Alien VS Predator Sucks!

[The ill Jedi]

There's an uncut version on DVD you know.

So is this worth spending the dough on Dave?

I only have the theatrical and I liked it; I have found that most Director's cuts make for much better movies. Like the Aliens DC, it was already a bad ass flick and the few scenes they added made it even better.

 

[-=LoneWolf=-]

Ok - I'll chime in. I think, dramatically, AVP is a total piece of garbage and Paul Anderson needs to stick to making films based on video games. The guy seems to have a handle on the look of these characters and their environments, but looses the threat of them in the translation. The Aliens were unstoppable (nearly), blind killing machines with no emotional response. I think this was perfectly captured by Ridley Scott in the first film, and to a lesser extent, Cameron and Jeunet. You could not reason with them - they were purely instinctual.

The Predator, conversely, was conniving and tricky - it planned its kills perfectly. However, at the same time, it wanted a challenge. In AVP, it was clear that the Preds outmatched the Aliens. The Aliens were reduced to growling animals and, despite their agility, seemed far to soft. The Preds were reduced to hulking juggernauts, without any of the samurai-cool evident in the first films.

That said, the CG work in AVP is most impressive. I literally got a chill seeking the Alien Queen on a full-on sprint out in the snow. Also, the design elements of the Predator armour was pretty sweet.

Just my thoughts.

Scott

you're right

the thing that made the first Predator unique was that it made a point to kill its prey one by one. the suspense was wondering who was next, and what it was gonna do. in P2, it was less apparent... the predator was more bloodthirsty, slaughtering liberally as it went. still, it exhibited cunningness and even toyed with its victims and maintained elusiveness.

in AvP, they went all the way like maniacs... to a point they weren't hunting - they were merely sparring. with the exception of brief instances where they took out some humans, they basically came charging at their targets like clumsy tanks. this ridiculed the creatures and reduced their menace.

aliens too became mindless screeching animals that showed up charging way too often. i thought they were a bit too comical (like the predators), unlike in the previous films... whereby whenever an alien showed up, hell really broke loose and death was swift and bloody. there was real terror and suspense in those films. in AvP it was like... get done with an alien and then go "next!".

oh yeah... i thought AvP's music was crap also

 

[KitFisto]

aliens too became mindless screeching animals that showed up charging way too often.

It's been a while since I saw "Aliens", but that's how they came over to me in that movie. Just wave after wave of them getting shot up by the marines. The Queen had some smarts, but the rest seemed like cannon fodder.

 

[TOE]

I liked the movie. It isn't one of the best Alien or Predator movie that came out but "okay" nonetheless. I mean, how often do ou see a Predator kicking @$$ against an Alien Queen I just hope the AVP2 will even be better. :chew

 

[Praetorian380]

I thought everyone here might like this
here is a screenshot of AVP 2 that I found off of the web - it is supposodly a shot from the new movie

I also have this link here which gives us more info on the new film - there are interviews with some cast members and also a video on YouTube which shows some of the production of AVP 2 with interviews from the directors- it is very interesting and I am very excited about the potential for this one. It already seems like it has a lot of promise to be a waaaaaay better movie than the first.

Im just glad that Paul Anderson is not invloved - the movie will instantly be better with him not being around.

https://www.planetavp.com/headlines/index.shtml#72

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQ6B4nlNtzg&mode=related&search=

 

[King Darkness]

Great movie, NO!

Good movie, hmmm, maybe.

Good old fashion fun, hell yes!!!

 

[customizerwannabe]

I agree. A must own for a fan, but not in my top 100.

 

[KitFisto]

Well, there is only going to be 1 Predator in AVP2.....that sucks.

 

[thundergod]

At the end of the day, you must face the fact that , ironically , a movie like AvP is not aimed at "fans". The studio (FOX in this case ), are trying to attract a mainstream audience (that is young , PG 13 ) and the influence the studio "suits" have on the film-maker(s) cannot be under-estimated . They are looking at continuing/creating a franchise and so edgy, frightening and 18/R rated elements are frowned upon . 40 year olds like myself who have followed the Alien/Predator series from their beginnings DO NOT fit into the demographic aimed at by this "type"of movie . I personally thought that the movie did what it said on the tin and at the end of the day it was never going to be of the quality of (most) it's predecessors . It does improve with repeat viewings though and its a bloody masterpiece compared to the terrible ALIEN RESURRECTION !!!

 

[-=LoneWolf=-]

It's been a while since I saw "Aliens", but that's how they came over to me in that movie. Just wave after wave of them getting shot up by the marines. The Queen had some smarts, but the rest seemed like cannon fodder.

true... but the thing is we never saw much of the aliens in Aliens. we knew they were coming or that they were there, but never quite saw them. shots were very brief and the way they came was very subtle and all too sudden, like in yer face. James Cameron didn't give the aliens too much airtime cos that would give the audience too much space to get comfortable with. in AvP, Paul Anderson presented the creatures very well visually, and that simply dampens the suspense. if we see too much of something too often, we get used to it, it becomes ordinary. knowing very well that we've seen a lot of aliens and predators throughout the years, Anderson should've taken extra effort in terms of presenting them. there was absolutely no suspense in AvP (i don't know about you), despite there being quite a lot of aliens and even the alien queen. i dunno, but the queen wasn't scary at all in AvP. again, i think it's because we saw too much of it - full body shot, well lit in its CG glory. you should compare how Anderson shoots his aliens, and how Cameron does it... big difference. my 2 cents...

 

[tinister]

Man. FX has been playing AVP alot lately. I came home from work and caught the last 15 mins of it again.

1) The Queen wreaking havoc in the snow IS pretty well done.

2) Scar Predator (the design of the suit) is pretty cool. And I liked that little flip he does in the air when he drives his spear into the Queen's head.

3) The actress who plays the character that befriends Scar is a BAD ACTRESS. And there was way too many closeups of her face looking completely blank. Your new Predator friend just got killed: blank. You just succeeded in killing the mother Queen: blank. The cg aliens were more lifelike then she was.

4) WTH was that sleigh thing they used to get up to the surface?!

5) That "shock" ending with the chestburster popping out of Scar was not so shocking.

I'll rent the DVD to watch all of it through this weekend and see if it gets any better.

 

[Praetorian380]

Man. FX has been playing AVP alot lately. I came home from work and caught the last 15 mins of it again.

1) The Queen wreaking havoc in the snow IS pretty well done.

2) Scar Predator (the design of the suit) is pretty cool. And I liked that little flip he does in the air when he drives his spear into the Queen's head.

3) The actress who plays the character that befriends Scar is a BAD ACTRESS. And there was way too many closeups of her face looking completely blank. Your new Predator friend just got killed: blank. You just succeeded in killing the mother Queen: blank. The cg aliens were more lifelike then she was.

4) WTH was that sleigh thing they used to get up to the surface?!

5) That "shock" ending with the chestburster popping out of Scar was not so shocking.

I'll rent the DVD to watch all of it through this weekend and see if it gets any better.

it doesnt get any better, trust me - you will most likely be very disappointed

 

[dekadentdave]

Yes, if you can't take AVP for what it is, you will not like it period. It is not the same as Alien, Aliens or Predator. They are very different kinds of movies. Those were suspensful. AVP is a no-holds-barred in-your-face monster-on-monster gratuitous action flick and it makes no apologies for it. If you are looking for another Alien or Predator film you will be sorely disappointed but if you are looking for a fun smackdown between these two classic creatures then it does the job.

 

[My Lord]

3) The actress who plays the character that befriends Scar is a BAD ACTRESS. And there was way too many closeups of her face looking completely blank. Your new Predator friend just got killed: blank. You just succeeded in killing the mother Queen: blank. The cg aliens were more lifelike then she was.

Funny, I noticed that too, but I thought it was more like she's mugging the camera "be sure to get plenty of close ups of my good side" kinda thing.

One thing is for sure, she's got ass for days. That right there makes up for her bad acting.

I quite enjoy AVP for what it is. Never get tired of seeing Celtic throwing the smackdown on the Grid Alien, Scar just being a bad ass, and all around satisfies the quick Predator and Alien fix in one shot.

 

[DouglasMcc]

Ok - I'll chime in. I think, dramatically, AVP is a total piece of garbage and Paul Anderson needs to stick to making films based on video games. The guy seems to have a handle on the look of these characters and their environments, but looses the threat of them in the translation. The Aliens were unstoppable (nearly), blind killing machines with no emotional response. I think this was perfectly captured by Ridley Scott in the first film, and to a lesser extent, Cameron and Jeunet. You could not reason with them - they were purely instinctual.

The Predator, conversely, was conniving and tricky - it planned its kills perfectly. However, at the same time, it wanted a challenge. In AVP, it was clear that the Preds outmatched the Aliens. The Aliens were reduced to growling animals and, despite their agility, seemed far to soft. The Preds were reduced to hulking juggernauts, without any of the samurai-cool evident in the first films.

That said, the CG work in AVP is most impressive. I literally got a chill seeking the Alien Queen on a full-on sprint out in the snow. Also, the design elements of the Predator armour was pretty sweet.

Just my thoughts.

Scott

Not to attack a new member, but I see similar comments in this vain all the time concerning AvP. And I think a lot of people are missing the point with the Predators. They were young, inexperienced warriors. That temple was built as a "coming-of-age" test. The Predators sent their young to the temple and they either came back warriors or didn't come back at all (much like Leonidas in 300). The hulking, charging aspect of the Predators played into this. I doubt they had seen many aliens (the creature, not alien species) - and youth and inexperience breed vanity. They really thought they could slaughter their way through the aliens without much effort or strategy. However, that plan didn't work. I never understand when people say the Predator's outmatched the aliens - they got their arses handed to them. Outside of Scar, they all pretty much died easy. Much of this was due to the humans disrupting the ritual - i.e. the aliens weren't suppose to be let loose until the young predators took their lasers and began the hunt. However, their inexperience showed.

I know a lot of people didn't want to see that kind of Predator. And that's fine. However, don't blame the story for this - it fit in perfectly with the setup. I admit AvP wasn't as good as the original source material. And YES, it should have been R-rated. However, it wasn't a bad movie. Most people who hate it, do so for one reason: they had their own AvP movie already worked out in their head and AvP wasn't it.

 

[gambit]

I watched it like 2 times and it is very nice to watch if you have your beer and pringles

I am not a hardcore alien or predator fan, so the movie was good enough for me