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Singer's character is not the definitive Wolverine be any stretch, of course.
And with every new FOX's movie his character gets messier and stupider.
 
RIDDICK said:
Singer's character is not the definitive Wolverine be any stretch, of course.
And with every new FOX's movie his character gets messier and stupider.
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There's no killer mentality in jackman's wolverine. People always reference the scene in X-2 when he's yelling down the hallway, but it just looked really cheesy and cheap, just running screaming. Needs to be more of a hunter stalking prey sorta deal which the movies lost.

It just keeps getting worse like you said, every new movie he's getting more and more righteous trying to save the world. X-1 is still my favorite portrayed Wolverine
 
One change I've noticed over the course of the movies is that Jackman Wolvie gets more and more tame. Wolvie, at least in the early comics (which are the ones I most strongly identify him with), was unstable. He would fly off the handle, go into "berzerker rages," etc. Cyclops constantly had trouble trying to get him to calm down and act as a team member instead of a rogue agent. He had that in X-1 to some extent, but after that it kept getting further and further away from the essence of the character. X2 and DOFP are probably my favorites of all the films, but Wolvie just isn't really Wolvie in them, apart from that one scene in the mansion (that I actually like a lot), and instances where he's no longer in control of his body or whatever like in DOFP for a brief period. He has killed once or twice, but not nearly as much as old comic version would have done, either. Just look at the classic issue where he infiltrates the Hellfire Club and mows down countless thugs. In the movies he feels safe and reliable at this point, and that shouldn't be an ideal Wolvie. Hopefully when he gets recast this will be rethought.
 
karamazov80 said:
One change I've noticed over the course of the movies is that Jackman Wolvie gets more and more tame. Wolvie, at least in the early comics (which are the ones I most strongly identify him with), was unstable. He would fly off the handle, go into "berzerker rages," etc. Cyclops constantly had trouble trying to get him to calm down and act as a team member instead of a rogue agent. He had that in X-1 to some extent, but after that it kept getting further and further away from the essence of the character. X2 and DOFP are probably my favorites of all the films, but Wolvie just isn't really Wolvie in them, apart from that one scene in the mansion (that I actually like a lot), and instances where he's no longer in control of his body or whatever like in DOFP for a brief period. He has killed once or twice, but not nearly as much as old comic version would have done, either. Just look at the classic issue where he infiltrates the Hellfire Club and mows down countless thugs. In the movies he feels safe and reliable at this point, and that shouldn't be an ideal Wolvie. Hopefully when he gets recast this will be rethought.
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I haven't been reading as nearly as long, but reading the current stuff before he died, like in Scarlet Spider, he just goes off killing everyone in the Assassin's Guild and every hand ninja he could find :lol
 
Cinematic Wolverine is clearly geared towards people like myself. I've never read an X-Men comic nor watched any cartoons, I went to see X1 in the theater with a friend, and Jackman's performance won me over and made me a fan, and I think the studio saw it having that affect on a lot of people, so they then crafted the movie adaptation to cater to those people like myself who'd enjoy Wolverine becoming the core hero. I like First Class but I missed having him significantly in the movie, so I was glad they worked him into DOFP so much. It may not be true to character but it's what fills the seats more than a true to comic representation probably would.
 
I'm sure that's a big part of why we've got a "kinder, gentler" Wolverine in the movies. Folks like the idea of this guy with this wacky hair, metal claws, and nonconformist personality who embraces his animalistic nature, but they don't want you to go too far over the edge. Kids will be frightened instead of excited if they seem him cutting a guy's head off or disemboweling someone. Makes sense, of course, but at the same time, kind of sad. :(

This scene just wouldn't have much impact in the films, because we know Wolvie isn't a cold-blooded killer:

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Even his catch phrase doesn't really make sense--"I'm the best at what I do, but what I do isn't very nice."

Best non-comic incarnation I've seen is probably the Wolverine vs. Hulk animated film.
 
I respect Jackman and he's done a good job, especially in the first X Men film, but I'm ready for a new interpretation. Jackman's wolverine lacks an edge and a sense of danger, which is part of the character, imo. It's true, with each new film Jackman's Wolvie feels more tamed, but you have to keep in mind that he's been in 6 or 7 films and he's been playing the role for 15 years, so it makes sense for the character to change. A character that doesn't evolve, can become stale, so I don't mind Wolverine's evolution in the films, but I wish he'd been more intense and not so likable to begin with. Jackman is a nice likable guy in real life, and he just can't hide that, no matter how hard he tries. Wolverine is more like Clint Eastwood's film characters.

Hopefully, when they recast the role, they go back and revisit Wolverine's time in Japan, because The Wolverine film screwed that up big time. Instead of having Wolverine live in Japan for a long time, become an expert in martial arts and weapons, and adapting to the culture and language, they turned Wolverine into an idiot tourist in a typical fish out of water story. :slap
 
IXI Nick IXI said:
He's saying he's the best compared to everyone else at something that's bad (wrong/mean/etc). Never thought it needed explanation...
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I know :lol But, I can just imagine him saying that to some strangers and them thinking that he sucks at everything :lol I'm pretty sure there was another way for him to convey the same message without sounding like a contradiction, if you just look at sentence's structure.
 
MaulFan said:
Cinematic Wolverine is clearly geared towards people like myself. I've never read an X-Men comic nor watched any cartoons, I went to see X1 in the theater with a friend, and Jackman's performance won me over and made me a fan, and I think the studio saw it having that affect on a lot of people, so they then crafted the movie adaptation to cater to those people like myself who'd enjoy Wolverine becoming the core hero. I like First Class but I missed having him significantly in the movie, so I was glad they worked him into DOFP so much. It may not be true to character but it's what fills the seats more than a true to comic representation probably would.
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They do this with almost every character though, Downey is not the perfect Iron Man, Evan's is not the perfect Cap, Renner is nothing like Hawkeye, Mcavoy is absolutely nothing like the Professor X we know from the comics, same for Patrick Stewart, Michael Keaton, Christian Bale, Heath Ledger etc.....

If casting was left up to the comic book fanboys we would have Michael Jai White and Nathan Fillion (mediocre actors) playing every black and White superhero to date.

Hugh's Wolverine is as brutal and unstable for a PG-13 movie geared towards teenagers as Fox could have possibly made him in my opinion.

X2 he wasn't just running down hallways killing soldiers in that scene, he was pretty stealthy as well.

In DOFP it made sense to humanize him more to show his growth throughout these films since it was basically the end of the original films timeline, and he had to be a guide for Professor X. He's basically trying to be patient throughout the movie which obviously didn't work so well until the cerebro scene.


Also I want FoX-Men nowhere near the MCU. Both universes have a different tone that I don't think would mesh well together.
 
The Clown Prince of Crime said:
I respect Jackman and he's done a good job, especially in the first X Men film, but I'm ready for a new interpretation. Jackman's wolverine lacks an edge and a sense of danger, which is part of the character, imo. It's true, with each new film Jackman's Wolvie feels more tamed, but you have to keep in mind that he's been in 6 or 7 films and he's been playing the role for 15 years, so it makes sense for the character to change. A character that doesn't evolve, can become stale, so I don't mind Wolverine's evolution in the films, but I wish he'd been more intense and not so likable to begin with. Jackman is a nice likable guy in real life, and he just can't hide that, no matter how hard he tries. Wolverine is more like Clint Eastwood's film characters.

Hopefully, when they recast the role, they go back and revisit Wolverine's time in Japan, because The Wolverine film screwed that up big time. Instead of having Wolverine live in Japan for a long time, become an expert in martial arts and weapons, and adapting to the culture and language, they turned Wolverine into an idiot tourist in a typical fish out of water story. :slap
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I think we'll see a more unstable Wolverine in Apocalypse.
 

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