Avengers: Age of Ultron (May 1st, 2015)

[karamazov80]

They do this with almost every character though, Downey is not the perfect Iron Man, Evan's is not the perfect Cap, Renner is nothing like Hawkeye, Mcavoy is absolutely nothing like the Professor X we know from the comics, same for Patrick Stewart, Michael Keaton, Christian Bale, Heath Ledger etc.....

You speak as if every studio decision has been a good one! Which I would debate. But to your specific examples, comic Stark was kind of a lame ******. Movie version is an interesting, funny, charismatic ******. Improvement. Evans is, in fact, perfect as Cap. Renner is like Ultimates Hawkeye, which I can't stand, but they gave Iron Man the witty anti-establishment personality, so Hawkeye was left with being generic special ops guy. And McAvoy is just a younger version of Prof. X, who we didn't get much exposure to in the comics (that I've read--even in flashbacks in the early comics he's already fairly old and bald!), so I don't know that it's a great stretch to give him hair and to make him less stodgy. You would assume he wasn't an old, bald retiree his entire life. All the major Batmen in films since '89 have captured key components of his personality, but he's been written so differently over the years that he doesn't really have a core personality type, apart from being driven beyond the point of most men to protect the weak, and that he's gloomy.

Wolvie isn't complicated, but he's got some core personality characteristics that have made him appealing, and one of Marvel's top 2 or 3 guys for 20+ years. And movie version has become a watered down version of that. On one level, it makes sense that they did what they did, but at the same time, I was reading about comic Wolvie when I was 5-6 years old, and loved him. Others did, too. So I don't know if it would be so risky to make him a bit edgier in the next incarnation. Wouldn't surprise me if it actually had a positive payoff.

 

[Darth Snoopy]

Well said, Kara.

All your points are spot on, IMO.

 

[pturtle]

You speak as if every studio decision has been a good one! Which I would debate. But to your specific examples, comic Stark was kind of a lame ******. Movie version is an interesting, funny, charismatic ******. Improvement. Evans is, in fact, perfect as Cap. Renner is like Ultimates Hawkeye, which I can't stand, but they gave Iron Man the witty anti-establishment personality, so Hawkeye was left with being generic special ops guy. And McAvoy is just a younger version of Prof. X, who we didn't get much exposure to in the comics (that I've read--even in flashbacks in the early comics he's already fairly old and bald!), so I don't know that it's a great stretch to give him hair and to make him less stodgy. You would assume he wasn't an old, bald retiree his entire life. All the major Batmen in films since '89 have captured key components of his personality, but he's been written so differently over the years that he doesn't really have a core personality type, apart from being driven beyond the point of most men to protect the weak, and that he's gloomy.

Wolvie isn't complicated, but he's got some core personality characteristics that have made him appealing, and one of Marvel's top 2 or 3 guys for 20+ years. And movie version has become a watered down version of that. On one level, it makes sense that they did what they did, but at the same time, I was reading about comic Wolvie when I was 5-6 years old, and loved him. Others did, too. So I don't know if it would be so risky to make him a bit edgier in the next incarnation. Wouldn't surprise me if it actually had a positive payoff.

I think the only think I disagree with in this post is Evans being the perfect Cap, but I personally think Jackman is probably doing the best at playing a superhero right now, acting, charisma, intensity, dedication he brings it all, when the film is good at least.

 

[pturtle]

People still watch boxing?!?

Edit:

Let me clarify something, I have nothing against boxing. I just thought UFC replaced boxing in the limelight.

I love boxing, and Mayweather/Pac might be bigger than the Super Bowl, I think boxing is still relevant.

Speaking of boxing/UFC, I hated the fact the Russos kept bringing up mixed martial arts throughout the film just because they're into it. I've always associated Cap with boxing, especially since in his day it was one of the most popular sports alongside baseball at the time, and him being a Joe Louis fan and all.

 

[CallMeTheDoctor]

The point was to modernize Cap though.

 

[YankeesFanboy]

Well said, Kara.

All your points are spot on, IMO.

Hey Snoop, how long will the prohibition on spoilers last? End of May? End of June? Til the end of time? I'll probably be the last one to see AoU, but I don't expect an infinite thread blackout.

 

[karamazov80]

I think the only think I disagree with in this post is Evans being the perfect Cap, but I personally think Jackman is probably doing the best at playing a superhero right now, acting, charisma, intensity, dedication he brings it all, when the film is good at least.

I actually like Jackman a lot, but there are pros and cons. Could be a situation of "be careful what you wish for" if they had an edgier, more violent Wolvie portrayed by a guy the audience couldn't get behind.

I think it makes sense for Cap to have a more realistic fighting style. In military combat, you don't win based on style points. WWII recruits weren't trained to fist fight their enemies. You are trained to incapacitate or kill your enemy, and there aren't a lot of rules around that, so a utilitarian fight style that takes bits and pieces from whatever works from various different fight styles--i.e., the Cap approach in Winter Soldier, or the Jason Bourne approach--works IMO. My issue is more with shakycam overload surrounding those fights. If we get more of that in Civil War, I'm going to write an angry letter to the producers.

 

[pturtle]

Yea well Cap is trained in like every fighting style a believe, I had no problems with the his fighting style, just some minor MMA references and the George ST Pierre casting kind of made me feel like the Russos were trying to force a bunch of that stuff into the film. Cap always seemed to take to boxing.

Actually one of the few things I liked in the Avengers, was when Cap blowing off steam by hitting the punching bag.

It's just a minor nitpick though because I'm a boxing fanboy.

 

[Darth Snoopy]

I think the only think I disagree with in this post is Evans being the perfect Cap, but I personally think Jackman is probably doing the best at playing a superhero right now, acting, charisma, intensity, dedication he brings it all, when the film is good at least.

I disagree. IMO Evans is perfect for the part and brings everything that Jackman brings to the role of Wolverine.

The point was to modernize Cap though.

And the Russo brothers did a great job at doing that, IMO.

Hey Snoop, how long will the prohibition on spoilers last? End of May? End of June? Til the end of time? I'll probably be the last one to see AoU, but I don't expect an infinite thread blackout.

IMO at least a couple of weeks after opening weekend since not everyone will be able to see the movie opening weekend. Having said that my opinion is not written in stone or should be taken as gospel, the board rules states "The length of time after the premiere or airing that the spoiler tags need to be used will be determined on a case by case basis".

I actually like Jackman a lot, but there are pros and cons. Could be a situation of "be careful what you wish for" if they had an edgier, more violent Wolvie portrayed by a guy the audience couldn't get behind.

Absolutely.

 

[CallMeTheDoctor]

Yea well Cap is trained in like every fighting style a believe, I had no problems with the his fighting style, just some minor MMA references and the George ST Pierre casting kind of made me feel like the Russos were trying to force a bunch of that stuff into the film. Cap always seemed to take to boxing.

Actually one of the few things I liked in the Avengers, was when Cap blowing off steam by hitting the punching bag.

It's just a minor nitpick though because I'm a boxing fanboy.

I wouldn't say force, more like appeal. My example would be that we know how cap fights and such, but imagine the casual audience that doesn't know, how else would they get appeal? Where I live, most women are very into UFC; male and female, so when most females saw it here, well they loved it.


I also consider Expendables; you have Rousey getting casted along with Couture being in it, and notice how it seems that everyone is accurate as ****; yet these two take fists to a ****ing nuke fight? It's stupid; but appealing. I'd say that's more what Russos were doing, but that's my theory IMO.

 

[Brainiac]

So cool..... talk about your real life superhero

 

[Sweet Rabbit]

Even his catch phrase doesn't really make sense--"I'm the best at what I do, but what I do isn't very nice.".

That's just a round a bout way of saying he's good at doing really bad things

 

[Darth Snoopy]

That was extremely COOL!

Thanks for posting the video, B!

 

[CallMeTheDoctor]

Man, Pratt, Evans, and RDJ! These guys are the best!

 

[Darth Snoopy]

I give those guys, and any celebrity that does that, props and respect!

 

[CallMeTheDoctor]

I especially have it for those that dress up as comic heroes. There is a sort of stigma against it, and to see these guys do that; it's amazing.

I remember reading somewhere that Evans didn't want to be Captain America because of all the media and shoots; but the one thing that he always loved when knowing that when he is walking on the street kids say, 'it's Captain America' and makes it worth it for him. Ruffalo loves it too, unfortunately he can't go to places as a 12 foot tall Hulk.

 

[Darth Snoopy]

Ruffalo loves it too, unfortunately he can't go to places as a 12 foot tall Hulk.

He'd probably look like this...

 

[CallMeTheDoctor]

 

[Brainiac]

Spoilers!!! Detailed Description of the HBvsHulk fight

Spoiler

Let us start with the new clip from Marvel’s Age of Ultron (May 1, 2015). The clip so nice, Robert Iger made the quiet joke twice. The scene opens with an armored police vehicle arriving on the scene. An incredibly angry and destructive Hulk is witnessed tearing up the streets, destroying cars and spreading all-out panic. Police, heavily armed with machine guns, openly fire on the Hulk to no avail. In the distance comes Iron Man, flying at super speed to the scene. ‘Hold your fire,’ he commands to the responding teams below. He is flanked by large metal objects that speed along through the air with him, keeping up every step of the way. We cut back to the menacing Hulk and all of a sudden, a large steel (?) surfboard-shaped object slams itself down in the pavement in front of him. Then another. And another. Before you know it, Hulk is trapped inside a giant, solid metallic ‘box.’ At least, that is, until Hulk smashes free and then continues his rampage. And then, it assembles — piece by piece — the Hulkbuster, almost in Mark 42 fashion. ‘The witch is messing with your brain,’ Stark tells Hulk. ‘You’re smarter than her, you’re Bruce Banner.’ This yields an even angrier response from Hulk and it’s on. Hulkbuster vs. Hulk. The Hulkbuster usually seems to have the upper-hand, as they drag each other through the streets, tearing up the pavement. At least until Hulk ends up on the Hulkbuster’s back, impaling the shoulder with a traffic light pole. ‘**** move, Banner’ responds Stark as they continue to fight. Then the damaged pieces of the Hulkbuster fall off and are quickly replaced with new parts. Different parts. And now Hulkbuster is atop Hulk, Stark treating Hulk’s head as a punching bag, literally pounding Hulk’s head into the pavement over and over and over (much to the amusement of the audience). ‘Sleep, go to sleep’ chants Stark, but spoiler alert: it doesn’t work. Then, one of the replaced parts of the Hulkbuster, the arm missing a hand, wraps itself around Hulk’s arm and sucks him in and Iron Man takes flight, toting Hulk by the arm.

Apparently this is known because a clip was shown at a recent Disney shareholders meeting

 

[Dark_Knight_89]

Sounds cool!