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Ra88 said:
bcm77, aren't those hands interchangeable instead of actually articulated?



Doesn't work like that. Hasbro US is in charge of making the stuff and distributing it in the US itself; the other Hasbro departments place their own orders for stuff and try and sell it to the stores, who may be fickle as to what they wish to order. For example, the voyager wave 5 cancellation probably was because no store simply wants to order more voyagers. I'm not sure if this is based on stores in the UK alone or the entirety of Europe; forgot if Hasbro UK is in charge of our little corner of the world.

As for the prices; it's true that our stuff is more expensive, since they have to comply with basic European rates. According to a Hasbro NL employee, the basic prices are either 11 or 12 euros, so pretty reasonable. But it's the stores that's driving the prices up, for their own reasons (possibly in a blind move to drive up the prices since they're selling fewer toys).
This is why some stores have different prices, depending on the chain. For example: the Dutch toystores are all owned by one corperation and have the same prices more or less, while a Belgian/French toystore that has a few outlets in the Netherlands have sometimes much cheaper figures and a larger selection most of the time.
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No, the hands are fully articulated, not interchangeable ones in varied poses. there are more pictures on the igear site that show how articulated they are.

As far as the other thing, the simple act of including the extra hands, OR making the mold smaller, actualy gets around copywrite laws I discovered.

here is the thing, in manufacturing , if the new product is at all different from the old product, be it a moved screw hole, or a smaller version, then it's considered different.

i know this becuase i work as a security gaurd for the company that owns Char-broil.
they had their grills switched to a manufacturing plant in china. the SAME YUEAR another , chinese company copied their grills, making them slightly smaller, and moved the heat controlls to the left 2 inches.
Becuase of these MINISCULE CHANGES, the grill was considered a different product, and they had no legal recourse.

Kinda ????ty, but this is in essence the same thing. I don't think hasbro is going to have alot of recourse..

Even then, at 90$, you're not going to have all that many people who want one, just mostly people who want a smaller G1 prime.

I've got masterpiece prime, and I'll be getting this one as well.
 
I don't think there's any question that Hasbro (or whoever has the rights in this situation) could sue them and win. We're dealing with trademark and copyright here, not just a grill design. It's not like you can just make a slightly smaller Optimus Prime and say that it's a different product -- it's obviously Optimus Prime. It's a question of whether it's really worth it for them to pursue legal action in this case.
 
icruise said:
I don't think there's any question that Hasbro (or whoever has the rights in this situation) could sue them and win. We're dealing with trademark and copyright here, not just a grill design. It's not like you can just make a slightly smaller Optimus Prime and say that it's a different product -- it's obviously Optimus Prime. It's a question of whether it's really worth it for them to pursue legal action in this case.
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The thing is, it's international copywrite law, not american copywrite law. the thing with the grill was special, patented designs some weird, no flame, IR coocking mechnaic or some such, anyways, Itelectual property is intelectual property Copywrite laws make no difference with different types of IP. . if it's not 100% the same, in ALL ways, they appearently have no recourse against the people who ripped them off.

the MOST hasbro can do is tell american retailers that if they carry the Knock off, that they will no longer do buisness with them.
 
lerath666 said:
No, the hands are fully articulated, not interchangeable ones in varied poses. there are more pictures on the igear site that show how articulated they are.

As far as the other thing, the simple act of including the extra hands, OR making the mold smaller, actualy gets around copywrite laws I discovered.

here is the thing, in manufacturing , if the new product is at all different from the old product, be it a moved screw hole, or a smaller version, then it's considered different.

i know this becuase i work as a security gaurd for the company that owns Char-broil.
they had their grills switched to a manufacturing plant in china. the SAME YUEAR another , chinese company copied their grills, making them slightly smaller, and moved the heat controlls to the left 2 inches.
Becuase of these MINISCULE CHANGES, the grill was considered a different product, and they had no legal recourse.

Kinda ????ty, but this is in essence the same thing. I don't think hasbro is going to have alot of recourse..

Even then, at 90$, you're not going to have all that many people who want one, just mostly people who want a smaller G1 prime.

I've got masterpiece prime, and I'll be getting this one as well.
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Huh, odd. Does that go for toy corperations as well?
 
So, to anyone who bought KO's of Devastator..until the original gets reissued(if ever)..which is the best KO to get of him?, i did see some at a local Asian mall for like 8-10$, i did not crack on the Engineering set since the Decepticon logos looked like crap.
 
I actually have two devastator knockoffs, and they both pretty much suck. One was sold at Big Lots for about $6 and it's yellow. The pieces don't really fit together right, the plastic is brittle, and of course there's no diecast metal parts or anything. The other one is a green one that makes more of an attempt to look like the original toy (Decepticon stickers, etc.). In fact, I bought it on ebay by someone who said it was the real thing. Needless to say, I was upset when I got it and it was obviously not genuine (you couldn't really tell from the pictures). He did give me my money back, saying that he was selling it for someone else and I guess I believe his story. So I got that one for free. It's a bit better than the Big Lots one but I wouldn't really pay money for it.

Are there any really good knockoffs out there?
 
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This set looks like it might be ok..it runs around $50-60 i think but, i don't want to chance it.
 
just saw for the first time today Transformers 2.What a pretentious movie.0/10.
 
Aside from the robot battles, BayFormers 2 did suck..I only have interest in G1 only from now on.
 
Yea, Insecticons and Perceptor have been here for weeks now.I can find lots of Perceptor but, the Insecticons seem sold out at most TRU i have been to lately, i'm sure Perceptor will drop to $29.99 then i will snag him.
 
Valfar said:
Aside from the robot battles, BayFormers 2 did suck..I only have interest in G1 only from now on.
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yea your right it wasnt really good,i like the first one so much better imean atleast they gave the robots more screentime and didnt make optimus unstopable.:banghead
 
though, optimus screamin "GIVE ME YOUR FACE" was funny.

Just found and purchased my walmart Skywarp, YAY.

And now for something a little different.
A 3d rendering of G1 optimus I'm working on for my Senior project/ portfolio.

It's still a Work in progress, but i figured i'd share.

CGI optimus!

primefacewip.jpg
 
Has anyone bought TF's from KO Toys before?..i am thinking about getting a few items from them.
 

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