Avengers: Age of Ultron (May 1st, 2015)

[Khev]

If Whedon kills another secondary character that no one cares about then I'll lose all my respect for him

Another? Whedon still hasn't even killed one character yet. I think they really blew it when they brought Coulson back. If he has immunity why should we fear for anyone else? I agree with those who think there have been way too many "resurrections" already.

 

[KitFisto]

Why do people like and want character deaths? Because it makes it more believable maybe? People die every day and we're stuck with that reality. I am a sucker for a happy ending in my fantasy movies because they are an escape from bitter reality for a couple of hours. Don't want to see my favorite characters killed off. Just my opinion.

 

[Royce12]

I hope Ultron does not die in this movie. Of course he should be defeated by the end of the movie but the threat should not be fully neutralized. He should pop up unexpectedly in Iron Man 4 and Stark can unveil his Ultron Buster to finally stomp out his fire.

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[karamazov80]

Why do people like and want character deaths? Because it makes it more believable maybe? People die every day and we're stuck with that reality. I am a sucker for a happy ending in my fantasy movies because they are an escape from bitter reality for a couple of hours. Don't want to see my favorite characters killed off. Just my opinion.

Khev is the one here with bloodlust who thinks a movie sucks if you don't have mass casualties, so I'll let him explain that POV. But for me, I'm OK with no characters dying. My problem is what you see in comics, where characters die left and right like flies, but are all magically brought back to life later on. The result is the dramatic tension is gone. I believe that good writers can create tension without the constant gimmick of a temporary death hanging out there to create dramatic tension. And if they're gonna do it, they should stick with it IMO. At that point, it has some dramatic value and weight.

 

[karamazov80]

Ultron Buster

Can't wait to see the Thanos Buster armor.

 

[Royce12]

lol


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[KitFisto]

Khev is the one here with bloodlust who thinks a movie sucks if you don't have mass casualties, so I'll let him explain that POV. But for me, I'm OK with no characters dying. My problem is what you see in comics, where characters die left and right like flies, but are all magically brought back to life later on. The result is the dramatic tension is gone. I believe that good writers can create tension without the constant gimmick of a temporary death hanging out there to create dramatic tension. And if they're gonna do it, they should stick with it IMO. At that point, it has some dramatic value and weight.

I agree with your view. I don't see the point in "killing" a character when you plan to bring them back in the near future. Then when you do it over and over the feeling of danger is gone. In the movies I just like the good guys to win and none of them to die. Just my personal taste. We already know reality can suck so why make movies have the same feel?

 

[Khev]

Why do people like and want character deaths?

Death in a persistent universe is a tricky thing for both heroes and villains. Because on the one hand if you kill someone and they stay dead well you've just erased a potential character from appearing in the next 20 movies or whatever. But then if they did and you bring them back then new deaths from that point on will lose their impact. If I had my way I'd want these movies to have a predefined beginning, middle, and end like the Dark Knight trilogy because then you could really do some interesting stuff.

Not a trilogy though, there's too much in the MCU or DCCU to fit in three movies, but let's say 12 or 16 movies (including spin-offs.) Then you could have some people die, some ride off into the sunset, some continue the never ending fight against evil, others live "happily ever after" and so on. You'd just have options instead of having to reset back to the status quo at the end of every film. People are going to compartmentalize them anyway according to favorite actors and directors. Batman, Batman Returns, Batman Forever, and Batman & Robin are "supposed" to be one saga but how many people really treat them that way? Not me. I separate them into the Burtonverse and Schumacherverse. Might as well sell them as separate two-packs.

So that's what I'd like to see with the MCU. Have everything build up to Phase III or whatever and then end it. Then do a soft reboot with all different actors and go a different direction. No need to have multiple "origin" movies, just a flashback here or there like we saw in Batman Forever and The Incredible Hulk will suffice. And then people could keep coming back for more because every reboot would have the opportunity to go for broke with the narrative stakes.

Getting back to THIS universe, I only want a character to die and come back if its something they did in the comics and it was well received. Bucky gets a pass but I don't want to see Gwen Stacey, Uncle Ben, or Bruce's parents coming back. Secondary characters absolutely should stay dead when killed. Also to give villains ANY degree of competency they have to kill people. Not because seeing people die is fun but rather seeing villains who suck is NOT fun.

 

[Mr. Green]

I hope Ultron does not die in this movie. Of course he should be defeated by the end of the movie but the threat should not be fully neutralized. He should pop up unexpectedly in Iron Man 4 and Stark can unveil his Ultron Buster to finally stomp out his fire.

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he's a digital being, in a better armor than IM, he's the last being to die. they can make excuse to bring him back easily.

 

[karamazov80]

I agree with your view. I don't see the point in "killing" a character when you plan to bring them back in the near future. Then when you do it over and over the feeling of danger is gone. In the movies I just like the good guys to win and none of them to die. Just my personal taste. We already know reality can suck so why make movies have the same feel?

I think that's a kind of balance that any storyteller has to negotiate. Though we do want things to be unlike reality for the "escape" in this kind of movie, some things in the story have to create tension and conflict for the story to resonate. And the fear of a beloved character dying can definitely facilitate that. But there are other ways of telling a good story. I think Alan Moore's Swamp Thing is a good example, as you realize at one point that the character can't really die at all! But the stories are still some of the best comic stories there has ever been.

 

[KitFisto]

Khev,

I agree on the aunt May and uncle Ben types. My point is more along the lines of Cap or Stark. Do people really want their deaths or characters as large as them to die? Heck, I was even glad Loki's "death" was just one of his illusions because in the films he's always felt like a "redeemable" bad guy to some extent unlike some who are just plain bad. What can I say, I like the "hero's" to live....all of them

 

[Khev]

Khev,

I agree on the aunt May and uncle Ben types. My point is more along the lines of Cap or Stark. Do people really want their deaths or characters as large as them to die? Heck, I was even glad Loki's "death" was just one of his illusions because in the films he's always felt like a "redeemable" bad guy to some extent unlike some who are just plain bad. What can I say, I like the "hero's" to live....all of them

For a top tier character to die it would really have to serve the story in a profound way.

 

[YankeesFanboy]

If I did it, she would beg for her life some more. They always do despite the gag and the restraints.

I'm sorry, buddy, I couldn't resist!

 

[Shawpaw]

Random, but I wonder if the Vision will have a different voice tone now compared to JARVIS. Was just thinking about it with how Spader was saying that Ultron's voice somewhat evolves and becomes refined during the movie as well (the no strings on me tone is a more refined voice as he is almost fully evolved).

 

[karamazov80]

Well. . .you're not wrong, per se

And Khev doesn't want major characters to die so much. He just wants thousands upon thousands of innocent men, women and children to perish on screen in the course of events.

 

[Shawpaw]

Was thinking that they may off Widow and quicksilver in this. Would create the dynamic between banner and Hawkeye (since apparently they both have a thing for her) and quicksilver would be newer but still be a blow to the cast.

 

[Darth Snoopy]

I'm beginning to think that Khev is Thanos.

Think about it...Both Khev & Thanos like death and you never see them in the same room at the same time.

 

[jye4ever]

I think Ultron will die of a broken heart.

 

[Darth Snoopy]

I think Ultron will die of a broken heart.

It's possible...C-3PO will never love him like he loves R2.

 

[karamazov80]

Think about it...Both Khev & Thanos like death and you never see them in the same room at the same time.