Any Vegetarians on This Board?

[Blackthornone]

Anything in excess is bad for you, no matter what it is. I wish I had the discpline it takes to be a vegetarian. I do love veggies, fruits, etc. but I still like alittle meat. I try not to go overboard, but BBQ is just too yummy!

Although it is true that almost anything in excess is bad for you, like too much oxygen causing hyperventilation. There ARE however, some things which are toxic to the body in ANY amount. ANY amount of alcohol will destroy brain, heart, liver and kidney cells. The more you drink, the more that are killed. The human body is harmed by animal growth hormones, as well. Animal products aren't the only things that people consume that are bad for them, but it is important to note that a so called "moderate" amount of anything bad will STILL cause damage. People use this term "everything in moderation" as if somehow if a bad thing is only taken in a little bit, the body will be magically protected from ALL harm that that thing can cause. Totally untrue, but it's the rationalization that people use to consume every unhealthy thing that they feel like consuming.


There was a NOVA program that explained that everything you put into your body over your whole life will affect your epigenetics. Every experience that you have will also affect your epigenetics. Epigenes turn genes on or off, to determine the genetic expression of human beings, which means what genetics are expressed. Therefore, all of your health habits will affect the genetics of your descendants, most significantly, your grandchildren. Every drink of alcohol, puff of cigarettes, or consumption of animal products will affect the genetics of your descendants. The fact is that one's personal health habits are a big responsibility, especially if you are going to have children.

People DO eat way too much meat in Western countries. The salty sweet taste of meat is addictive. Meat used to represent wealth hundreds of years ago, which is what eating high on the hog is about. Only the very rich could afford meat every day, and as a result of the status of animal products, only the very rich people had serious disease like heart attacks and gout, while the common people, although poorer, actually were generally much healthier.

As far as variety is concerned, in fact, there are MANY more varieties of plant foods in the world than there are animals. How many people eat spelt, kamut, amaranth, or quinoa, let alone have even heard of these grains? They are all quite tasty. Nutritional expert Gary Null, who eats a vegan diet except he eats honey as well, says that he has never eaten the same meal twice, at least not in decades. He is always formulating new meals, experimenting in the kitchen. There is much much more variety in a vegetarian diet than in a meat based diet. With all of the spices and seasonings there are, with the variety of edible plants in the world, the only limit to the variety of vegetarian dishes, and the great flavors that they have is your creativity and imagination.

If people only ate fish like Salmon 2-3 times a week, and ate enough fruits and vegetables, avoided bad habits like drinking and smoking, as well as engage in regular, moderate aerobic exercise, for 45 minutes or more a day, they probably would live for 100 years without ever having to worry about a heart attack, stroke, or arthritis, and risk of getting cancer would be much reduced.

As far as BBQ, be aware that charcoal grilling can cause nitrosamines, which are carcinogenic.

 

[jinxx]

Anything in excess is bad for you, no matter what it is. I wish I had the discpline it takes to be a vegetarian. I do love veggies, fruits, etc. but I still like alittle meat. I try not to go overboard, but BBQ is just too yummy!

Couldn't have said it better myself!

 

[Mesa]

Although it is true that almost anything in excess is bad for you, like too much oxygen causing hyperventilation. There ARE however, some things which are toxic to the body in ANY amount. ANY amount of alcohol will destroy brain, heart, liver and kidney cells. The more you drink, the more that are killed. The human body is harmed by animal growth hormones, as well. Animal products aren't the only things that people consume that are bad for them, but it is important to note that a so called "moderate" amount of anything bad will STILL cause damage. People use this term "everything in moderation" as if somehow if a bad thing is only taken in a little bit, the body will be magically protected from ALL harm that that thing can cause. Totally untrue, but it's the rationalization that people use to consume every unhealthy thing that they feel like consuming.


There was a NOVA program that explained that everything you put into your body over your whole life will affect your epigenetics. Every experience that you have will also affect your epigenetics. Epigenes turn genes on or off, to determine the genetic expression of human beings, which means what genetics are expressed. Therefore, all of your health habits will affect the genetics of your descendants, most significantly, your grandchildren. Every drink of alcohol, puff of cigarettes, or consumption of animal products will affect the genetics of your descendants. The fact is that one's personal health habits are a big responsibility, especially if you are going to have children.

People DO eat way too much meat in Western countries. The salty sweet taste of meat is addictive. Meat used to represent wealth hundreds of years ago, which is what eating high on the hog is about. Only the very rich could afford meat every day, and as a result of the status of animal products, only the very rich people had serious disease like heart attacks and gout, while the common people, although poorer, actually were generally much healthier.

As far as variety is concerned, in fact, there are MANY more varieties of plant foods in the world than there are animals. How many people eat spelt, kamut, amaranth, or quinoa, let alone have even heard of these grains? They are all quite tasty. Nutritional expert Gary Null, who eats a vegan diet except he eats honey as well, says that he has never eaten the same meal twice, at least not in decades. He is always formulating new meals, experimenting in the kitchen. There is much much more variety in a vegetarian diet than in a meat based diet. With all of the spices and seasonings there are, with the variety of edible plants in the world, the only limit to the variety of vegetarian dishes, and the great flavors that they have is your creativity and imagination.

If people only ate fish like Salmon 2-3 times a week, and ate enough fruits and vegetables, avoided bad habits like drinking and smoking, as well as engage in regular, moderate aerobic exercise, for 45 minutes or more a day, they probably would live for 100 years without ever having to worry about a heart attack, stroke, or arthritis, and risk of getting cancer would be much reduced.

As far as BBQ, be aware that charcoal grilling can cause nitrosamines, which are carcinogenic.

Congratulations Black Thorone,

You sucked the little bit of fun there was in this thread right out of it.

 

[Blackthornone]

Congratulations Black Thorone,

You sucked the little bit of fun there was in this thread right out of it.

You know, I should have typed my name in better. It's actually Blackthorn One. I see this thread as a serious discussion on the matter of vegetarianism, and one in which insight and advice on the subject is discussed. Fact is, that a vegetarian diet, properly practiced, gives the body everything it needs, and nothing it doesn't or that is harmful to it, like hormones, excess protein, uric acid, or saturated fat or cholesterol, AND can be as tasty, or tastier than any meat based diet. The fact is that when people go vegan,their taste buds actually become more sensitive, so you can better taste the more subtle nuances of the flavor of an orange, for example. I've heard others say this, and I know it to be true, because I ate animal products for 20 years, and then I switched to veganism.

By the way, even plant foods DO contain cholesterol. It a binding agent that holds the cells together. All living organisms have it. Animals have more, because they have muscles, and they move, but since plants dont have moving limbs, they need very little. Nutritionally speaking, though, there is very little cholesterol in plant foods, always less than 1 milligram in any dish, which is why the amount of cholesterol on any plant based food is always listed as zero. Scientifically speaking, however, plants DO contain some cholesterol. The plant with the most cholesterol is the three leaved yam.
Cholesterol is the glue that keeps the body from falling apart, so you need it. but too much cholesterol in the body, and the glue will overflow in the arteries and causes things to stick to your insides that shouldn't, namely plaque on the insides of your arteries.
Fortunately, the body makes all the cholesterol it needs, which is why eating animal products puts too much cholesterol in the body, because at that point, you have the cholesterol of TWO bodies in your one body, and that is simply too much. Yes, the body cuts back on cholesterol production if animal products are eaten, but not enough.

 

[Morbach]

If vegetarians/vegans are so healthy via their diet why do they need to take vitamins? A doctor told me how you must take several kinds of vitamins because that diet alone deprives the body of certain nutrients. Either way I could use a bacon burger now.

 

[-jay-]

If vegetarians/vegans are so healthy via their diet why do they need to take vitamins? A doctor told me how you must take several kinds of vitamins because that diet alone deprives the body of certain nutrients. Either way I could use a bacon burger now.

 

[creecher]

Don't be put off by the beef eaters Blackthorneone. I, for one, have been enjoying your insightful posts. Plenty of fun to be had here still, and plenty of other threads are specifically for it.

I'm not a cook, hate cooking, not really into food that much either, so I take the easiest ways out, to my own detriment. It's good to have the truth in my face, without prejudice. I really need to take an active roll in my own welfare and develop a more positive beneficial diet. I would have thought someone would have come up with a complete vegetarian diet, of easily acquired and cooked foods, for lazy apathetics, like myself, by now. Maybe I missed it. Yes, still looking for the easy way out. Keep posting.

 

[Mesa]

You know, I should have typed my name in better. It's actually Blackthorn One. I see this thread as a serious discussion on the matter of vegetarianism, and one in which insight and advice on the subject is discussed. Fact is, that a vegetarian diet, properly practiced, gives the body everything it needs, and nothing it doesn't or that is harmful to it, like hormones, excess protein, uric acid, or saturated fat or cholesterol, AND can be as tasty, or tastier than any meat based diet. The fact is that when people go vegan,their taste buds actually become more sensitive, so you can better taste the more subtle nuances of the flavor of an orange, for example. I've heard others say this, and I know it to be true, because I ate animal products for 20 years, and then I switched to veganism.

By the way, even plant foods DO contain cholesterol. It a binding agent that holds the cells together. All living organisms have it. Animals have more, because they have muscles, and they move, but since plants dont have moving limbs, they need very little. Nutritionally speaking, though, there is very little cholesterol in plant foods, always less than 1 milligram in any dish, which is why the amount of cholesterol on any plant based food is always listed as zero. Scientifically speaking, however, plants DO contain some cholesterol. The plant with the most cholesterol is the three leaved yam.
Cholesterol is the glue that keeps the body from falling apart, so you need it. but too much cholesterol in the body, and the glue will overflow in the arteries and causes things to stick to your insides that shouldn't, namely plaque on the insides of your arteries.
Fortunately, the body makes all the cholesterol it needs, which is why eating animal products puts too much cholesterol in the body, because at that point, you have the cholesterol of TWO bodies in your one body, and that is simply too much. Yes, the body cuts back on cholesterol production if animal products are eaten, but not enough.

seriously man, your posts are so long that I read the first three words and then tune it out.


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[mr.thrifty]

Death....








no matter what you eat.....














you'll still die.....

 

[-jay-]

Death....








no matter what you eat.....














you'll still die.....

So true which is why i eat what i want when i want and how much i want.

 

[Blackthornone]

If vegetarians/vegans are so healthy via their diet why do they need to take vitamins? A doctor told me how you must take several kinds of vitamins because that diet alone deprives the body of certain nutrients. Either way I could use a bacon burger now.

Actually a healthy vegan diet (that has plenty of veggies and fruits and beans legumes, nuts, seeds, and whole grains, with the addition of sea vegetables, like kelp, which are very high in minerals and vitamins, needs very little vitamin supplementation. One thing I definitely recommend however, is juicing. Freshly extracted organic carrot, kale, collard, parsley, or cabbage juices are the easiest way to get concentrated quantities of easiest to assimilate vitamins and minerals into the body. Blue green algae or kamut juice freeze dried or barley juice freeze dried supplements are an ideal way to supplement everything the body needs without pills, except maybe B-12. If people didn't scrub their veggies as much, then they would get more B12 from their food, but with the lack of hygiene in fertilizers, that can be a problem. There is no substitute for a nutritious diet., You need to eat healthy food to begin with, and then add supplements to make up for any nutrient deficiencies caused by depleted soil that crops are grown in. You can't eat white bread and make up for it with pills.

Because animal products are so high in protein, even cow's milk, they cause calcium deficiency, which I explained earlier. When it comes to animal milks, it is important to realize that there is a big difference in the protein concentration of various milks. Rat milk is the highest in protein, with 16%, whereas human milk is among the lowest, with 2.5% as I recall, cow's milk is around 11 or 12%. That's a pretty big difference, that should really tell you something. Each milk is designed to feed each specific species. In nature, it is extremely rare for any animal to suckle from another species, and all animals stop drinking milk upon leaving infancy. Human beings are the only species on the planet that drinks milk after infancy. That fact always bothered me. In fact, lactose deficiency is somewhat common in Asians and blacks, because human beings aren't designed to drink milk after infancy. It is also interesting that the countries with the highest milk consumption also have the highest rates of osteoporosis, according to the World Health Organization. Milk it does a body god, is absolutely true, if you are a baby cow. The milk producers can legally say that milk it does a body good, so long as they don't specify a human body good in the phrase, from what I hear. People have tried to sue the American Dairy council for this advertising, but basically, as long as they don't say a human body good, they can't be forced to stop the slogan.

Speaking of nutrient deficiency from diet, a lot of this is the result of cooking. Heat destroys the amino acid taurine, which is needed by dogs and cats for sight, but it also destroys L-carnitine, which is needed for healthy heart function. It is difficult for a dog or cat to live into its teens without it. L-carnitine is an expensive nutrient (about $30 for a 30 day supply for humans, and I have taken it, it's great stuff. It helps the brain, too. I have really found that it helps me do more complex thinking easier.) and because L-carnitine is so expensive, it isn't added back to most pet foods, except for at least one, Evolution vegan dog and cat food, how ironic. A vegetarian food which is said to be unhealthy for dogs and cats because plants lack nutrients that dogs and cats need actually has a nutrient that dogs and cats need that most meat based dog and cat foods DON'T have. But then,it seems to me that only someone who really cares about animals would pay the cost to put it in the food, and it is quite likely that only a vegan veterinarian would care enough about animals to do it. But I have digressed...

Speaking of getting your nutrients from animal products, be aware that even though liver has a lot of vitamins and minerals, by the same token, it ALSO has a LOT of toxins, because it filters out all of the wastes of the animals' system, which is why it is so high in vitamins and minerals in the first place. I won't even feed non organic liver to a cat, let alone condone feeding it to humans. Its the body's garbage filter. The liver is REALLY high in pesticide and other chemicals because it filters the blood.

Bacon is REALLY high in fat and sodium, and so it is a recipe for cardiovascular disease and high blood pressure. The Jews are wise indeed not to eat it. Salmon is meat, too, but it is far safer. For that matter, so is buffalo, lamb, turkey, beef, venison, and others. Bacon is just plain bad for you, and you don't need to be a vegetarian to know that.

 

[Blackthornone]

Death....








no matter what you eat.....














you'll still die.....

Extend the logic. Why add one more cause? It's like losing one finger, and then saying, well, what does it matter if I lose another one, to make it two fingers lost? It isn't like either you'll have all of the hazards in life OR die from diet, it's you'll have all of the hazards in life OR you'll have all of the hazards in life AND get disease from bad diet. Hmm, which one would I rather have?

 

[darthviper107]

Extend the logic. Why add one more cause? It's like losing one finger, and then saying, well, what does it matter if I lose another one, to make it two fingers lost? It isn't like either you'll have all of the hazards in life OR die from diet, it's you'll have all of the hazards in life OR you'll have all of the hazards in life AND get disease from bad diet. Hmm, which one would I rather have?

Vegetables aren't immune from giving you diseases, or from having preservatives.

Plus there's plenty of stuff that people do in life that can cause damage to your body anyways. And I'm not talking about doing drugs or smoking.

 

[Blackthornone]

Don't be put off by the beef eaters Blackthorneone. I, for one, have been enjoying your insightful posts. Plenty of fun to be had here still, and plenty of other threads are specifically for it.

I'm not a cook, hate cooking, not really into food that much either, so I take the easiest ways out, to my own detriment. It's good to have the truth in my face, without prejudice. I really need to take an active roll in my own welfare and develop a more positive beneficial diet. I would have thought someone would have come up with a complete vegetarian diet, of easily acquired and cooked foods, for lazy apathetics, like myself, by now. Maybe I missed it. Yes, still looking for the easy way out. Keep posting.

Maybe you should read this: Delights Of The Garden, https://www.amazon.com/Delights-Garden-Imar-Hutchins/dp/0385479654, which in fact a book of raw food recipes.
There is a pulverized whole meal vegan food that is freeze dried that you mix with banana and apple in a blender to make a smoothie that has all of the nutrients you need for the day, called The Ultimate Meal. Honestly, you won't want to eat it all day long. I have tried, after all. But it is really nutrient dense. If you are super lazy, then it might be something that you could try. I gotta admit, though, it's not great tasting (the banana sure helps) but it isn't really bad either.
Like a said before, protein powder smoothies are a pretty easy way to get all your protein, and it tastes great, too.

 

[creecher]

On your marks. Get set. Die.

 

[Blackthornone]

Vegetables aren't immune from giving you diseases, or from having preservatives.

Plus there's plenty of stuff that people do in life that can cause damage to your body anyways. And I'm not talking about doing drugs or smoking.

Well, eating the right healthy plants isn't going to give you diseases. Yes, plants can certainly carry bacteria, even deadly bacteria like e coli, but I am speaking of organic fresh foods, or at least organic foods made without preservatives. Meat always has too much sodium, and too much protein. If you cook it, it can coat your arteries, and causes cardiovascular disease. fresh organic plant foods can do that. Yes, margarine can cause heart disease, but I'm not talking about that stuff.
Extend the logic. It isn't an either or in many cases with unhealthy things. Its one or both.

 

[-jay-]

On your marks. Get set. Die.

I've eaten fast food nearly my whole life (although i'm still thin) i'm 29 how long will i have left?

 

[mr.thrifty]

Extend the logic. Why add one more cause? It's like losing one finger, and then saying, well, what does it matter if I lose another one, to make it two fingers lost? It isn't like either you'll have all of the hazards in life OR die from diet, it's you'll have all of the hazards in life OR you'll have all of the hazards in life AND get disease from bad diet. Hmm, which one would I rather have?

I think you're in the wrong forum..... there was the tool that cried about buying more than one EX and then this version of you.

that must have been your "special" side in the other thread...


in your "logic" of proper food consumption.. please explain why everything dies?

If being a Veggie = long and healthy life.... then why do the people of beliefs that don't eat meat still suffer and DIE???

 

[creecher]

Maybe you should read this: Delights Of The Garden, https://www.amazon.com/Delights-Garden-Imar-Hutchins/dp/0385479654, which in fact a book of raw food recipes.

There is a pulverized whole meal vegan food that is freeze dried that you mix with banana and apple in a blender to make a smoothie that has all of the nutrients you need for the day, called The Ultimate Meal. Honestly, you won't want to eat it all day long. I have tried, after all. But it is really nutrient dense. If you are super lazy, then it might be something that you could try. I gotta admit, though, it's not great tasting (the banana sure helps) but it isn't really bad either.

Like a said before, protein powder smoothies are a pretty easy way to get all your protein, and it tastes great, too.

Thanks for the quick and excellent tips in a nut shell. Liquid lunch and dinners. I'm halfway there. Luckily I like banana's. Peel and eat. That's my style. I'll check out that link. Plenty of used books from one cent. I'm cheap too, btw. Cheers.

Jay. 29 phht. I was a rake when I was 29. I'll give you until retirement, then I bet you keel over. You're lucky that by that time they'll have replacement body parts and suitable expensive mechanical devices to keep you going. You might want to grab a cheap iron lung while you can get one below retail.

 

[-jay-]

Jay. 29 phht. I was a rake when I was 29. I'll give you until retirement, then I bet you keel over. You're lucky that by that time they'll have replacement body parts and suitable expensive mechanical devices to keep you going. You might want to grab a cheap iron lung while you can get one below retail.

That would be sweet eh?