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I love Katie's style. Sorry if you don't.
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NightShadow
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It's cute, but I'm not sure if it qualifies for the "pin-up" category. Personal opinion, though.
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I think that the sexual overtones pushes it into the pin-up category just enough.
IdeaOfEvil
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I'm having Randy Kintz do me a set of Batman and his "Batverse" in grey scale commissions... So far I'm up to six (sorry for the small pic sizes):
I think the next two (or three) I get will be Ivy, Croc, and/or Red Hood
And for those following (forced into following) my ever loving battle with Ale Garza, here's the latest:
I contacted Paypal a couple days ago, who said I was both too late to dispute the transaction and that I had sent the payment incorrectly as a "gift" and not as a "goods/services" transaction (due to Garza's request to avoid paying fees), and that I should contact my "higher payment institution" to fight this problem there. Fortunately, I paid through my Amex card, and was able to file with them easily, and so now my claim is trickling down from them, back to Paypal, and down to Ale. Paypal did say that any grievances people have, whether they can get their money back or not, does affect a bad seller as he would be emailed my complaint and given a bad mark on his Paypal record (whatever that is, and/or what it can do). So, after filing all of this a couple days ago, a weeks worth of time after I last emailed Garza saying that I was going to do it, he finally emails me back:
"what the hell?! ive been out of town, and i come to find out youve requested a chargeback and now my accounts negative?! look i'm not target i dont give refunds you will get your artwork when i get to it, either drop this now or i will file a claim back stating that youve filed a false claim. once you have you will recieve your artwork!"
It definitely sounds like he's scared and angry, but to try and threaten me by telling me he's gonna lie to Paypal by saying I'm making a false accusation is dubious. Can't I simply forward this email that he sent to me to Paypal, which clearly states that he admits he did not do my artwork? What do you guys think I should do? Leave things alone, contact Paypal about this email, contact Amex and get things straight, or reply to Garza about this? I expect that my $210 will be coming back through Amex, but I highly doubt I'll ever see the $160 I paid him in cash again. Should I make mention of that cash to anyone? My only worries is that most of our dialogue was through Facebook, and I don't know how to save it, how to forward it, or even how to make sure it doesn't get deleted.
Anywho, looks like this year's off to an exciting start
I think the next two (or three) I get will be Ivy, Croc, and/or Red Hood
And for those following (forced into following) my ever loving battle with Ale Garza, here's the latest:
I contacted Paypal a couple days ago, who said I was both too late to dispute the transaction and that I had sent the payment incorrectly as a "gift" and not as a "goods/services" transaction (due to Garza's request to avoid paying fees), and that I should contact my "higher payment institution" to fight this problem there. Fortunately, I paid through my Amex card, and was able to file with them easily, and so now my claim is trickling down from them, back to Paypal, and down to Ale. Paypal did say that any grievances people have, whether they can get their money back or not, does affect a bad seller as he would be emailed my complaint and given a bad mark on his Paypal record (whatever that is, and/or what it can do). So, after filing all of this a couple days ago, a weeks worth of time after I last emailed Garza saying that I was going to do it, he finally emails me back:
"what the hell?! ive been out of town, and i come to find out youve requested a chargeback and now my accounts negative?! look i'm not target i dont give refunds you will get your artwork when i get to it, either drop this now or i will file a claim back stating that youve filed a false claim. once you have you will recieve your artwork!"
It definitely sounds like he's scared and angry, but to try and threaten me by telling me he's gonna lie to Paypal by saying I'm making a false accusation is dubious. Can't I simply forward this email that he sent to me to Paypal, which clearly states that he admits he did not do my artwork? What do you guys think I should do? Leave things alone, contact Paypal about this email, contact Amex and get things straight, or reply to Garza about this? I expect that my $210 will be coming back through Amex, but I highly doubt I'll ever see the $160 I paid him in cash again. Should I make mention of that cash to anyone? My only worries is that most of our dialogue was through Facebook, and I don't know how to save it, how to forward it, or even how to make sure it doesn't get deleted.
Anywho, looks like this year's off to an exciting start
Garza sounds like a jerk.
I would forward his email to Paypal, Amex and any other institute involved just to cover your arse.
As for Facebook...I don't have a clue how to save, forward or anything with their messages.
If you don't have any tangible proof of the $160, mentioning it would be moot, IMO.
I wish you the Best of Luck in getting this all straightened out, bro.
I would forward his email to Paypal, Amex and any other institute involved just to cover your arse.
As for Facebook...I don't have a clue how to save, forward or anything with their messages.
If you don't have any tangible proof of the $160, mentioning it would be moot, IMO.
I wish you the Best of Luck in getting this all straightened out, bro.
Eamon
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"you will get your artwork when i get to it"
This is all I need to know about what kind of an artist this guy is.
You don't speak to people like, especially one who commissioned work from you.
This is all I need to know about what kind of an artist this guy is.
You don't speak to people like, especially one who commissioned work from you.
Shropt
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That's an original idea. Would like to see more of this type of action pin-up.
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Garza is trying to protect himself. Sadly, it's too late in the game for him to be getting motivated enough to do something about it, regardless of what that "something" is. I personally feel that you ought to proceed as you have so far, continue with getting financial restitution to the best of your ability. The Facebook posting is a bit more troublesome... you might be able to get a screen-cap of it and then send it and a typed transcription to PayPal for further evidence to support your claim.
Oh and, yeah, I'd consider that $160 a loss if I were you. The chances of recouping that are slim/none.
Oh and, yeah, I'd consider that $160 a loss if I were you. The chances of recouping that are slim/none.
shocktrooper_au
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Here's one I did a few yrs back for nose art in a flight sim game IL2
Based on Anna nicole
Based on Anna nicole
Very nice, Shock! 
IdeaOfEvil
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After talking to my mom and her art attorney family friend (I'm surprised we have one, lol) I was convinced into replying back to Garza. Here's what I wrote:
Hi
I'm very sorry that it has come to this, but you have been emailed and Facebook messaged many times over the last eight months to get these done in a specific amount of time that you agreed to.
In all good faith, if you were to complete my first commission piece of the Dark Phoenix and have it mailed to me, I would be more open to dropping the Paypal case with you for the second commission of the White Queen that was owed to me before last Christmas. Considering that the first Dark Phoenix piece was paid for in April, and that in person you told me you would complete it the very next week and mail it to me, I think this is fair.
Until then, I feel that I have been cheated by you and there's nothing further I would be willing to do to drop this case with Paypal.
Thanks
Jake G
(mailing address below)
My worries is just how he might be able to use my words to work against me. If he was clever, he might try and mail me an empty envelope with a tracking number, "proving" that he sent me the work when he actually didn't. Another problem is that now he's working under distress. If he sends me art that's clearly not up to his normal standards, I would only be hurting myself. That's why I think by me telling him to send the first piece alone, at least I can get "something" for the $160 I paid in cash and can't get back. If he screws me out of that first one, then at least I never admitted to saying that I would drop the Paypal case even if he did send something (be it art, empty envelope, or "crappy art").
And here are two examples of the art I got back from him in April, which I really like and wish he wouldn't make it so hard to obtain (one of the two commissions I paid for that I gifted to a friend, and the other being the only published art that he was selling out of his portfolio)
Hi
I'm very sorry that it has come to this, but you have been emailed and Facebook messaged many times over the last eight months to get these done in a specific amount of time that you agreed to.
In all good faith, if you were to complete my first commission piece of the Dark Phoenix and have it mailed to me, I would be more open to dropping the Paypal case with you for the second commission of the White Queen that was owed to me before last Christmas. Considering that the first Dark Phoenix piece was paid for in April, and that in person you told me you would complete it the very next week and mail it to me, I think this is fair.
Until then, I feel that I have been cheated by you and there's nothing further I would be willing to do to drop this case with Paypal.
Thanks
Jake G
(mailing address below)
My worries is just how he might be able to use my words to work against me. If he was clever, he might try and mail me an empty envelope with a tracking number, "proving" that he sent me the work when he actually didn't. Another problem is that now he's working under distress. If he sends me art that's clearly not up to his normal standards, I would only be hurting myself. That's why I think by me telling him to send the first piece alone, at least I can get "something" for the $160 I paid in cash and can't get back. If he screws me out of that first one, then at least I never admitted to saying that I would drop the Paypal case even if he did send something (be it art, empty envelope, or "crappy art").
And here are two examples of the art I got back from him in April, which I really like and wish he wouldn't make it so hard to obtain (one of the two commissions I paid for that I gifted to a friend, and the other being the only published art that he was selling out of his portfolio)
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NightShadow
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Definitely a good artist, no doubt about that. Just not a reliable businessman. I'm sorry you're having such a troubling time with him.
I wanted to get garza to do a fathom commission for me, but I think this is the final nail in the coffin as far as that goes
Viet Nguyen
Raf Marinetti
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Artgerm
Dayum those are gorgeous Snoops 
I really like the last ones by Artgerm, that style is stunning
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I really like the last ones by Artgerm, that style is stunning
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grphyx1
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Eamon
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I don't really consider airbrushing over photos as pinup art. They always feel like a cop out or a cheat. Unless of course the guy took the photo's himself of course.
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