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Actually a healthy vegan diet (that has plenty of veggies and fruits and beans legumes, nuts, seeds, and whole grains, with the addition of sea vegetables, like kelp, which are very high in minerals and vitamins, needs very little vitamin supplementation. One thing I definitely recommend however, is juicing. Freshly extracted organic carrot, kale, collard, parsley, or cabbage juices are the easiest way to get concentrated quantities of easiest to assimilate vitamins and minerals into the body. Blue green algae or kamut juice freeze dried or barley juice freeze dried supplements are an ideal way to supplement everything the body needs without pills, except maybe B-12. If people didn't scrub their veggies as much, then they would get more B12 from their food, but with the lack of hygiene in fertilizers, that can be a problem. There is no substitute for a nutritious diet., You need to eat healthy food to begin with, and then add supplements to make up for any nutrient deficiencies caused by depleted soil that crops are grown in. You can't eat white bread and make up for it with pills.

Because animal products are so high in protein, even cow's milk, they cause calcium deficiency, which I explained earlier. When it comes to animal milks, it is important to realize that there is a big difference in the protein concentration of various milks. Rat milk is the highest in protein, with 16%, whereas human milk is among the lowest, with 2.5% as I recall, cow's milk is around 11 or 12%. That's a pretty big difference, that should really tell you something. Each milk is designed to feed each specific species. In nature, it is extremely rare for any animal to suckle from another species, and all animals stop drinking milk upon leaving infancy. Human beings are the only species on the planet that drinks milk after infancy. That fact always bothered me. In fact, lactose deficiency is somewhat common in Asians and blacks, because human beings aren't designed to drink milk after infancy. It is also interesting that the countries with the highest milk consumption also have the highest rates of osteoporosis, according to the World Health Organization. Milk it does a body god, is absolutely true, if you are a baby cow. The milk producers can legally say that milk it does a body good, so long as they don't specify a human body good in the phrase, from what I hear. People have tried to sue the American Dairy council for this advertising, but basically, as long as they don't say a human body good, they can't be forced to stop the slogan.

Speaking of nutrient deficiency from diet, a lot of this is the result of cooking. Heat destroys the amino acid taurine, which is needed by dogs and cats for sight, but it also destroys L-carnitine, which is needed for healthy heart function. It is difficult for a dog or cat to live into its teens without it. L-carnitine is an expensive nutrient (about $30 for a 30 day supply for humans, and I have taken it, it's great stuff. It helps the brain, too. I have really found that it helps me do more complex thinking easier.) and because L-carnitine is so expensive, it isn't added back to most pet foods, except for at least one, Evolution vegan dog and cat food, how ironic. A vegetarian food which is said to be unhealthy for dogs and cats because plants lack nutrients that dogs and cats need actually has a nutrient that dogs and cats need that most meat based dog and cat foods DON'T have. But then,it seems to me that only someone who really cares about animals would pay the cost to put it in the food, and it is quite likely that only a vegan veterinarian would care enough about animals to do it. But I have digressed...

Speaking of getting your nutrients from animal products, be aware that even though liver has a lot of vitamins and minerals, by the same token, it ALSO has a LOT of toxins, because it filters out all of the wastes of the animals' system, which is why it is so high in vitamins and minerals in the first place. I won't even feed non organic liver to a cat, let alone condone feeding it to humans. Its the body's garbage filter. The liver is REALLY high in pesticide and other chemicals because it filters the blood.

Bacon is REALLY high in fat and sodium, and so it is a recipe for cardiovascular disease and high blood pressure. The Jews are wise indeed not to eat it. Salmon is meat, too, but it is far safer. For that matter, so is buffalo, lamb, turkey, beef, venison, and others. Bacon is just plain bad for you, and you don't need to be a vegetarian to know that.

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That would be sweet eh?
Jay, you're alright. A sense of humour has to be a good thing for longevity.

I had a friend that died two weeks ago. Eyes went yellow, liver failed, blood started pouring from every orifice. No it wasn't directly due to his diet, but if he had been healthier he would have lived longer, seen his two infant sons grow, at least older, and suffered from less physical problems.

. please explain why[Ueverything[/U] dies?

If being a Veggie = long and healthy life.... then why do the people of beliefs that don't eat meat still suffer and DIE???

It's called a life cycle. If you breathe oxygen, you can compare it to actually rusting. Eventually fatigue takes it's toll. What about the amount of poisonous gas automobiles pump into the atmosphere. Just from reading this thread, methane from animals. Can't remember who it was that came up with a heap of reasons earlier. One of Jinxx's posts from memory or was it Cloud. I need a shake stat. Memory loss and short attention span. Hi Mesa :wave

People of other beliefs that don't eat meat??? Which people? At a guess, just looking at myself I'd say because of, lack of education, motivation, understanding of dietary principals, unavailability of a wide enough range of vegetable matter to cover the required nutrient levels, apathy and ignorance, to mention a few.

I'm not particularly subscribing to become a vegetarian, at this stage. I think what Sam said about being omnivores is relevant. Post 336 amongst other of her posts. Prefused mentioned some interesting things as well. Post 89. No good waiting until you're suffering and then complaining. Incorporate something new into your lives. We're all here to survive, and that takes planning. Anyway, last but not least, being too big in the pants and having your brain drain of blood and therefore oxygen. Restrict your erections to under four minutes to be safe. Don't forget not to burn your toast peoples. It all takes its toll. Live long and prosper, not die young it's less costlier. Hmmm rhyming skills failing too.
 
I had a friend that died two weeks ago. Eyes went yellow, liver failed, blood started pouring from every orifice. No it wasn't directly due to his diet, but if he had been healthier he would have lived longer, seen his two infant sons grow, at least older, and suffered from less physical problems.

That's awful i'm sorry to hear that bud. :(
 
Well, eating the right healthy plants isn't going to give you diseases. Yes, plants can certainly carry bacteria, even deadly bacteria like e coli, but I am speaking of organic fresh foods, or at least organic foods made without preservatives. Meat always has too much sodium, and too much protein. If you cook it, it can coat your arteries, and causes cardiovascular disease. fresh organic plant foods can do that. Yes, margarine can cause heart disease, but I'm not talking about that stuff.
Extend the logic. It isn't an either or in many cases with unhealthy things. Its one or both.

Where do you think e-coli comes from? It's a bacteria found in the digestive system, organic foods can pick that up just as easily as any other.

Unless you eat tons of meat all the time, your not causing much damage.

BTW---since we're on the topic of meat, I've never had steak before.
 
That's awful i'm sorry to hear that bud. :(
It is awful, but it's also natural. Don't feel sorry to hear it, it's his partner and kids that are suffering now. It did give me a few days of anxiety last week, that's perhaps why I have a renewed interest in living, at least a little longer than I would if I don't do something for myself.
 
Where do you think e-coli comes from? It's a bacteria found in the digestive system, organic foods can pick that up just as easily as any other.

Unless you eat tons of meat all the time, your not causing much damage.

BTW---since we're on the topic of meat, I've never had steak before.

Yes, I know that organic foods can certainly pick up e coli. My point was that you can have a diet of healthy plant foods that doesn't cause disease to any degree, but you can't have that with a meat based diet. Remember that all animals eat plants, directly or indirectly. If a plant has it, then chances are, so will the animal which eats it. Meat has animal hormones, uric acid, and high cholesterol that aren't good, period.
 
Yes, I know that organic foods can certainly pick up e coli. My point was that you can have a diet of healthy plant foods that doesn't cause disease to any degree, but you can't have that with a meat based diet. Remember that all animals eat plants, directly or indirectly. If a plant has it, then chances are, so will the animal which eats it. Meat has animal hormones, uric acid, and high cholesterol that aren't good, period.
This is my personal experience and mine alone. I can't stand the taste of veggies. I can eat salads, and potatoes, and corn, but cannot stand the taste of the good ones. Brocolli, peas, collard greens all make me physically ill.

I'm no research junkie or anything but just a quick look on Google shows that there is very little differance in life expectancy between an omnivore and a vegetarian. A couple different sites report it but I will just link to this one.

https://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/09/21/1064082865083.html

That site says being a vegan for 20 years adds 4 years to your life.

Another figure I got was life span of vegetarians which is 78.5 for men 82.3 for women.

Now this link shows average life expectancies of different countries. The US one says 74.85 for men and 82.39 for women.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expectancy

So where that leaves me is I can eat veggies only and possibly extend my life by 4 years or continue to be an omnivore and enjoy eating and still be old enough to have a beer with my grandkids whenever I get them. Hmm, I think I'll continue to eat meat.
 
Actually a healthy vegan diet (that has plenty of veggies and fruits and beans legumes, nuts, seeds, and whole grains, with the addition of sea vegetables, like kelp, which are very high in minerals and vitamins, needs very little vitamin supplementation. One thing I definitely recommend however, is juicing. Freshly extracted organic carrot, kale, collard, parsley, or cabbage juices are the easiest way to get concentrated quantities of easiest to assimilate vitamins and minerals into the body. Blue green algae or kamut juice freeze dried or barley juice freeze dried supplements are an ideal way to supplement everything the body needs without pills, except maybe B-12. If people didn't scrub their veggies as much, then they would get more B12 from their food, but with the lack of hygiene in fertilizers, that can be a problem. There is no substitute for a nutritious diet., You need to eat healthy food to begin with, and then add supplements to make up for any nutrient deficiencies caused by depleted soil that crops are grown in. You can't eat white bread and make up for it with pills.

Because animal products are so high in protein, even cow's milk, they cause calcium deficiency, which I explained earlier. When it comes to animal milks, it is important to realize that there is a big difference in the protein concentration of various milks. Rat milk is the highest in protein, with 16%, whereas human milk is among the lowest, with 2.5% as I recall, cow's milk is around 11 or 12%. That's a pretty big difference, that should really tell you something. Each milk is designed to feed each specific species. In nature, it is extremely rare for any animal to suckle from another species, and all animals stop drinking milk upon leaving infancy. Human beings are the only species on the planet that drinks milk after infancy. That fact always bothered me. In fact, lactose deficiency is somewhat common in Asians and blacks, because human beings aren't designed to drink milk after infancy. It is also interesting that the countries with the highest milk consumption also have the highest rates of osteoporosis, according to the World Health Organization. Milk it does a body god, is absolutely true, if you are a baby cow. The milk producers can legally say that milk it does a body good, so long as they don't specify a human body good in the phrase, from what I hear. People have tried to sue the American Dairy council for this advertising, but basically, as long as they don't say a human body good, they can't be forced to stop the slogan.

Speaking of nutrient deficiency from diet, a lot of this is the result of cooking. Heat destroys the amino acid taurine, which is needed by dogs and cats for sight, but it also destroys L-carnitine, which is needed for healthy heart function. It is difficult for a dog or cat to live into its teens without it. L-carnitine is an expensive nutrient (about $30 for a 30 day supply for humans, and I have taken it, it's great stuff. It helps the brain, too. I have really found that it helps me do more complex thinking easier.) and because L-carnitine is so expensive, it isn't added back to most pet foods, except for at least one, Evolution vegan dog and cat food, how ironic. A vegetarian food which is said to be unhealthy for dogs and cats because plants lack nutrients that dogs and cats need actually has a nutrient that dogs and cats need that most meat based dog and cat foods DON'T have. But then,it seems to me that only someone who really cares about animals would pay the cost to put it in the food, and it is quite likely that only a vegan veterinarian would care enough about animals to do it. But I have digressed...

Speaking of getting your nutrients from animal products, be aware that even though liver has a lot of vitamins and minerals, by the same token, it ALSO has a LOT of toxins, because it filters out all of the wastes of the animals' system, which is why it is so high in vitamins and minerals in the first place. I won't even feed non organic liver to a cat, let alone condone feeding it to humans. Its the body's garbage filter. The liver is REALLY high in pesticide and other chemicals because it filters the blood.

Bacon is REALLY high in fat and sodium, and so it is a recipe for cardiovascular disease and high blood pressure. The Jews are wise indeed not to eat it. Salmon is meat, too, but it is far safer. For that matter, so is buffalo, lamb, turkey, beef, venison, and others. Bacon is just plain bad for you, and you don't need to be a vegetarian to know that.

Huh...must be hard being a vegan. Tell me, do you grow your own fruits and vegetables or do you buy local?
 
Huh...must be hard being a vegan. Tell me, do you grow your own fruits and vegetables or do you buy local?

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You're hilarious!!! :lol!!...

Yes, I know that organic foods can certainly pick up e coli. My point was that you can have a diet of healthy plant foods that doesn't cause disease to any degree, but you can't have that with a meat based diet. Remember that all animals eat plants, directly or indirectly. If a plant has it, then chances are, so will the animal which eats it. Meat has animal hormones, uric acid, and high cholesterol that aren't good, period.

Dude, your posts have been very useful, there were quite a few things I wasn't aware of.
Unfortunately some people here are just don't appreciate this... :dunno...
 
I think you're in the wrong forum..... there was the tool that cried about buying more than one EX and then this version of you. :google

that must have been your "special" side in the other thread...:dunno


in your "logic" of proper food consumption.. please explain why everything dies?

If being a Veggie = long and healthy life.... then why do the people of beliefs that don't eat meat still suffer and DIE???

Being a vegetarian isn't going to make you immortal. But, by the same token, not eating something that isn't good for the body will always logically help you to live longer and healthier.
I could try to give you an answer as to why all vegetarians die, but that would be a spiritually based speculation and wouldn't actually be a vegetarian fact.
 
This is my personal experience and mine alone. I can't stand the taste of veggies. I can eat salads, and potatoes, and corn, but cannot stand the taste of the good ones. Brocolli, peas, collard greens all make me physically ill.

I'm no research junkie or anything but just a quick look on Google shows that there is very little differance in life expectancy between an omnivore and a vegetarian. A couple different sites report it but I will just link to this one.

https://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/09/21/1064082865083.html

That site says being a vegan for 20 years adds 4 years to your life.

Another figure I got was life span of vegetarians which is 78.5 for men 82.3 for women.

Now this link shows average life expectancies of different countries. The US one says 74.85 for men and 82.39 for women.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expectancy

So where that leaves me is I can eat veggies only and possibly extend my life by 4 years or continue to be an omnivore and enjoy eating and still be old enough to have a beer with my grandkids whenever I get them. Hmm, I think I'll continue to eat meat.

Well, broccoli isn't a real food. It was invented by the Broccoli family, the same one that produces the James Bond films. I'm pretty sure Broccoli is part cauliflower and part cabbage. It always gives me gas. I had broccoli juice mixed in with carrot juice 3 times, and each time, it made my stomach blow up like a balloon.
Organic vegetables taste a LOT better than the chemically grown ones. The chemically grown ones have a chemical taste that real vegetables simply don't have , and furthermore, they lack the minerals that organically grown produce has, and so they don't have the full flavor of what those vegetables should have. So chemically grown vegetables lack real flavor and at the same time, have a chemical taste to them.

One thing that people don't know is that pesticides become 7 times more toxic when they are cooked. In my opinion, some chemically grown vegetables become 7 times worse tasting, too. Carrots I've found are especially like this. I always hated cooked carrots, but I always found raw carrot sticks, particularly cold, to be tasty. Then I discovered organic carrots, and what a difference! Cooked carrots are tasty now. Lima beans cooked used to be the WORST EVER to me. I HATED those. I would rather go hungry than eat them, then I had organic ones in a mixed vegetable type of meal, and I have to say, they weren't too bad. I'm not in love with them, but they are ok. I have only had organic collard greens, and I like them. I have had organic raw spinach, and it was so sweet, I swear it tastes like it was dipped in sugar. Delicious! But spinach is high in oxalic acid, which is bad for the enamel of the teeth, so I don't eat much of it.
Have you ever had Peruvian blue potatoes? They are great! They are blue, like blue corn (blue corn chips are great)but not as dark a blue as blueberries. They are somewhat robust in flavor, yet smooth, and rather sweet. Yukon Gold potatoes are the best. They have a natural buttery like flavor all by themselves. Forget all about the brown potatoes. I should say that potatoes are one of the foods that are highest in pesticides, because they grow underground, and they soak it in from the soil. Peanuts and grapes/raisins are also among the highest in pesticides. They are considered red light foods, in David Steinman's book, Diet For A Poisoned Planet. Peaches are a yellow light food. Strawberries are also a yellow light food. Red means the most toxic, yellow means fairly toxic, and green means pretty safe. Oranges and bananas are green light foods, in part due to their thick skins, which not only block a lot of pesticides, but because of their thick skins, less pesticides are used in the first place, because they aren't needed. You should only buy organic peanuts/peanut butter, potatoes, and or grapes/raisins.
Interestingly, the farms with the highest crop yields per acre have been achieved on organic farms.

Also, farmers have been able to feed their animals 10% less food, when it is organic, because of the greater nutritional content. ( The animals just stop eating sooner. They don't withhold food)
Hunger is in a large part, driven by the body's craving for nutrients. That is why people eat so much junk food when they eat it, and thus get fat much easier, because the food is so low in nutrients, that the body is driven to eat more of it in order to get enough nutrients that it needs to live. If you eat much more nutrient dense food, it is easier to lose excess weight.


According to the findings in the book, Healthy at 100, by John Robbins, the longest lived cultures in the world are vegetarian, or almost totally vegetarian. The Abkasians, the Hunzas, the Okinawans, and the Vivacabambans all eat very little animal products. A lot of those people live to 110 or 120 years. I seem to recall that the latest studies reveal that a vegetarian diet can add 8 years to your lifespan, and not just 4. It should also be noted, that those are HEALTHY, YOUNG years. A lot of people think, oh, I don't want to live to 120. Think of how wrinkled I'd be. That isn't how it works. It is the young years that are extended, and not the decrepit ones. Any woman who is a model should really pay more attention to this. All for now.
 
Huh...must be hard being a vegan. Tell me, do you grow your own fruits and vegetables or do you buy local?

I don not grow my own produce at this time, but I am working on a garden. I prefer the farmer's market, but I usually go to Trader Joe's or the health food store for my food.
 
I thought the red in foods, such as berries, meant they contained higher levers of antioxidants. Blueberries being high on the list because they're so dark red they appear blue.

What's the opinion on genetically engineered foods? Wouldn't they absorb more pesticides and be more harmful even though they appear more healthy and robust for the general buying public? Cheaper better yield and longer lasting, yet end up compounding health problems in the years to come.

What about commercial enterprise copyrighting seed variations, and monopolising crops, by making the seeds from the seedlings you purchase, to grow your own veggies, sterile?

The slopes are getting slipperier.
 
Well, broccoli isn't a real food. It was invented by the Broccoli family, the same one that produces the James Bond films. I'm pretty sure Broccoli is part cauliflower and part cabbage. It always gives me gas. I had broccoli juice mixed in with carrot juice 3 times, and each time, it made my stomach blow up like a balloon.
Organic vegetables taste a LOT better than the chemically grown ones. The chemically grown ones have a chemical taste that real vegetables simply don't have , and furthermore, they lack the minerals that organically grown produce has, and so they don't have the full flavor of what those vegetables should have. So chemically grown vegetables lack real flavor and at the same time, have a chemical taste to them.

One thing that people don't know is that pesticides become 7 times more toxic when they are cooked. In my opinion, some chemically grown vegetables become 7 times worse tasting, too. Carrots I've found are especially like this. I always hated cooked carrots, but I always found raw carrot sticks, particularly cold, to be tasty. Then I discovered organic carrots, and what a difference! Cooked carrots are tasty now. Lima beans cooked used to be the WORST EVER to me. I HATED those. I would rather go hungry than eat them, then I had organic ones in a mixed vegetable type of meal, and I have to say, they weren't too bad. I'm not in love with them, but they are ok. I have only had organic collard greens, and I like them. I have had organic raw spinach, and it was so sweet, I swear it tastes like it was dipped in sugar. Delicious! But spinach is high in oxalic acid, which is bad for the enamel of the teeth, so I don't eat much of it.
Have you ever had Peruvian blue potatoes? They are great! They are blue, like blue corn (blue corn chips are great)but not as dark a blue as blueberries. They are somewhat robust in flavor, yet smooth, and rather sweet. Yukon Gold potatoes are the best. They have a natural buttery like flavor all by themselves. Forget all about the brown potatoes. I should say that potatoes are one of the foods that are highest in pesticides, because they grow underground, and they soak it in from the soil. Peanuts and grapes/raisins are also among the highest in pesticides. They are considered red light foods, in David Steinman's book, Diet For A Poisoned Planet. Peaches are a yellow light food. Strawberries are also a yellow light food. Red means the most toxic, yellow means fairly toxic, and green means pretty safe. Oranges and bananas are green light foods, in part due to their thick skins, which not only block a lot of pesticides, but because of their thick skins, less pesticides are used in the first place, because they aren't needed. You should only buy organic peanuts/peanut butter, potatoes, and or grapes/raisins.
Interestingly, the farms with the highest crop yields per acre have been achieved on organic farms.

Also, farmers have been able to feed their animals 10% less food, when it is organic, because of the greater nutritional content. ( The animals just stop eating sooner. They don't withhold food)
Hunger is in a large part, driven by the body's craving for nutrients. That is why people eat so much junk food when they eat it, and thus get fat much easier, because the food is so low in nutrients, that the body is driven to eat more of it in order to get enough nutrients that it needs to live. If you eat much more nutrient dense food, it is easier to lose excess weight.


According to the findings in the book, Healthy at 100, by John Robbins, the longest lived cultures in the world are vegetarian, or almost totally vegetarian. The Abkasians, the Hunzas, the Okinawans, and the Vivacabambans all eat very little animal products. A lot of those people live to 110 or 120 years. I seem to recall that the latest studies reveal that a vegetarian diet can add 8 years to your lifespan, and not just 4. It should also be noted, that those are HEALTHY, YOUNG years. A lot of people think, oh, I don't want to live to 120. Think of how wrinkled I'd be. That isn't how it works. It is the young years that are extended, and not the decrepit ones. Any woman who is a model should really pay more attention to this. All for now.

One of the hardest things on your body is stress, and if I had to worry, read and stress over every little bit of food I put in my mouth like you seem to, I wouldn't live long. :lol

I think longevity can't be measured simply by diet alone.
 
I thought the red in foods, such as berries, meant they contained higher levers of antioxidants. Blueberries being high on the list because they're so dark red they appear blue.

What's the opinion on genetically engineered foods? Wouldn't they absorb more pesticides and be more harmful even though they appear more healthy and robust for the general buying public? Cheaper better yield and longer lasting, yet end up compounding health problems in the years to come.

What about commercial enterprise copyrighting seed variations, and monopolising crops, by making the seeds from the seedlings you purchase, to grow your own veggies, sterile?

The slopes are getting slipperier.

You'll be fine. Australians have one of the longest lifespans. :)
 
Like the difference between a vegan and vegetarian?

A vegetarian, as in a total vegetarian, is someone who eats no meat, flish, eggs, or dairy, but may eat honey, as I recall the definition of the American Vegan Society. A vegan is someone who not only does not eat animal products of any kind, including honey and gelatin, as in capsules, but also does not use silk, wool, down, leather, or beeswax, and makes the effort to avoid using animal products in all the other areas. For example, a vegan would prefer digital photography to film photography, because of the gelatin, which is an animal product, that is used in film. There is an animal product used in the rubber in tires, so that cannot be avoided, other than say not buying tires.
There are varying thoughts on the subject of still using old products made from animals. While all true vegans agree that it is not vegan to buy products with animal products when there are equal non animal based alternatives, there are different philosophies about say, using old leather shoes, or ice skates, which might not even be available in non leather, or using a leather wallet. Some people feel it is wasteful not to use old leather or wool items, while others feel it is just wrong to use them at all, so they just throw them away. Others feel that it is best to give them away to non vegans or Goodwill, so that they might at least be used by someone. My personal feelings on the matter are that if I am going to be a vegan, it sets a bad example for me to use a leather wallet, for example, when I am claiming to be vegan. Sure, I could tell people that I don't want it to go to waste, but then that is a long conversation. In addition to that, if you saw someone wearing a leather jacket, or even a FAUX leather jacket, wearing fake leather shoes, and eating mock fried chicken nuggets, would you think that person was even a vegan? I wouldn't. They don't even look like they are vegan, so they don't look like they are representing the true vegan lifestyle to me. What are they, poser non vegans?? But seriously, I find wearing animal products to be uncomfortable and to look like a bad example, so I don't do it.
 
You'll be fine. Australians have one of the longest lifespans. :)

I don't know how that is possible Ween. Koori's have a much shorter lifespan that the invading caucasians. Surely that would bring the averages down. We're also having alot of problems having the highest melanoma rate in the world. Just recently we came out with the highest population of obesity. What lying statistics are you using? Are you just trying to cheer me up? :lol
 
I don't know how that is possible Ween. Koori's have a much shorter lifespan that the invading caucasians. Surely that would bring the averages down. We're also having alot of problems having the highest melanoma rate in the world. Just recently we came out with the highest population of obesity. What lying statistics are you using? Are you just trying to cheer me up? :lol



I'm a vegetarian and I don't eat any meat, poultry, fish or insects, or anything with gelatin, marshmallows, etc. but I do eat cage free eggs and cheese.

I don't wear anything leather at all... but sometimes I eat mock foods too... some taste great!
It is hard to draw a definitive line between what vegan/vegetarian or even naturists are.
 
I don't know how that is possible Ween. Koori's have a much shorter lifespan that the invading caucasians. Surely that would bring the averages down. We're also having alot of problems having the highest melanoma rate in the world. Just recently we came out with the highest population of obesity. What lying statistics are you using? Are you just trying to cheer me up? :lol


https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSSYD152004

There are alot of articles about it.
 
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