ALL THINGS TRANSFORMERS!!!!

[lerath666]

The current IDW ongoing series, the run is simply titled "Transformers" Issue 24 either just came out, or is about to come out.

All Hail Megatron is part of the same Series, just much earlier in the storyline than Bee becoming the leader.

 

[YoNoSe]

That's the second time I've seen you reference Blue Beetle this week. Your stock is rising.

 

[bcm77]

since you mentioned Bee.. have you seen him in the new IDW comics?

The mini series which ended with his getting the new body is decent ( I got the TPB for my birthday ) although I didn't like how he became a Camaro as it made no sense in a G1 continuity.

An upgrade to a New Beetle and a name change to Goldbug would have been a more logical approach although IDW & logic seem to have a dubious relationship....the Seekers started as F-22's and then downgraded back to F-15's

Can't beat Last Stand of the Wreckers though....Rotorstorm's stand against Overlord is EPIC!

 

[Silent Bob]

tweaked? in the second and third films, he was far more than tweaked.
It's like he was built by Cyberdine systems.

Yes, i know it's unrealistic to have someone not kill the enemy in a war, but it's also unrealistic to have giant, transforming sentient machines.

Prime is THE hero. he's not just a good guy, he's THE good guy.
He has always been intended to be the epitome and pillar of morals and right.
And in bays movies he was what you might consider to be a boderline psychopath.
"GIVE ME YOUR FACE!"
What. The. ____ing. Hell?
If, IF megatron had been a REAL threat at the end of the film, i could almost see it as a "megatron must be stopped, no matter the cost" moment. but lets be honest here. megatron is physically crippled, no longer leading the decipticons, and hasn't really done ANYTHING for the majority of the movie. he's a washed-up has-been who gets put into his place by a little human girl who calls him a _____.
There was NO reason to kill him, other than simple revenge. Which in the end makes Optimus no better than him, or Sentinel prime.


this whole mentality lately ( since batman begins, and Dark knight mostly) of " RAWR IT needs to be soo grimdarwk it poops blood-encrusted bats, and so gritty it leaves the audience with mouthfuls of sand. that'll make everyone think it's mature an adult n' stuff" mentality lately is really sad.

I've not seen the 3rd movie but you have expressed very clearly my issue with Bayformers Prime. He was one of very, very few Transformers to get any characterisation in the films and then it was just wrong.

Optimus is supposed to be a hero, to stand for something better and be an inspiration. Bays version wasn't the Optimus I grew up with, and to my mind he certainly wasn't a hero.

The way he executed an unarmed, restrained Decepticon prisoner and the whole "give me your face" line in ROTF were just
From what you have written, it sounds like he was much the same in the 3rd movie.

Can you imagine Captain America shooting a no name Nazi/Hydra soldier in the head while he was being restrained by American soldiers in the new film? No way. He is a hero and thats not what heros do !!

The new Batman films might have been "dark" but the second film is practically all about "the line he wouldn't cross" even when it would have been easier to do it.

On an unrelated (and apparently smelly note ) I got my Exgraver today. He is AWESOME !!!!!!!!!! Worth every penny !!

Bob

 

[Silent Bob]

I got Fans Project's Stormshred today who's pretty cool but will look even better once the upgrade kit the dudes at TFW are doing is out.

The first pics of the actual casts have been posted,
https://www.tfw2005.com/boards/radicons-customs/444225-insect-add-parts.html

Without the add ons I'd give the figure 7.5-8/10.

With the new head & pincers I'd increase the score to 9/10.

I've also made some cash from ebaying a couple of my Henkei Seekers and Generations Dirge which I've used towards iGear's Thrust and I'll also be relisting Henkei Thundercracker & Ramjet along with Generations Dirge to raise cash for iGear's Ramjet or Dirge.

Great news my friend

Bob

 

[lerath666]

The new Batman films might have been "dark" but the second film is practically all about "the line he wouldn't cross" even when it would have been easier to do it.


Bob

Don't get me wrong, The nolan Batman films ( except for existing in a vacume where he is the only superhero, but that's a different can of worms) are fine. just the right amount of what batman needs insofar as grimdark.

The problem is that SINCE them, alot movies have been trying to copy that, thinking it's what made the film successful.

 

[YoNoSe]

The problem is that SINCE them, alot movies have been trying to copy that, thinking it's what made the film successful.

It's strangely appropriate in a way - Miller's Dark Knight Returns had the same effect on comics in the late 80s - 90s.

 

[Silent Bob]

Don't get me wrong, The nolan Batman films ( except for existing in a vacume where he is the only superhero, but that's a different can of worms) are fine. just the right amount of what batman needs insofar as grimdark.

The problem is that SINCE them, alot movies have been trying to copy that, thinking it's what made the film successful.

Yeah, I love the Nolan films. Perfectly pitched for Bats IMO.

Which films do you think have been to "dark" as a result of the success of TDK though?
Superhero wise I can't think of any. Iron Man, Thor, Green Lantern and Cap don't seem that dark. First Class was a little darker, but the original X movies (and X-men comics) were a little darker anyway.

Bob

 

[Apone]

Yeah, one of my personal guilty pleasures is Steven Seagal movies, but I don't pretend that they're cinematic masterpieces. Or even that they're objectively good most of the time. I know what's good filmmaking, and I know what I like, and they don't always match up.

Above the Law and Out For Justice are entertaining as hell.

"Anybody seen Richie?...Anybody know why Richie did Bobby Lupo!?"

 

[bcm77]

Great news my friend

Bob

Glad you like your Exgraver too!

Movie Prime was a generic action hero, all about "shock & awe" and "kicking ass", there was no morality to his character and there was never any hint that he regretted taking another's life....he seemed to enjoy killing as much as any Decepticon.

 

[Silent Bob]

Glad you like your Exgraver too!

Movie Prime was a generic action hero, all about "shock & awe" and "kicking ass", there was no morality to his character and there was never any hint that he regretted taking another's life....he seemed to enjoy killing as much as any Decepticon.

Love Exgraver mate "Longhaul" can't get here soon enough !!

That was exactly my problem with Bays Prime.
There are some Autobots I could undertsand and even like to see that attitude from, Grimlock or Sunstreaker, but Prime?

You are spot on, he was more like a Decepticon in that he had no morals, conscience or regret. I almost wish Prime had remained a background cardboard cut out like most of the other bots

Bob

 

[DPrime]

lol, kind of funny how my quote sparked the whole Bayformers debate once more... I actually really enjoyed all three movies, but as toys/collectibles, it's G1 for me. I just don't like the aesthetics of the movie bots.

behold his badassery

I would actually LOVE to see iGear or some other third party - or Hasbro for that matter - tackle Leader-1, MP style.

Though.. one thing I don't get.. with all the nobility and grace, and etc that optimus prime is intended to be and have... he sure murders his former friends, and enemies without much thought in the last film.
Why is that?
Makes about as much sense as batman killing people with guns.

I REALLY expected a luke skywalker- esque moment from prime on the bridge at the end of the film.

Completely tear into his enemy till he is completely at his mercy.. then stop just short of killing him, lest you become him.

And i was very disappointed in it not being there.

That would have been cool, but I actually don't mind Optimus doing that. I don't know - to me it makes him seem like a more complex character. He's a soldier - it's the sort of thing a soldier might do, you know?

 

[lerath666]

Yeah, I love the Nolan films. Perfectly pitched for Bats IMO.

Which films do you think have been to "dark" as a result of the success of TDK though?
Superhero wise I can't think of any. Iron Man, Thor, Green Lantern and Cap don't seem that dark. First Class was a little darker, but the original X movies (and X-men comics) were a little darker anyway.

Bob

keeping it in the tone of this thread, Dark of the moon, and revenge of the fallen are some pretty good examples.
Smallville in it's later season ( i know that's television, not film, but the influence is pretty clear)

lol, kind of funny how my quote sparked the whole Bayformers debate once more... I actually really enjoyed all three movies, but as toys/collectibles, it's G1 for me. I just don't like the aesthetics of the movie bots.



I would actually LOVE to see iGear or some other third party - or Hasbro for that matter - tackle Leader-1, MP style.



That would have been cool, but I actually don't mind Optimus doing that. I don't know - to me it makes him seem like a more complex character. He's a soldier - it's the sort of thing a soldier might do, you know?

Except he's not. Prime's not a soldier. He's a bot standing up for his ideals. He BECAME a soldier out of necessity, nothing more.
Orion Pax was a librarian, a researcher, and a cataloger.
In the current idw continuity, he was a cop.
He BECAME a prime, because he was in the right place at the right time.

I understand that in Bay's universe that may not be the case, but it's those expiences and that backstory that makes him who he is.

Showing NO remorse for killing? That's NOT a soldier's trait. that's a Deception trait.

Yes, I get that in a kill or bee killed situation, you may not feel it right away. but eventually PTSD sets in.
unless you're part of the sociopathic 2%

 

[darkknight]

IMO Optimus Prime is perfect the way they made him in the movies. The only thing I didn't like was when he was fighting Sentinal and was going soft.

 

[karamazov80]

I'm kind of torn on the whole Optimus being a wanton killer thing. My basis for love of TFs is the G1 cartoons and toys. That Prime is the Prime that I know of as Prime, and of course, he wouldn't kill indiscriminately (though he would and did severely injure many in the TF movie). But if you're gonna move it to the real world, thinking of the analogy of GI Joe, in war, killing is sometimes necessary.

I haven't seen the 3rd TF movie and (thankfully) only vaguely remember the 2nd one, so I don't know exactly what he does or how he does it apart from what I read here. But Prime taking joy in killing his enemies and making quips about ripping faces off is definitely no Prime I know or want to know about.

 

[Silasya77]

I've not seen the 3rd movie but you have expressed very clearly my issue with Bayformers Prime. He was one of very, very few Transformers to get any characterisation in the films and then it was just wrong.

Optimus is supposed to be a hero, to stand for something better and be an inspiration. Bays version wasn't the Optimus I grew up with, and to my mind he certainly wasn't a hero.

The way he executed an unarmed, restrained Decepticon prisoner and the whole "give me your face" line in ROTF were just
From what you have written, it sounds like he was much the same in the 3rd movie.

Can you imagine Captain America shooting a no name Nazi/Hydra soldier in the head while he was being restrained by American soldiers in the new film? No way. He is a hero and thats not what heros do !!

The new Batman films might have been "dark" but the second film is practically all about "the line he wouldn't cross" even when it would have been easier to do it.

Bob

Agreed about the fact that Optimus isn't always doing things that people with a morally right mind would do, but you have to know that he has first and foremost been fighting a war with these ruthless Decepticon soldiers for millions of ____ing years. And their leader, regardless of his physical threat, was a ____ing maniac and megamind that plots incredibly dangerous threats against humanity.

Optimus comes across as one who has not only chosen the side he's with, but is the leader of said side. He has a belief that what the Decepticons do is wrong, and the fact that others joined them means THEY are wrong. Megatron is the type of guy that would plan the destruction of the universe in a ____ing wheelchair or strapped to a hospital bed. Optimus wouldn't take that risk to let him go after millions of years of war against him.

The "take prisoners" concept is bull____ when you're talking about a frigging war. This isn't G1's "a bunch of about a dozen Decepticon characters following their leader" like the Autobots. The Decepticons have troops in the thousands, and specially in the third movie the scale of the war is revealed. Invasions by a ____ load of Decepticons and Warships shows you the full power of the Decepticon's capabilities.

Optimus was standing there with Megatron who was asking for a truce, but ____. The whole invasion was planned mainly by him. A crippled b_tch. That basically shows you the danger of allowing him to live. Optimus made that mistake in movie two and was going to make that mistake in movie one. There was no making mistakes this time. The dispatching of Megatron in the third movie, imo, was completely appropriate regardless of Megatron's physical condition. He should have taken pity, but he didn't. Because he had before and knew the consequences.

 

[Silasya77]

keeping it in the tone of this thread, Dark of the moon, and revenge of the fallen are some pretty good examples.
Smallville in it's later season ( i know that's television, not film, but the influence is pretty clear)



Except he's not. Prime's not a soldier. He's a bot standing up for his ideals. He BECAME a soldier out of necessity, nothing more.
Orion Pax was a librarian, a researcher, and a cataloger.
In the current idw continuity, he was a cop.
He BECAME a prime, because he was in the right place at the right time.

I understand that in Bay's universe that may not be the case, but it's those expiences and that backstory that makes him who he is.

Showing NO remorse for killing? That's NOT a soldier's trait. that's a Deception trait.

Yes, I get that in a kill or bee killed situation, you may not feel it right away. but eventually PTSD sets in.
unless you're part of the sociopathic 2%

Keyword is WAS. Optimus has become hardened after millions of years of war, and he has seen the danger of the Decepticons. He has become a "fight fire with fire" type soldier, and I mean soldier, because that is the only and best way he has learned to deal with these Decepticons.

 

[YoNoSe]

I just take movie Prime with a grain of salt, the way I take everything in the movies. The screenplays are aggressively stupid and amazingly illogical. I go to see them for the good work ILM does.

 

[darkknight]

Just think about SEAL Team 6. Call it murder, call it assassination, call it whatever you want. All that matters they did the right thing

 

[karamazov80]

I go to see them for the good work ILM does.

If I ever decide I want to make a movie about huge, jumbled balls of wires and parts rolling around, I definitely know who I'll go to for the effects.