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icruise
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I saw that Teletran 1 a bit ago. What scale is it supposed to be?
The Teletran set is scaled to Universe/Classics... but if you look at the company's site, Alternators don't look too shabby in there, either:
https://www.igear.tf08.net/?p=107
This set is a must buy for me. I can't wait to display my Classics/Henkei/Universe bots around it.
https://www.igear.tf08.net/?p=107
This set is a must buy for me. I can't wait to display my Classics/Henkei/Universe bots around it.
lerath666
Super Freak
any information on the simularly scaled MP megatron? a prototype picture? anything?
I wouldn't buy a knock off either, but as hasbro/ takara won't release a universe scaled G1 prime, I'll buy this.
If hasbro would listen to the fandom more.....
Bah, details.
icruise
Super Freak
Wow, does it come unpainted?
Bustajesse
Super Freak
I would be surprised if it even comes out. I can't see Hasbro or Takara ignoring these guys altogether.
If it manages to avoid any kind of lawsuit then I'll be getting one for sure as I want a proper G1 Prime to go in my main lineup of Classics/Henkei TF's.
Screw Hasbro, all they can release is half assed crap and they treat European collectors like a third world country so I have no qualms about anyone knocking off their designs and if anything I'd encourage more people to do it as maybe then it'll give them the boot up the backside they obviously need to put a bit more effort in.
As for iGear's Megatron there's been a couple of proto pics on the TF sites and it looks like they've taken steps to eliminate the balance problems that ruin the official one as the fusion cannon has been noticeably downsized in relation to the actual robot.
It's still a BFG, just a bit more sensibly sized and if this means I'll be able to own a version of MP Megatron that I'll be able to get some dynamic poses out of without fear of it falling over and breaking then I'll get that too.
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lerath666
Super Freak
found the megatron pics. looks SWEET
Hopefully, he's not as fragile either.
As for hasbro sueing them. I doubt it. hasbro is more likely to look the other way and ignore it. Much like they do with fansproject.
The MOST hasbro can do is prevent americian retailers from selling it, so people have to get it from overseas sellers. And I doubt it's worth their money to piss off their fans.
It also bears mentioning the both the prime, and megatron originals are not hasbro molds, but Takara ones. Takara owns the rights. so it's their call, not hasbro, and i get the impression that they might actualy WANT to see these made.
Hopefully, he's not as fragile either.
As for hasbro sueing them. I doubt it. hasbro is more likely to look the other way and ignore it. Much like they do with fansproject.
The MOST hasbro can do is prevent americian retailers from selling it, so people have to get it from overseas sellers. And I doubt it's worth their money to piss off their fans.
It also bears mentioning the both the prime, and megatron originals are not hasbro molds, but Takara ones. Takara owns the rights. so it's their call, not hasbro, and i get the impression that they might actualy WANT to see these made.
Ra88
Super Freak
Hasbro has already said at Botcon that they're okay with fankits, as long as they don't blatantly infringe on their copyrights. These are definately crossing over into that banhammer area, and it would be a shame for iGear to ruin it for the entire fankit market.
And Hasbro designed the Masterpieces along with Takara, and have equal stake in it (except for maybe Megatron, but I'm not sure on that). Basically, every mold out there is made and owned by both Hasbro and Takara, with the first most of the time funding everything, creating the concept art and sending one or two designers over to work with the Takara team. Like the guy who designed Classics Mirage, Bumblebee and Hound for example.
...Did you even read any of the posts in this thread?
And you're assuming that Europe will even see Leader Starscream, too- oh wait I just gave you more Hasbro hate fuel didn't I.
I'll be buying these mini-me prime and megatron toys, as long as they dotn cost a stupid amount of money.
Nothing wrong with a well-made knock-off IMO. As long as it isnt being sold as an official product or intended to fool anyone i dont see the problem. Hasbro are lazy fecks, pure and simple. If third party companies release more quality products like these then as BCM said maybe it'll make hasbro realize how far they have had their thumbs stuck up their own arses and finally pull them out and make better toys, and actually supply enough units for the demand and not cancel entire waves from certain countries for no effing reason whatsoever!
Nothing wrong with a well-made knock-off IMO. As long as it isnt being sold as an official product or intended to fool anyone i dont see the problem. Hasbro are lazy fecks, pure and simple. If third party companies release more quality products like these then as BCM said maybe it'll make hasbro realize how far they have had their thumbs stuck up their own arses and finally pull them out and make better toys, and actually supply enough units for the demand and not cancel entire waves from certain countries for no effing reason whatsoever!
Whether it does or it doesn't get released in Europe really makes no difference to my opinion of what I consider to be yet another wasted opportunity to deliver a definitive version of a character.
iGear are offering items which appear to improve on elements of the original Masterpiece designs and that are perfectly scaled to replace the mediocre Classics/Henkei versions ( which I own ) so I hope they are able to escape any legal entanglements because it'll be nice to have quality representations of the G1 incarnations of the characters that are correctly scaled with MP Grimlock.
Had Takara made Grimlock bigger in the first place then perhaps the need for the iGear Prime & Megatron wouldn't be so great but I reckon that Classics/Henkei versions should have been more like the Masterpiece designs anyway.
Whilst 3rd party items like the Teletraan-1 setup wouldn't sell to the masses I think any new version of Prime or Megatron are a no brainer and if Hasbro/Takara were smart they'd do a deal with the iGear people and market the smaller MP's themselves as they would be getting 2 new molds without the added cost of all the r & d.
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Ra88
Super Freak
But it WILL cost a stupid amount of money. It's going to cost close to $90! 90 bucks for a downsized KO while the originals only cost a little bit more, and it will be inevitable that these KOs will be made from cheaper plastic and will not contain any die cast whatsoever, something that pushed the original MP Prime over the edge.
And HOW are these KOs higher quality then the original Masterpieces? Yeah, Megatron has a smaller cannon, but that's not where the problems from the mold come from. And yeah, Convoy fits in with Classics now...But there's already the pretty much perfect Henkei Convoy, and the entire appeal from MP Prime came from him being a BIG, complex, diecast and definitive version of Optimus Prime. A true masterpiece. Having a smaller version would only bring him down, especially because it's not the real deal, but a knock off from people who are trying to make a quick buck by ripping off a work of collectible art.
Also bother to read the ????ing posts in this thread. Hasbro US, the ones who design these things, have no say over what their international branches do. That's how ALL corporations that operate in different parts of the world work. Not to mention that they are improving; I remember when complete toylines would stop after barely two waves in favor of that Action Man crap. Nowadays, you can get almost the complete movie and Classic lines. Sure, it will take a while and you will have to check different stores occassionally, but the selection is a lot better nowadays. And it could be worse, they could be Mattel, who never release anything besides Barbie in Europe.
I'll also say this: Think Transformers are too expensive? Then here's a tip: Patience! I always cherry pick which figures I want from lines, and then I wait for sales in stores (like how the Animated and Universe deluxes cost 12 euros here now) or even better: For conventions. At the Dutch TF convention last august I made a major score, picking up a LOT of movie deluxes for 5 bucks a piece! All in good state, complete, with the only thing missing the packages (which are useless anyways). Hell, I even saw all Real Gears for 15 bucks total, though I'm still kicking myself for not going for that.
Failing that, you can also always check with the bigger TF sites and check if US peeps are selling their stuff, and get things quite cheap, especially with the exchange rate these days. Shipping will hurt a bit, but it will be pretty neligible if you spread it out over the figures.
And even the most crappily painted figure will become a must have when you can get it for 30% of it's original price.
bcm77 said:
...And that would be....? Megatron's scaled down cannon and the extra Prime head they ripped from a statue, down to the neck piece?
KO Megatron will look horribly out of place design wise though; especially with how spindly and complex he is. Prime might work a bit better, but a downscaled and unofficial version of a true masterpiece still feels wrong, IMO.
This I definately agree with. Would make the products cheaper and the quality better (assuming they'd have the same access to HasTak's materials), and HasTak could offer it directly to the consumers. Win/win.
There's improved articulation on Prime's hands as well which initially may not seem much until you see how much extra that adds to the range of poses you can get, robots have pretty static faces so the hands are a big way of conveying emotion, and with just a slight readjustment the whole nature of the pose can be changed, which isn't possible with the flat, open palmed hands that Hasbro are using on a lot of TF's at the moment.
How Hasbro apparently has "no control" over what their international branches do bewilderes me. Who is responsible then? And what happens to all their stuff once it leaves the boat?
Ra88
Super Freak
bcm77, aren't those hands interchangeable instead of actually articulated?
Doesn't work like that. Hasbro US is in charge of making the stuff and distributing it in the US itself; the other Hasbro departments place their own orders for stuff and try and sell it to the stores, who may be fickle as to what they wish to order. For example, the voyager wave 5 cancellation probably was because no store simply wants to order more voyagers. I'm not sure if this is based on stores in the UK alone or the entirety of Europe; forgot if Hasbro UK is in charge of our little corner of the world.
As for the prices; it's true that our stuff is more expensive, since they have to comply with basic European rates. According to a Hasbro NL employee, the basic prices are either 11 or 12 euros, so pretty reasonable. But it's the stores that's driving the prices up, for their own reasons (possibly in a blind move to drive up the prices since they're selling fewer toys).
This is why some stores have different prices, depending on the chain. For example: the Dutch toystores are all owned by one corperation and have the same prices more or less, while a Belgian/French toystore that has a few outlets in the Netherlands have sometimes much cheaper figures and a larger selection most of the time.
Doesn't work like that. Hasbro US is in charge of making the stuff and distributing it in the US itself; the other Hasbro departments place their own orders for stuff and try and sell it to the stores, who may be fickle as to what they wish to order. For example, the voyager wave 5 cancellation probably was because no store simply wants to order more voyagers. I'm not sure if this is based on stores in the UK alone or the entirety of Europe; forgot if Hasbro UK is in charge of our little corner of the world.
As for the prices; it's true that our stuff is more expensive, since they have to comply with basic European rates. According to a Hasbro NL employee, the basic prices are either 11 or 12 euros, so pretty reasonable. But it's the stores that's driving the prices up, for their own reasons (possibly in a blind move to drive up the prices since they're selling fewer toys).
This is why some stores have different prices, depending on the chain. For example: the Dutch toystores are all owned by one corperation and have the same prices more or less, while a Belgian/French toystore that has a few outlets in the Netherlands have sometimes much cheaper figures and a larger selection most of the time.
bagelsncheesey
Super Freak
Thought I would start taking pics of some of my Transformers, so here it goes. Here's the new TRU Commemorative Perceptor and Takara Encore Bruticus.
Reinhardt
Super Freak
Perceptor looks fantastic!
Ahhh, despite all my qualms with Hasbro today, im so glad we have moved on from those old bricks.
Reinhardt
Super Freak
While I totally agree with you, I think the nostalgia in me still loves the old TFs. Love movie Prime from TF2 though...
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