one of the strengths of 6 inch. Multiple companies to choose from. They're officially licensed 6 inch scale star wars products. Cant ignore that.

 

[a-dev]

That's the other thing, the other reason it'd be dangerous for me to make the jump - those other companies making figures - I've seen them and thought they looked really good. I'd be buying everything. I need to buy less stuff not more. Sticking with the dying 3.75'' is my way of buying less and ultimately probably quitting Star Wars altogether.

This thread has moved fast today, a lot of good banter and conversation. I'm failing to address everything I wanted to.

 

[a-dev]

Great joints on those figures^ While I can see them they don't seem to be disrupting the silhouette of the figure or giving it a lumpy anatomy as can happen in bad cases.

 

[a-dev]

Re: 3.75" Collecting Thread

They even dropped the 1/4 scale Terminator apparently. Really thought a 1/4 Steel Mill T-800 and Tech Noir were going to happen. It sucks that the line died after exclusive John and a couple of dumb Kenner variants.

Dark Fate did us no favours at all. In theory a new movie is supposed to draw attention back to the IP but this was not the kind of attention you want. I worry it's only gone and killed what remaining interest there may have been from the casuals who NECA seem to want over and above the faithful hardcores.

If you have the room to display massive dioramas without looking like a hoarder than yes 3.75 is unbeatable. But otherwise? 6 inch is where its at.

This struck a chord. Before I moved and before everything went into various attics over the years - my SW collection - which I thought looked great at the time - I now realize, having recently found some old pics, was a cluttered, kiddy mess. When I reinstate Star Wars in my final shelves I don't want it looking like that again. I'll be getting rid of a lot of stuff but I may have to add a good bit more to that pile so as to bring what I'm keeping down to a more attractive quantity.

*Watches DiFabio stumble in defending 6 inch.*

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA.

Look good against Marvel Legends is one thing. Good against vintage Star Wars? That's something else.

Once again you picked up on another reference

This won't happen. There are hundreds upon hundreds of unique figures in the 3.75" line. We won't get 25% of that in the Black Series. Go scroll through jedibusiness by movie and see all the unique figures. Hell, just look at all the different Padme's. Those won't happen.

3.75 Star Wars depth will be unmatched by any toy line ever.

It may go deep but there's 2 factors to consider:

- the SW universe being so much bigger now than it was before - it seems like it would take much longer for any one movie to receive as many different figures as, say ANH or Jedi have at 3.75'' as of 2020

- presumably the same business factors come into play as always have done - i.e you can't just bombard the market with obscure character after obscure character. Core characters have to be kept in constant rotation - fine in the early years when you haven't made them all yet but eventually they do get to them all and their repetition starts to piss the long-term collectors off - but Hasbro keeps them going for casuals, impulse buyers and new fans and it slows the output of the coveted backgrounders.

So these are the two reasons why, even if the line does go deep, it's gonna take a loooonnng time to get where the 3.75'' line did.

 

[TaliBane]

And actually what are you talking about? 3.75 gets pinned joints when Hasbro gives them double joints

You're used to seeing the pins on 6 inch and not 3.75 because 6 inch consistently has more articulation than 3.75. So more pins. But again, Hasbro is updating the articulation for 6 inch to get rid of those pins while 3.75 cant even get rocker ankles anymore lol.
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Not sure we're talking about the same thing. What I mean is that years before the 6" figs even showed up, Hasbro had perfected hidden knee joints. The two 3 3/4" figs - Luke Dagobah landing and Saga vintage Bossk - show what I mean.

They can bend their knees and you see bare minimum of articulation joints (a couple of lines, very slight gap,) whereas years later on the 6" they used the big clunky "knee pad" thing at the front, as well as this unsightly two-gap hinge with very visible holes above and below the joint.

What I mean is if they had solved hidden knees years earlier on a (presumably more difficult) smaller figure, why couldn't the newer/larger 6" figs have had the same joint type (and perhaps refined even more)?

And in this case, the two 4" figures were overall more faithful reproductions of the characters - the 4" Luke headsculpt was better than the first 6" Luke version, and just like IG-88 something went wrong with 6" Bossk in multiple ways, so the 4" figure from close to ten years earlier I think looks better in some ways.

 

[TheDucky]

Actually yeah funny you mention Captain America, has around 15 to 20 different figures in ML. One for every film he's in, and some films have multiple looks. Like the First film he has the classic suit, army helmet suit and final suit just in that one movie and they all have figures. Plus battle damage variations have figures too. And then if you add the comic versions theres even more.

You give absolutely no reason why 6 inch wont have the characters you mention except that its 6 inch. Thats why you're biased.

Theres no reasonable explanation why they wont make those characters. Eventually they're going to run out of primary characters and costumes.

We have two padme and have a 3rd teased. I bet you thought you'd never see a red dress queen amidala as a 6 inch figure either.

That’s my point with Captain America. One of the most popular characters in Marvel, in the deepest 6” line ever (Marvel Legends) that gets constant figures, that has been around since 2002 or so... has 15 figures by my count. Now, what you are telling me, is that Padme Amidala, a B tier at best character, from a mixed review trilogy, will not only get 20 figures herself... but it will be quicker than what we got of her from all the 3.75” line... which was from 99-13, so 14 years or so. Do you see the problem here?

As far as my reason, I didn’t think I had to spell it out, but ok. Take the 100+ EU (now Legends) figures from Hasbro. When will we get figures of those? Sure, we got Jaina miraculously and then Revan, but that’s it. We won’t get stuff from that because Disney will rarely approve of it... only reason we got Revan is because KOTOR is somewhat canon and Jaina from a fan vote. So, is that not a reasonable explanation to you?

Now, take Rabe. Or a Pod Racer. Or Valorum. Or any of those obscure characters I mentioned. They all have limited screen time. Only appear in TPM. When selling toys, you need demand. A 3.75” line is different from a 6” line. It’s easier to make more background characters when there are 70+ figures a year, selling 5-10 a piece over the years. Is there a demand for Valorum? At $20? I mean hell, the guy only got one figure and that was when TPM launched. So, 20+ years later, $20 Valorum, you think he gets made? You think there is a demand for him now? You think he will get slotted in a line over a Clone Trooper repaint? Or a new updated Luke? You REALLY think that? You really think he will sell over whatever new Marvel Legend is on the shelf? You really think a 60 year old white guy politician from TPM, with limited screen time, will get a 6” figure that has limited space in the line? Is that not reasonable?

Now, take my random characters and multiply it by 8 groups, 8 groups of dozens upon dozens from 6 Movies, EU, and The Clone Wars TV Show. And you really think, out of the hundreds and hundreds of figures, we’ll get them all from 6”? They better get going on TCW styled 6” figures too.

I don’t think you even understand the vast amount of 3.75” figures there are. At all. Or realize that these things have to have appeal to kids and casual collectors too. There is a distinction in what sells or can be made at 3.75 compared to 6”. We have a brand new TV show out now and we got what, 4 figures from it? If this was 2007, with Mando launching, we would have the entire show in figure form by now at 3.75”. But in 6”, we’ll be lucky to get 5 more figures from that show.

I don’t know why you are always changing your argument either. First, we were talking about complete depth of 3.75 vs 6 and you changed it to “new stuff.” Obviously, 6” will outpace 3.75” stuff right now, but it will never outpace what 3.75 did overall. And as far as 6”, it was pretty clear it was TBS we were discussing, not imports. Even then, that’s even funnier if you think a $60 Valorum will sell

 

[DioramaMaker]

Fewer and fewer people want to spend $15 on a 3.75" figure when $20 gets you a bigger, more detailed figure.

 

[greedo737]

Why does it matter? They're still 6 inch. That's one of the strengths of 6 inch. Multiple companies to choose from. They're officially licensed 6 inch scale star wars products. Cant ignore that.

But ducky was taking about figures from hasbro. Not everyone can afford $90 import figures.

 

[jye4ever]

3.75" Collecting Thread

Holy crap the never ending battle just buy what you enjoy for crying out loud lol

If a-dev wants a semi updated Slave 1 for crazy prices and Terminator figures from NECAs original 1984 molds then that is his business, his money, his space.

If I want to throw money at Hasbro for a 6 inch Snow Speeder even though I know they will never grow that line beyond a niche marketing tool that is my business, my money, my space.

Khev when Talibane begins posting photos of Luke and Dak in the cockpit you will so not resist buying that Snow Speeder lol

Dew it Talibane!




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[greedo737]

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[Khev]

Yep even though 3.75 is my preferred scale for SW "toys" we'll see if I can pass on that awesome snowspeeder. I kind of regret not getting the 6 inch ST on dewback so there have been items that did win me over.

I would never collect 6 inch as a line but I think they can work nicely as part of a mixed scale display. Like say have the dewback or snowspeeder next to a 1:1 helmet, lightsaber, couple carded 3.75 and a statue or something.

 

[ShootingtheGalaxy]

Not sure we're talking about the same thing. What I mean is that years before the 6" figs even showed up, Hasbro had perfected hidden knee joints. The two 3 3/4" figs - Luke Dagobah landing and Saga vintage Bossk - show what I mean.

They can bend their knees and you see bare minimum of articulation joints (a couple of lines, very slight gap,) whereas years later on the 6" they used the big clunky "knee pad" thing at the front, as well as this unsightly two-gap hinge with very visible holes above and below the joint.

What I mean is if they had solved hidden knees years earlier on a (presumably more difficult) smaller figure, why couldn't the newer/larger 6" figs have had the same joint type (and perhaps refined even more)?

And in this case, the two 4" figures were overall more faithful reproductions of the characters - the 4" Luke headsculpt was better than the first 6" Luke version, and just like IG-88 something went wrong with 6" Bossk in multiple ways, so the 4" figure from close to ten years earlier I think looks better in some ways.

No we are talking about the same thing. Those 3.75 figures are single jointed knees compared to the black series which have double jointed the knees. The black series has waaaaay more range of motion because of this. That's why the Cave of Evil 3.75 Luke has the big pinned joints because they tried to give 3.75 more articulation but it looks even worse.

And now Hasbro is redesigning those double knees for 6 inch so they look as smooth as single jointed knees while retaining the double jointed range of motion

But ducky was taking about figures from hasbro. Not everyone can afford $90 import figures.

They cost $40 to $50 not $90. With shipping its $50 to $60. Some of them even cost $20 to $30 and are available here in the case of Bandai Action figure model kits. Regardless of price, it doesnt take away from the variety 6 inch has with company choices (and price ranges).

 

[Matt S]

$150 for Slave 1 seems outrageously priced.

and wave 2 of the retro line being a Walmart EX - argh!

 

[ShootingtheGalaxy]

That?s my point with Captain America. One of the most popular characters in Marvel, in the deepest 6? line ever (Marvel Legends) that gets constant figures, that has been around since 2002 or so... has 15 figures by my count. Now, what you are telling me, is that Padme Amidala, a B tier at best character, from a mixed review trilogy, will not only get 20 figures herself... but it will be quicker than what we got of her from all the 3.75? line... which was from 99-13, so 14 years or so. Do you see the problem here?

As far as my reason, I didn?t think I had to spell it out, but ok. Take the 100+ EU (now Legends) figures from Hasbro. When will we get figures of those? Sure, we got Jaina miraculously and then Revan, but that?s it. We won?t get stuff from that because Disney will rarely approve of it... only reason we got Revan is because KOTOR is somewhat canon and Jaina from a fan vote. So, is that not a reasonable explanation to you?

Now, take Rabe. Or a Pod Racer. Or Valorum. Or any of those obscure characters I mentioned. They all have limited screen time. Only appear in TPM. When selling toys, you need demand. A 3.75? line is different from a 6? line. It?s easier to make more background characters when there are 70+ figures a year, selling 5-10 a piece over the years. Is there a demand for Valorum? At $20? I mean hell, the guy only got one figure and that was when TPM launched. So, 20+ years later, $20 Valorum, you think he gets made? You think there is a demand for him now? You think he will get slotted in a line over a Clone Trooper repaint? Or a new updated Luke? You REALLY think that? You really think he will sell over whatever new Marvel Legend is on the shelf? You really think a 60 year old white guy politician from TPM, with limited screen time, will get a 6? figure that has limited space in the line? Is that not reasonable?

Now, take my random characters and multiply it by 8 groups, 8 groups of dozens upon dozens from 6 Movies, EU, and The Clone Wars TV Show. And you really think, out of the hundreds and hundreds of figures, we?ll get them all from 6?? They better get going on TCW styled 6? figures too.

I don?t think you even understand the vast amount of 3.75? figures there are. At all. Or realize that these things have to have appeal to kids and casual collectors too. There is a distinction in what sells or can be made at 3.75 compared to 6?. We have a brand new TV show out now and we got what, 4 figures from it? If this was 2007, with Mando launching, we would have the entire show in figure form by now at 3.75?. But in 6?, we?ll be lucky to get 5 more figures from that show.

I don?t know why you are always changing your argument either. First, we were talking about complete depth of 3.75 vs 6 and you changed it to ?new stuff.? Obviously, 6? will outpace 3.75? stuff right now, but it will never outpace what 3.75 did overall. And as far as 6?, it was pretty clear it was TBS we were discussing, not imports. Even then, that?s even funnier if you think a $60 Valorum will sell

I'm telling you that 6 inch will have OVERALL more depth than 3.75 in shorter time. In the roughly 6 years that The Black Series has existed it's put out around 260 unique figures. If you include the archive UPDATED repacks (Meaning archive line with new faces) or special paint chase variants (Carbonized) that number goes up to almost 300. And it's 6th year has only just begun with plenty more figures on the way.

To put that into perspective the original vintage line ran for almost twice that amount of time with about 1/3 of the amount of figures. The current staple of 3.75, the vintage collection, has about the same current life span of roughly 6 years. It has around 200 figures total and about 25 or more of those are just re-packs (with or without updated face paint like the black series archive line)

In a short amount of time, 6 inch has built up a vast amount of characters covering over 10 films and 3 television shows.

And new stuff still contributes to depth though. Thats depth of the newer stuff. 3.75 has depth of the older stuff. But if 3.75 continues at its pace and 6 inch now doesn't have new films to keep up with it will also begin to be depth of the older stuff. So yeah its still incredibly short sighted to not see how 6 inch will one day cover the depth 3.75 has. ESPECIALLY if 3.75 continues on it's current trajectory and even more so if it comes to an end all together (which it always seems to be on the verge of).

 

[jye4ever]

3.75" Collecting Thread

Yep even though 3.75 is my preferred scale for SW "toys" we'll see if I can pass on that awesome snowspeeder. I kind of regret not getting the 6 inch ST on dewback so there have been items that did win me over.

I would never collect 6 inch as a line but I think they can work nicely as part of a mixed scale display. Like say have the dewback or snowspeeder next to a 1:1 helmet, lightsaber, couple carded 3.75 and a statue or something.

$22.00 SHIPPED from EE! Not a small box either I still can?t believe that fell on my lap last year.

That?s $11 per figure sent to me.

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[Khev]

Damn!

 

[jye4ever]

3.75" Collecting Thread

Can?t wait for EE to sell the S1 for $30 shipped lol


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