Aliens,Predator and Terminator Q&A (Anything!)

[nicky]

nah, the t1000 is simply a superior infiltration unit. the first victim it terminated upon its arrival in 1995 was a cop. and the t1000 assumed the cop guise because it understood that a law enforcement officer would have the authority to go pretty much anywhere and do almost anything without being stopped or having undue suspicion called to itself. in other words, the perfect cover.

That's not what I meant. It was VERY convenient for the T-1000 to disguise itself as a cop and that it was the first human it met, my question is:

Imagine if the T-1000 took the disguise of someone else, NOT the cop. His mission would have taken a completely different route and he wouldn't have had those helpful resources either.

Is it possible that the T-1000 was programmed to find a cop to take clothes from in order to enhance the success of his mission? If so then why didn't Conner program the T-800 the same way? OR was it just sheer, sheer LUCK that the T-1000 very conveniently met a cop first? If it didn't meet the cop first, will it have kept looking for one?

 

[Blackhole]

Would the Predalien grow bigger if it didn't get killed? Or was that the full size? Didn't the producer say it was a Queen?

I think it's that big because Preds are bigger than humans, so human-aliens are smaller because the humans they come from are smaller too...

 

[tylerdurden]

That's not what I meant. It was VERY convenient for the T-1000 to disguise itself as a cop and that it was the first human it met, my question is:

Imagine if the T-1000 took the disguise of someone else, NOT the cop. His mission would have taken a completely different route and he wouldn't have had those helpful resources either.

Is it possible that the T-1000 was programmed to find a cop to take clothes from in order to enhance the success of his mission? If so then why didn't Conner program the T-800 the same way? OR was it just sheer, sheer LUCK that the T-1000 very conveniently met a cop first? If it didn't meet the cop first, will it have kept looking for one?

well, as to what u did mean, i don't think it was programmed that way. however, i read that cameron decided early on in the conceptual stage that the t1000 should be a cop. so yes, in a way, it IS very convenient in the movie that he happens to choose a guise that lets him enhance the success of his mission. but it's by design by the film's creators. to me the "conveniece" of the t1000's assumed role worked beautifully.

 

[tylerdurden]

Yeah, perhaps he would have seen the T-800 if for some reason in that moment he felt compelled to relocate his eyes into the back of his head, we know he can pretty much do that from the moment when he changes his back into his front! So it would seem that his eyes do what eyes do and his ears do what ears do but those abilities are limited to those parts like any other organism or Terminator. He cannot 'see' through the back of his own head. How he can generate complex sensory 'organs' from liquid metal is another matter, I think SilentSurfers alien origins theory for such an advanced entity is the best we can do.

I wonder if he'd be capable of creating an extra set of eyes in the same way that he created an extra arm when piloting the helicopter? All nonsense of course.

in the supplementary notes of the t2 ultimate edition dvd, they discussed nanotechnology as a means to achieve the seeming impossibility of the t1000. every single grain of the t1000 is an individual, fully-functional, self-repairing nanobot. the nanobots are programmed with a default memory that predicates their respective functions, but since they're all linked (physically and remotely), there would be a certain degree of "shared" memory. for example, the nanobots that comprise the head and whose respective roles are to "see", "hear" and "smell", could interchange their roles with say, the nanobots that form the limbs. so, theoretically the formation of so-called sensory organs are in fact mechanical/electronic-based and thus still within the realms of earthbound technology, albeit to an extreme level. but hey, we're talking sci-fi, right.

also, my take on the nanobots are that they are collectively able to generate an energy field similar to the "living field" generated by all living things, and are therefore able to pass thru the time-displacement equipment.

as for the ability to create extra eyes, i don't see why not. it's pretty much limitless, kinda like john carpenter's the thing. in fact, there was a slight nod to that when the t1000 melted in the steel mill: all the previous incarnations of its victims simultaneously burst out.

 

[SilentSurfer]

Perhaps the same field that draws all the nanobots together creates a false "lifelike" energy that enables it to pass through time.

Would the Predalien grow bigger if it didn't get killed? Or was that the full size? Didn't the producer say it was a Queen?

I think it's that big because Preds are bigger than humans, so human-aliens are smaller because the humans they come from are smaller too...

The dog was much smaller than humans, but it was still 8' tall. But going with that logic, how big then would the alien from the Space Jockey be, and how would a facehugger even do its job on one?

As for being a queen, I like to think it was kind of a hybrid queen. Like the queen in A4 devoloping a second birthing cycle to reflect its human attributes, the PredAlien took on some of the Pred reproduction qualities (assuming it has something to do with pussyfaces), and that's why it didn't use an egg sack any longer to reproduce. However, I do not claim to be the expert I am with Terminator on matters of AVP, nor do I think the constantly evolving designs of the aliens and their behaviors make it possible to make universal sense of it all.

 

[Blackhole]

In Alien, the original plan was to have Captain Dallas turned into an egg, as seen in the deleted scenes. I can also seem to remember there was a kind of Alien in the AVP game called a Praetorian, which would turn into a queen in the event that the queen herself was killed.

Who said the Queens don't take on the same characteristics as their hosts too? Maybe the Predalien was also a Praetorian, getting ready to turn into a queen, but didn't have sufficient backup to start with, hence the fact it made some more aliens to act as bodyguards maybe?

That would also explain the similarity between the Predalien and Praetorians, and why the Predalien looks nothing like it's videogame counterpart.

Praetorian:

 

[FACEBOX]

In Alien, the original plan was to have Captain Dallas turned into an egg, as seen in the deleted scenes. I can also seem to remember there was a kind of Alien in the AVP game called a Praetorian, which would turn into a queen in the event that the queen herself was killed.

Who said the Queens don't take on the same characteristics as their hosts too? Maybe the Predalien was also a Praetorian, getting ready to turn into a queen, but didn't have sufficient backup to start with, hence the fact it made some more aliens to act as bodyguards maybe?

That would also explain the similarity between the Predalien and Praetorians, and why the Predalien looks nothing like it's videogame counterpart.

Praetorian:

Well, according to the "Bros.", the Predalien is in actuality a "young queen alien". So, that's right in line with your theory.

However, Praetorians aren't supposed to be able to reproduce.
Well, at least not until they molt into a Queen, and definatly not the way the Predalien did.
Futhermore, if Queens also take on their hosts traits, what did the AVP Queen come from!? Probably a dinosaur!

Anyways, I like your idea and observations.
From now on I'll see the Pradalien as a "Praetorian Predalien" instead of simply a young queen. It actually look like the picture you provided.
Kinda complicates things a bit though.

In A3 we saw that Queens are "born". Futhermore, the Predalien's way of reproducing is far more efficient.
Why make eggs when you can ....do what it did.
In addition, why bother "making" queens when aliens can just make a crap load of praetorians instead?

 

[Blackhole]

The AVP queen is probably that big because it's had so long to mature, if it's the same queen as the AztecEgyptian whoever the hell they are used, whereas the queen in Aliens had a few weeks tops...

Although an Alien coming from a Dinosaur would probably look awesome...

 

[FACEBOX]

The AVP queen is probably that big because it's had so long to mature, if it's the same queen as the AztecEgyptian whoever the hell they are used, whereas the queen in Aliens had a few weeks tops...

Although an Alien coming from a Dinosaur would probably look awesome...

Damn right!

BTW, the AVP Queen wasn't simply bigger than the other queens we've seen. It also had different patterns, feet, hands, and crest.

Stupid plotholes.

 

[tylerdurden]

Perhaps the same field that draws all the nanobots together creates a false "lifelike" energy that enables it to pass through time.

yep, that's pretty much my theory on it.

The dog was much smaller than humans, but it was still 8' tall. But going with that logic, how big then would the alien from the Space Jockey be, and how would a facehugger even do its job on one?

actually i always wondered about that. how the heck would a standard facehugger fit giant-sized prey? in the case of the space jockey, it wouldn't be a facehugger, more like a nosehugger.

even queen facehuggers aren't that much bigger. would the facehuggers adapt and attack their prey in the manner of certain insect parasites? --- getting directly into the host's internal organs and impregnating it from inside (instead of from outside like it usually does).

 

[FACEBOX]

Must have been something we haven't seen.
Probably the non-canon queen-facehugger. (not to be confused with the supper-facehugger)

 

[SilentSurfer]

...whereas the queen in Aliens had a few weeks tops...

If you've seen the Special Edition of Aliens, you know that even when sending a transmission it takes several weeks to get a reply. Given that info, and the fact that in Alien they mentioned still having 6 months trip left to get to Earth when 'Mother' woke them up to investigate the 'transmission', I'd say the queen in Aliens had considerably more time than just a few weeks to grow. Besides that, standard Aliens grow to full size within 24hrs (or in the bull???? case of AVP, only 10 minutes).

 

[EndIessRAlN]

Must have been something we haven't seen.
Probably the non-canon queen-facehugger. (not to be confused with the supper-facehugger)

Yummy. Facehuggers for dinner!

 

[A.L.I.E.N]

If you've seen the Special Edition of Aliens, you know that even when sending a transmission it takes several weeks to get a reply. Given that info, and the fact that in Alien they mentioned still having 6 months trip left to get to Earth when 'Mother' woke them up to investigate the 'transmission', I'd say the queen in Aliens had considerably more time than just a few weeks to grow. Besides that, standard Aliens grow to full size within 24hrs (or in the bull???? case of AVP, only 10 minutes).[/QUOTE]

The need for Hive defence ect....

Maybe hormone stimulant or some shizzle

or plot hole I suppose

 

[A.L.I.E.N]

Do you think the newborn would have followed Alien movie gospel, and shead it's skin? And become something more pleasing?

 

[uscmhicks]

Do you think the newborn would have followed Alien movie gospel, and shead it's skin? And become something more pleasing?

how do you get up at 8 am and think of stuff like this ?.

 

[A.L.I.E.N]

how do you get up at 8 am and think of stuff like this ?.

Aliens and terminators are all thats on my mind! Even first thing in the morning!

 

[Sabres21768]

Do you think the newborn would have followed Alien movie gospel, and shead it's skin? And become something more pleasing?

Had it had a chance to mature, I definately think it would look much different.

I see it as a different form of Chestburster. Yes, it didn't pop out of a chest, but it's all "soft and squishy" like a CB when it first comes out.

Then, it matures into a more biomechanical, insect-like creature.

I think the Newborn would have done the same...shed it's skin for a more exoskeletal frame.

Dennis Beauvais did some conceptual sketches for Hasbro's A:R action figure line.
His version of the Newborn figure shows it going through several stages.
Eventually ending up with several Alien Queen attributes.
I REALLY wish they'd went with his action figure designs. The were too fooking cool...

 

[tylerdurden]

nipple-arms?!

 

[Sabres21768]

nipple-arms?!

That's where the Cameron Queen's mini arms were.

Right where her boobs would be.