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Re: Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. TV series!

Breaking Bad is really fun Jye. It can be brutal, but it's also really entertaining.
 
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I'm comparing this to the "hook" aspect that shows like SOA and Breaking bad have. I'm not saying they are at all in the same league. At the moment I just have no incentive to care about the next episode.

Chris

First of all, one is based on a real possible world.... to an extent, because even Breaking Bad had its flaws. btw I love the show to pieces! Never seen SoA, so I can't comment. The other is a TV spin-off of a movie based on comics, and we're talking about a show that hasn't gotten any legs underneath it yet, so yeah, go with the premature jabs. I think comparing a show like Breaking Bad to Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. is like comparing apples to oranges. But whatever floats your boat.

The logic there is just as silly as people complaining about Lola. Riiiiiight, because the whole idea of a universe with superheros and flying space harriers can be ignored...

Why can't people just say this isn't there thing and leave it at that, or at least use a more logical comparable. Or I dunno, when I don't like a show like Vampire Diaries, I don't waste my time complaining about it... I simply just move on. But whatever floats your boat. Same goes for Badmoon. ;)
 
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Nick Fury showed up. How awesome was that?!?!

It's campy, but I like it. I gave up wishing comic characters on TV or the big screen were more like comic book characters long ago. And from the sounds of it, many of you should too.

Nick Fury came across as a major a hole. He couldn't have been more of a jerk if he tried. The team successfully completes the mission against great odds and he complains about the damaged plane???
I can picture the comic Nick Fury saying, nice job out there, too bad you had to put a hole in the plane, though. Don't worry, we'll just take it out of your next paycheck. Coulson: "Huh??" Just kidding, we'll take care of it. It's only money. Try not to break any more of the toys though , ok?
 
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I'm not giving excuses. It's network TV, it's not movies and they aren't going to be the same. Can you imagine the cost to do a weekly, 20+ episode tv show with the quality of, say, The Avengers or Thor?

I think many expected to see just that and they didn't get it. so they're disappointed.

:clap

I also do think some expected it to be on the level of the movies, and television is a very different beast, not least because the story extends for 22 episodes a season and not just two hours. And the budgets are nowhere close to being the same.

The other is a TV spin-off of a movie based on comics, and we're talking about a show that hasn't gotten any legs underneath it yet, so yeah, go with the premature jabs. I think comparing a show like Breaking Bad to Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. is like comparing apples to oranges.

Agreed on it being apples vs. oranges, and that's why comparing them doesn't really work well for me as a means of criticising SHIELD.
 
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I'm always embarrassed to tell people that i've never watched BB or SOA either. :rotfl

I saw 2 quick clips of SOA a week or so ago when some dude killed a hooker in a hotel room and later on a bunch of dudes killed some other dudes on a boat by slicing their throat.

That's it, nothing else

Looked like a fun show. :rotfl

The way I look at it is that I get enough real life brutality just by watching the news every day, real life brutality always more engaging than fake brutality. :rotfl

So I turn towards Josh Whedon, Marvel and Biojex for my entertaining needs.

Breaking Bad is almost exactly like Batman and Robin. Maybe a little more slapstick though.

And SoA is the real sequel to batman begins and TDK. Except it follows the careers of second tier detectives. It has Flass from BB in it. Ramirez shows up, who clearly couldn't handle Gotham anymore after her B-slap from twoface. And the "I'm a ten year man" guy pops up too. It's a party.

Maybe Badmoon had a good point comparing those shows to this :panic:
 
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IGN Review

Marvel's Agents of SHIELD: "0-8-4" Review
It's got a bar. A really nice one.
October 1, 2013
by Eric Goldman

Note: Full spoilers for the episode follow.

There was a point in this episode, as a gunfight was erupting outside, explosions included, while some of our SHIELD agents were inside grabbing an artifact from an ancient temple, that I thought, “This is like The A-Team meets Indiana Jones.” And then decided that was a pretty fun combo. Despite being tied into the current Marvel Cinematic Universe, there are elements of SHIELD that feel very much like an old school TV series, which is actually quite enjoyable.

The second episode of Agents of SHIELD wasn’t as strong as the first and did point out some issues the show will need to work on as it develops. Fitz and Simmons were the least developed characters in the premiere and while we spent more time with them here, they still feel too much like the same character, albeit with Simmons the sunnier, more cheerful one. And even though their similarities are obviously intentional, it still isn’t helping to make them stand on their own as we get to know these people and moments like them saying, “She’s the Cavalry!” in unison are pretty grating.

Also, yes, there are points – and I know this was a complaint others had about the pilot – were the characters here can be too quipy, since so many of them could be described as “quick witted.” Though it did help to have May -- the one character not prone to delivering witty barbs -- deadpan at one moment, “You guys talk a lot” to her teammates.


One thing I really liked about this episode was how very quickly the Agents of SHIELD writers are proving to be self-aware. Coulson was criticized by Ward and May for having “kids” on his crew in the form of Fitz, Simmons and now Skye. Later, Camilla chided him for, “surrounding yourself with young, attractive agents”, and saying it was part of his midlife crisis – in the process directly dealing with criticisms this show has faced from snarky internet folks from the second the first cast photo was released. While I found these criticisms overstated, I do really enjoy how the show is dealing with the team makeup so directly.

While Camilla was fairly pedestrian as far as her characterization, it was good to meet this piece of Coulson's past - someone who was tied into old missions and who he had a romantic history with, helping to give more shading to the life he's lived. And the continuation of his love of old collectibles is great.

On the Marvel Universe front, the McGuffin this week was a weapon tied to Hydra, while we got nods to Thor and Tony Stark during the episode. The Thor one might have been one too many, but overall, I’m enjoying how the show is tied into the Marvel movies while not being directly tied into their plots. And while it was sadly basically given away beforehand, it was certainly cool to see Nick Fury make his first appearance on the series – and that he was the one to bring up that Skye is a risk.

Speaking of which, Skye turning out to be a double agent is cool and it’s good to see things aren’t as simple as they seem with the team coming together. However, the fact that she already looked so damn torn when getting the message from the Rising Tide is undercutting things considerably. If she’s already this conflicted on her first week with SHIELD, it’s hard to see this playing out with anything but her eventually turning on Rising Tide and joining with SHIELD fully. But I’d love to be wrong on that

Meanwhile, we got Coulson once again describing Tahiti as “a magical place,” officially turning that phrase into something creepy – something it seems he is wired to say when the subject is brought up. I don’t mean that to say Coulson is a robot, mind you. But… well, hey, it certainly is one possibility!
 
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I caught a bit of an episode tonight - it might've been the 1st one, not sure.

I found it boring. :lol
 
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Great episode tonight. Major improvements from the pilot. It is funny. It is like Whedon knows in advance about all the theories about Coulson out there, him being LMD or super soldier etc and today's episode totally disproved all that. Coulson bleeds, he couldn't break out of his restraint, etc.

All these talk about magic really makes me think they are trying to set up a Dr. Strange movie. I mean Coulson being LMD gotta be the most obvious theory out there and Whedon has a knack for throwing you a curveball.

I will be following this series closely to find out what this magical place is.
 
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I did really enjoy the first episode and I was not really wanting to watch it. I will rate the entire show once I have seen the entire season.:wink1:
 
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I'm not giving excuses. It's network TV, it's not movies and they aren't going to be the same. Can you imagine the cost to do a weekly, 20+ episode tv show with the quality of, say, The Avengers or Thor?

I think many expected to see just that and they didn't get it. so they're disappointed.

I think that's pretty much it. The comparisons to past-primetime cable shows pretty much proves they don't know how TV works. :lol
 
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I enjoyed this one better than the pilot but still wasn't thrilled. I thought it started off good but once it became the "retake the ship" story it got bland quickly.
Coulsons comment on "a magical place" got me thinking so I'm hoping it becomes something original.
Skye's text wasn't unexpected but the outcome seams very predictable.
The funny part is that predictable is what Whedons style isn't so I'm hoping for improvement.
 
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That's a good review and touches on a lot of things I was thinking about after watching the second episode, mainly the feeling of watching an 80s TV show like A-Team or MacGyver. Which is not such a bad thing.

IGN Review

Marvel's Agents of SHIELD: "0-8-4" Review
It's got a bar. A really nice one.
October 1, 2013
by Eric Goldman

Note: Full spoilers for the episode follow.

There was a point in this episode, as a gunfight was erupting outside, explosions included, while some of our SHIELD agents were inside grabbing an artifact from an ancient temple, that I thought, “This is like The A-Team meets Indiana Jones.” And then decided that was a pretty fun combo. Despite being tied into the current Marvel Cinematic Universe, there are elements of SHIELD that feel very much like an old school TV series, which is actually quite enjoyable.

The second episode of Agents of SHIELD wasn’t as strong as the first and did point out some issues the show will need to work on as it develops. Fitz and Simmons were the least developed characters in the premiere and while we spent more time with them here, they still feel too much like the same character, albeit with Simmons the sunnier, more cheerful one. And even though their similarities are obviously intentional, it still isn’t helping to make them stand on their own as we get to know these people and moments like them saying, “She’s the Cavalry!” in unison are pretty grating.

Also, yes, there are points – and I know this was a complaint others had about the pilot – were the characters here can be too quipy, since so many of them could be described as “quick witted.” Though it did help to have May -- the one character not prone to delivering witty barbs -- deadpan at one moment, “You guys talk a lot” to her teammates.


One thing I really liked about this episode was how very quickly the Agents of SHIELD writers are proving to be self-aware. Coulson was criticized by Ward and May for having “kids” on his crew in the form of Fitz, Simmons and now Skye. Later, Camilla chided him for, “surrounding yourself with young, attractive agents”, and saying it was part of his midlife crisis – in the process directly dealing with criticisms this show has faced from snarky internet folks from the second the first cast photo was released. While I found these criticisms overstated, I do really enjoy how the show is dealing with the team makeup so directly.

While Camilla was fairly pedestrian as far as her characterization, it was good to meet this piece of Coulson's past - someone who was tied into old missions and who he had a romantic history with, helping to give more shading to the life he's lived. And the continuation of his love of old collectibles is great.

On the Marvel Universe front, the McGuffin this week was a weapon tied to Hydra, while we got nods to Thor and Tony Stark during the episode. The Thor one might have been one too many, but overall, I’m enjoying how the show is tied into the Marvel movies while not being directly tied into their plots. And while it was sadly basically given away beforehand, it was certainly cool to see Nick Fury make his first appearance on the series – and that he was the one to bring up that Skye is a risk.

Speaking of which, Skye turning out to be a double agent is cool and it’s good to see things aren’t as simple as they seem with the team coming together. However, the fact that she already looked so damn torn when getting the message from the Rising Tide is undercutting things considerably. If she’s already this conflicted on her first week with SHIELD, it’s hard to see this playing out with anything but her eventually turning on Rising Tide and joining with SHIELD fully. But I’d love to be wrong on that

Meanwhile, we got Coulson once again describing Tahiti as “a magical place,” officially turning that phrase into something creepy – something it seems he is wired to say when the subject is brought up. I don’t mean that to say Coulson is a robot, mind you. But… well, hey, it certainly is one possibility!
 
Re: Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. TV series!

After not liking the pilot, I thought I'd watch the second episode to see if it got better. What a horrible horrible show. I don't know why people are making excuses by saying this is a cable show. There have been plenty of critically acclaimed cable shows in the past....24 and lost come to mind.
 
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