Ant-Man and the Wasp - July 6, 2018

[jye4ever]

I don't do that kind of thing.

lulz

Where’s crows when you need em.

 

[Bo Shrek]

That happened to me with Avengers 2. Wasn't a big fan when I first saw it. Thought the movie was OK at best. However, my sons and I watched Winter Soldier, Avengers 2, and Civil War over 2 days to get ready for Infinity War. Sure enough, after I watched the movies so close together, I enjoyed Avengers 2 much more. It just felt more integral to the overall storyline the MCU laid out over the years. The creation of Vision and the aftereffects of the destruction of Sokovia lead in perfectly to Civil War and Infinity War. A second viewing gave me a new appreciation for Avengers 2.

My opinion of Avengers 2 in theatres was a forgettable bloated summer popcorn movie. Once again purchase the blu ray, multiple viewings, addition of other movies laying down and expanding the MCU (i.e.. Civil War). Avengers 2 is now one of my favourites when I want a hit of the MCU. I prefer this to the original.

 

[Wor-Gar]

I suppose you hated Shrek when you first saw it too?

 

[Sweet Rabbit]

I suppose you hated Shrek when you first saw it too?

I like Shrek, not all the sequels

 

[matticus]

I saw the first Ant-man in theatres and thought it was nothing special below average. Purchased it on blu ray when released and have watched it several times after. After several years I now find it enjoyable, fun and entertaining. The moral of the story….never judge a movie after first viewing.

I agree. Sometimes I am just caught off guard with how a story unfolds. But this one...I just don't think there was any storyline that was intriguing nor any action sequences that I am dying to see again. I see everyone using "light" and "fun" to describe it. Not the words I associate with good movies.

 

[Sweet Rabbit]

I agree. Sometimes I am just caught off guard with how a story unfolds. But this one...I just don't think there was any storyline that was intriguing nor any action sequences that I am dying to see again. I see everyone using "light" and "fun" to describe it. Not the words I associate with good movies.

Ok

 

[matticus]

Ok

 

[Wor-Gar]

I see everyone using "light" and "fun" to describe it. Not the words I associate with good movies.

The original Star Wars was light and fun. So was Raiders of the Lost Ark in its day.

Though I doubt AntMan and Wasp is anywhere near those two examples.


I view this movie as real filler while you wait for IW2. Some people need their MCU fix at least 3 times a year. Is there another filler movie before IW2?

 

[jye4ever]

Ok here goes.

Lots of fun but that’s not how I would describe it.

My description for this movie is that it’s “A movie with LOTS of heart”

There that perfectly captures it yeah lots of heart lots of touching moments especially if you’re a parent.

This is also the first movie for me where I actually teared up in the first 5 minutes during Janet’s sacrifice even though it was a repeat from the first movie, a very touching moment helped by the fact that you’re watching Hank and Janet Pym from those comics from oh so long ago.

Movie had some hiccups for certain but overall DEFINATELY worth a theatrical experience DEFINATELY!

A few things.

I loved how the

Spoiler

lab kept changing hands during the climatic San Fran chase

For a light movie it went dark at the end really seriously dark.

Spoiler

YES the disintegration shocked me and what made it dark is that poor Janet had been gone for over 30 years just to return and be killed, damn.

That being said the time frame didn't line up for me.

Spoiler

Didn’t the Pyms and Scott see the NYC invasion on tv?

Anyways one final thing.

For you Hereditary fans you will freak out during the end credits i’ll leave it there but holy crap it IMMEDIATELY brought me back to Hereditary.

That is worth repeating. Ant-Man the comedy action movie immediately made me think of Hereditary let that sink in for a moment will you lol

Fans of Hereditary will gasp out loud as I did. lol

 

[Chakor]

Is there another filler movie before IW2?

Yep, Captain Marvel - which I will only be watching for Ronan.

 

[ShadowX81]

Spoiler

So how did Janet Van Dyne survive in the quantum realm for 30 years without food, water, or oxygen? Where did she get that cloak she has been wearing? Or simply keep her sanity after decades of isolation.
And why is it that the quantum realm is depicted as some sort of dimension outside of our own instead of just a really, really small area between atoms. Given that, shouldn't Janet have been floating in the middle of the ocean somewhere because that is where she shrunk, instead of just any old place that they choose to shrink from?
How did she get a message into Scott's head and take over his body?

 

[e30ernest]

Spoiler

So how did Janet Van Dyne survive in the quantum realm for 30 years without food, water, or oxygen? Where did she get that cloak she has been wearing? Or simply keep her sanity after decades of isolation.
And why is it that the quantum realm is depicted as some sort of dimension outside of our own instead of just a really, really small area between atoms. Given that, shouldn't Janet have been floating in the middle of the ocean somewhere because that is where she shrunk, instead of just any old place that they choose to shrink from?
How did she get a message into Scott's head and take over his body?

Spoiler

In quantum physics, particles can appear from nowhere and disappear. This is probably what happened to her, hence the time-limit (she'll disappear and reappear in a random place again). As for her survival for 30 years, in Marvel I think there is a whole civilization living in the quantum realm. She could have been living there.

 

[jye4ever]

I had my fingers crossed that Pym

Spoiler

would be given his comic helmet during the climatic rescue of Janet but NOPE he was given a stupid generic helmet what a bummer. Marvel also chickened out with the spousal abuse lol

 

[Chakor]

Ok here goes.

Lots of fun but that’s not how I would describe it.

My description for this movie is that it’s “A movie with LOTS of heart”

There that perfectly captures it yeah lots of heart lots of touching moments especially if you’re a parent.

This is also the first movie for me where I actually teared up in the first 5 minutes during Janet’s sacrifice even though it was a repeat from the first movie, a very touching moment helped by the fact that you’re watching Hank and Janet Pym from those comics from oh so long ago.

Movie had some hiccups for certain but overall DEFINATELY worth a theatrical experience DEFINATELY!

A few things.

I loved how the

Spoiler

lab kept changing hands during the climatic San Fran chase

For a light movie it went dark at the end really seriously dark.

Spoiler

YES the disintegration shocked me and what made it dark is that poor Janet had been gone for over 30 years just to return and be killed, damn.

That being said the time frame didn't line up for me.

Spoiler

Didn’t the Pyms and Scott see the NYC invasion on tv?

Anyways one final thing.

For you Hereditary fans you will freak out during the end credits i’ll leave it there but holy crap it IMMEDIATELY brought me back to Hereditary.

That is worth repeating. Ant-Man the comedy action movie immediately made me think of Hereditary let that sink in for a moment will you lol

Fans of Hereditary will gasp out loud as I did. lol

So was this better or worse than Black Panther for you?

 

[jye4ever]

Oh god much much better than BP it actually had competent action

 

[e30ernest]

Story-wise I think Black Panther was better. But BP had terrible CG IMO. It was detracting from that film. This film had better effects and I liked the action better here too. The Wasp was especially good.

 

[Chakor]

Oh god much much better than BP it actually had competent action

Yeah Heaven forbid BP lack that when the previous 17 MCU films before it already filled that gap.

Story-wise I think Black Panther was better. But BP had terrible CG IMO. It was detracting from that film. This film had better effects and I liked the action better here too. The Wasp was especially good.

I still like BP, but the CGI was definitely awful (at times); like the animators weren't even trying. PS4 games have better graphics.

 

[jye4ever]

Story-wise I think Black Panther was better. But BP had terrible CG IMO. It was detracting from that film. This film had better effects and I liked the action better here too. The Wasp was especially good.

[FONT=&quot][FONT=&quot]I would say that’s a fair analysis but I have a soft spot for parent child and husband and wife dynamics which made me tear up in Ant-man 2 quite a few times where as with BP I had zero emotional connections to it. [/FONT][/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot][FONT=&quot]Don’t get me wrong I have full respect for BP’s success and humongous cultural significance and impact BUT as just a superhero movie in the grand MCU landscape I place it at the bottom of the list whereas I place Ant-Man 1 and 2 in the middle of the list.[/FONT][/FONT]

Yeah Heaven forbid BP lack that when the previous 17 MCU films before it already filled that gap. .

You do realize that the MCU is the modern equivalent of Star Wars 77 right

 

[e30ernest]

[FONT="][FONT="]I would say that’s a fair analysis but I have a soft spot for parent child and husband and wife dynamics which made me tear up in Ant-man 2 quite a few times where as with BP I had zero emotional connections to it. [/FONT][/FONT]
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[FONT="][FONT="]Don’t get me wrong I have full respect for BP’s success and humongous cultural significance and impact BUT as just a superhero movie in the grand MCU landscape I place it at the bottom of the list whereas I place Ant-Man 1 and 2 in the middle of the list.[/FONT][/FONT]



You do realize that the MCU is the modern equivalent of Star Wars 77 right

Yeah as a parent I can also relate to that. It's just that when you take away the father-daughter dynamics the characters themselves never really advance. Scott is still the same Scott at the end of the movie. The same with Hope and Hank. Well Hank's character may have progressed a bit... but otherwise, there was very little character progression. Their circumstances may have changed at the end, but there was no real growth within them.

BP at least had some character evolution.

 

[jye4ever]

Fair enough but honestly I walked into AM with expectations at rock bottom so I was definitely very pleasantly surprised where as I went into BP expecting it to be better than simultaneous sex with two 19 year old Japanese girls and boy was it NOT that lol

Did I describe the media hype push for BP grand enough or should I add a 19 year old American cheerleader to the mix lol