Avengers: Age of Ultron (May 1st, 2015)

[Sundowner]

He's not changing anyone's mind about this movie (whether for or against)...except for maybe the 9 year old booger eating kid.

 

[crows]

i refuse to read anything by crappypants (quoted or not) so i have no idea what you guys are talking about

 

[jye4ever]

I'm ok with crows poking fun at AOU, part of the fun in this forum is ribbing at movies others enjoy.

I lost count how many Tornado gifs I have posted.

Now, when a Marvel loyalist doesn't like an MCU movie (cough...JAWS...cough), then I want to know why.

 

[Darth Snoopy]

i refuse to read anything by crappypants (quoted or not) so i have no idea what you guys are talking about

This kid...

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[Khev]

The thing with AoU is that the worst complaints I'm seeing really seem to be technical. "So so score and boring Safe House scene" or editing or whatever. Now those are valid reasons to be taken out of a movie but if the characters are cool, consistent, and sympathetic, the action is good, the story makes sense and is interesting, etc., then that technical stuff is a ways down the list on things that bother me.

It's like the Terminator 2 "Uncle Bob" pit stop. Pretty boring, pretty much grinds the movie to a halt, BUT it makes sense that they'd go down to Enrique's place, get supplies, etc. They aren't just peacing out and walking into tornadoes or whatever. The things that DO bother me about T2 are specific behaviors of certain characters and things like that.

In AoU the humor doesn't make anyone less cool or badass (IMO), no one is randomly committing suicide, for the story that's being told everything pretty much makes sense and the characters are fun to watch do their respective things throughout. So Safe House? Eh, whatever. Ridiculous Thor hot tub scene? Can't say I'm a fan of those moments per se but it kind of makes sense that the characters did all that. And that's the thing with MOS and TDKR, it really is NOT THAT HARD to make a thoroughly enjoyable movie about superheroes if you get a good cast, a cool premise, and make everyone look cool punching each other out.

Mission accomplished Age of Ultron.

 

[crows]

I'm ok with crows poking fun at AOU, part of the fun in this forum is ribbing at movies others enjoy.

I lost count how many Tornado gifs I have posted.

Man of Steel is not even that bad lol.

 

[jye4ever]

The thing with AoU is that the worst complaints I'm seeing really seem to be technical. "So so score and boring Safe House scene" or editing or whatever. Now those are valid reasons to be taken out of a movie but if the characters are cool, consistent, and sympathetic, the action is good, the story makes sense and is interesting, etc., then that technical stuff is a ways down the list on things that bother me.

It's like the Terminator 2 "Uncle Bob" pit stop. Pretty boring, pretty much grinds the movie to a halt, BUT it makes sense that they'd go down to Enrique's place, get supplies, etc. They aren't just peacing out and walking into tornadoes or whatever. The things that DO bother me about T2 are specific behaviors of certain characters and things like that.

In AoU the humor doesn't make anyone less cool or badass (IMO), no one is randomly committing suicide, for the story that's being told everything pretty much makes sense and the characters are fun to watch do their respective things throughout. So Safe House? Eh, whatever. Ridiculous Thor hot tub scene? Can't say I'm a fan of those moments per se but it kind of makes sense that the characters did all that. And that's the thing with MOS and TDKR, it really is NOT THAT HARD to make a thoroughly enjoyable movie about superheroes if you get a good cast, a cool premise, and make everyone look cool punching each other out.

Mission accomplished Age of Ultron.

Eggsactly!

Man of Steel is not even that bad lol.

codex = taxation of trade routes
tornado = ridiculous
dildo ships = embarrassing
fights = boring
hopeman = no personality convict

 

[crows]

The thing with AoU is that the worst complaints I'm seeing really seem to be technical. "So so score and boring Safe House scene" or editing or whatever. Now those are valid reasons to be taken out of a movie but if the characters are cool, consistent, and sympathetic, the action is good, the story makes sense and is interesting, etc., then that technical stuff is a ways down the list on things that bother me.

It's like the Terminator 2 "Uncle Bob" pit stop. Pretty boring, pretty much grinds the movie to a halt, BUT it makes sense that they'd go down to Enrique's place, get supplies, etc. They aren't just peacing out and walking into tornadoes or whatever. The things that DO bother me about T2 are specific behaviors of certain characters and things like that.

In AoU the humor doesn't make anyone less cool or badass (IMO), no one is randomly committing suicide, for the story that's being told everything pretty much makes sense and the characters are fun to watch do their respective things throughout. So Safe House? Eh, whatever. Ridiculous Thor hot tub scene? Can't say I'm a fan of those moments per se but it kind of makes sense that the characters did all that. And that's the thing with MOS and TDKR, it really is NOT THAT HARD to make a thoroughly enjoyable movie about superheroes if you get a good cast, a cool premise, and make everyone look cool punching each other out.

Mission accomplished Age of Ultron.

yeah these are really good points.

Im wondering, was Ultron EVER mentioned in any of the other movies? or any indication that Tony Stark was working on Ultron or was thinking about it? Do the suits in Iron Man 3 count?
another thing that might be a problem and it was completely out of Joss' hands was how this movie feels different in that the rest of the Marvel movies feel more connected and plot points go from movie to movie.
but with Ultron it feels like it would be something they should be mentioning like, 2 movies ago. I think part of the problem is that they should have had Tony thinking about creating Ultron in Iron Man 3, I do not recall anything. it feels kind of "out of the blue" in this movie.

 

[Darkseed]

I've seen the film twice, I may see it once more before it leaves theaters. I watched Avengers 7 times....

 

[JAWS]

The thing with AoU is that the worst complaints I'm seeing really seem to be technical. "So so score and boring Safe House scene" or editing or whatever. Now those are valid reasons to be taken out of a movie but if the characters are cool, consistent, and sympathetic, the action is good, the story makes sense and is interesting, etc., then that technical stuff is a ways down the list on things that bother me.

It's like the Terminator 2 "Uncle Bob" pit stop. Pretty boring, pretty much grinds the movie to a halt, BUT it makes sense that they'd go down to Enrique's place, get supplies, etc. They aren't just peacing out and walking into tornadoes or whatever. The things that DO bother me about T2 are specific behaviors of certain characters and things like that.

In AoU the humor doesn't make anyone less cool or badass (IMO), no one is randomly committing suicide, for the story that's being told everything pretty much makes sense and the characters are fun to watch do their respective things throughout. So Safe House? Eh, whatever. Ridiculous Thor hot tub scene? Can't say I'm a fan of those moments per se but it kind of makes sense that the characters did all that. And that's the thing with MOS and TDKR, it really is NOT THAT HARD to make a thoroughly enjoyable movie about superheroes if you get a good cast, a cool premise, and make everyone look cool punching each other out.

Mission accomplished Age of Ultron.

Individual Technical issues are not an issue at all.. More then one technical issues on top of what is, (IMO), not a great story that is not very exciting and full of plot wholes is an issue.

I also tend to want something out of a particular genre film... A comic book action movie should deliver on good comic book action... This really lacked in AOU for me... I won't go into it all again.. But It just did not live up to what previous films before it had done... You can fill the screen with as much carnage as you want but if there is nothing memorable or exciting about the scenes then it might as well be a Michael Bay film...

There was very little that made this stand out as a great Marvel "superhero" film...

At least for me the film failed in that regard... I also did not care for the villain.

 

[ronri]

The thing with AoU is that the worst complaints I'm seeing really seem to be technical. "So so score and boring Safe House scene" or editing or whatever. Now those are valid reasons to be taken out of a movie but if the characters are cool, consistent, and sympathetic, the action is good, the story makes sense and is interesting, etc., then that technical stuff is a ways down the list on things that bother me.

It's like the Terminator 2 "Uncle Bob" pit stop. Pretty boring, pretty much grinds the movie to a halt, BUT it makes sense that they'd go down to Enrique's place, get supplies, etc. They aren't just peacing out and walking into tornadoes or whatever. The things that DO bother me about T2 are specific behaviors of certain characters and things like that.

In AoU the humor doesn't make anyone less cool or badass (IMO), no one is randomly committing suicide, for the story that's being told everything pretty much makes sense and the characters are fun to watch do their respective things throughout. So Safe House? Eh, whatever. Ridiculous Thor hot tub scene? Can't say I'm a fan of those moments per se but it kind of makes sense that the characters did all that. And that's the thing with MOS and TDKR, it really is NOT THAT HARD to make a thoroughly enjoyable movie about superheroes if you get a good cast, a cool premise, and make everyone look cool punching each other out.

Mission accomplished Age of Ultron.

yeah these are really good points.

Im wondering, was Ultron EVER mentioned in any of the other movies? or any indication that Tony Stark was working on Ultron or was thinking about it? Do the suits in Iron Man 3 count?
another thing that might be a problem and it was completely out of Joss' hands was how this movie feels different in that the rest of the Marvel movies feel more connected and plot points go from movie to movie.
but with Ultron it feels like it would be something they should be mentioning like, 2 movies ago. I think part of the problem is that they should have had Tony thinking about creating Ultron in Iron Man 3, I do not recall anything. it feels kind of "out of the blue" in this movie.

Nothing as concrete as Tony literally working on Ultron, but in Iron Man 3, Tony had a pretty clear obsession in making A.I./robots to help compensate for his limitations as a mere human being while trying to help those around him (due to PTSD over the events in Avengers). Obviously there's the Iron Legion, which were recreated to become more like a drone unit in AOU, but he also implemented more robots in Stark Industries to help out the staff.

The Ultron program was designed as a peacekeeping program that would have served as an equivalent to JARVIS, only it's meant to be implemented as the governing system that controlled the Iron Legion. Ultron wasn't really meant to be a robot, just a more efficient and ever-evolving program similar to JARVIS.

 

[PopCultKid]

AMC Fresh Meadows is like 5 minutes from me. Even matinee is expensive there

I'm like 5 minutes from there too. They've become pricey, but I love the renovations. That's my spot. Best theater around here

 

[PopCultKid]

Watched it again last night, the last scene between Vision and Ultron is absolutely my favorite character moment. There was so much *character* in that Utlron drone, which was amazing considering that that one did not have animated facial features. Just the way he bobbed his head when he said "you are so UNBEARABLY [head bob] naive..." So much of Spader's "humanity" came through in the delivery and animation. One of the best scenes in any cbm, IMO.

I also found Utlron's relationship to the twins to be interesting. The way he listened so intently to their story about the Stark missile in their house. He also seemed genuinely concerned that SW might die if she stayed in the floating city.

Spoiler

I don't think he gave a flying F about their story or if she died or not. I felt he was puppeteering them the whole time and putting on the deeply interested and empathetic act was part of what I loved about his character

The thing with AoU is that the worst complaints I'm seeing really seem to be technical. "So so score and boring Safe House scene" or editing or whatever. Now those are valid reasons to be taken out of a movie but if the characters are cool, consistent, and sympathetic, the action is good, the story makes sense and is interesting, etc., then that technical stuff is a ways down the list on things that bother me.

It's like the Terminator 2 "Uncle Bob" pit stop. Pretty boring, pretty much grinds the movie to a halt, BUT it makes sense that they'd go down to Enrique's place, get supplies, etc. They aren't just peacing out and walking into tornadoes or whatever. The things that DO bother me about T2 are specific behaviors of certain characters and things like that.

In AoU the humor doesn't make anyone less cool or badass (IMO), no one is randomly committing suicide, for the story that's being told everything pretty much makes sense and the characters are fun to watch do their respective things throughout. So Safe House? Eh, whatever. Ridiculous Thor hot tub scene? Can't say I'm a fan of those moments per se but it kind of makes sense that the characters did all that. And that's the thing with MOS and TDKR, it really is NOT THAT HARD to make a thoroughly enjoyable movie about superheroes if you get a good cast, a cool premise, and make everyone look cool punching each other out.

Mission accomplished Age of Ultron.

What we were giving was very solid. I think the problems are easy fixes especially if good finalized footage that was cut exists. If they can add a 30 minutes of good footage and tweak the music a bit, the possible director's cut has big time potential

 

[ronri]

Spoiler

I don't think he gave a flying F about their story or if she died or not. I felt he was puppeteering them the whole time and putting on the deeply interested and empathetic act was part of what I loved about his character

I don't know, I thought he actually cared enough about them to feel really disappointed that they turned on him. The fact that he seemed to show genuine respect and concern for them is still really in-line with Ultron's adoptive personality in the comics and it actually shows that he's not just some mindless killing machine that does evil for the sake of evil. He obviously liked their company, heck he might as well have adopted them as it was implied that he had planned for them to survive the human extinction event alongside him.

 

[crows]

i do think ultron really cared. sure he was using them and sure he was not being honest with them but i think he cared

 

[Deeznutz6]

The thing with AoU is that the worst complaints I'm seeing really seem to be technical. "So so score and boring Safe House scene" or editing or whatever. Now those are valid reasons to be taken out of a movie but if the characters are cool, consistent, and sympathetic, the action is good, the story makes sense and is interesting, etc., then that technical stuff is a ways down the list on things that bother me.

It's like the Terminator 2 "Uncle Bob" pit stop. Pretty boring, pretty much grinds the movie to a halt, BUT it makes sense that they'd go down to Enrique's place, get supplies, etc. They aren't just peacing out and walking into tornadoes or whatever. The things that DO bother me about T2 are specific behaviors of certain characters and things like that.

In AoU the humor doesn't make anyone less cool or badass (IMO), no one is randomly committing suicide, for the story that's being told everything pretty much makes sense and the characters are fun to watch do their respective things throughout. So Safe House? Eh, whatever. Ridiculous Thor hot tub scene? Can't say I'm a fan of those moments per se but it kind of makes sense that the characters did all that. And that's the thing with MOS and TDKR, it really is NOT THAT HARD to make a thoroughly enjoyable movie about superheroes if you get a good cast, a cool premise, and make everyone look cool punching each other out.

Mission accomplished Age of Ultron.

Well said Khev, there are just to many DC fanboys in here hating on this movie

 

[ronri]

i do think ultron really cared. sure he was using them and sure he was not being honest with them but i think he cared

Exactly. I mean sure, he was obviously withholding info about how he was trying to wipe out humanity, but he did seem to genuinely treat them with sympathy.

 

[cilantropants]

I think he needs to have genuine emotions in order to work as a villain against the team. Otherwise, he's just a terminator. But as a living, thinking, feeling intelligence, his actions and purpose have meaning.

 

[jye4ever]

Individual Technical issues are not an issue at all.. More then one technical issues on top of what is, (IMO), not a great story that is not very exciting and full of plot wholes is an issue.

I also tend to want something out of a particular genre film... A comic book action movie should deliver on good comic book action... This really lacked in AOU for me... I won't go into it all again.. But It just did not live up to what previous films before it had done... You can fill the screen with as much carnage as you want but if there is nothing memorable or exciting about the scenes then it might as well be a Michael Bay film...

There was very little that made this stand out as a great Marvel "superhero" film...

At least for me the film failed in that regard... I also did not care for the villain.

I'm with PopCultKid on this.

This movie is 15-25 minutes away from being as good as the first. Not the same as the first, but as good if not better, if that makes any lick of sense. (I think you get it).

What is there was good enough for me to be content with it, it just needs that final push to make it feel more whole and less rushed.

The story was more involved this time out, so it just needs some additions to flesh it out some more.

Maybe for you it would be one or two outstanding action moments for a specific character.

For someone else it could be the music, or more Ultron building himself up, or a greater conflict between the group.

I just find it hard to believe that for anyone who loved the first could view this as a big let down.

For me anyways , this is NOT TDKR all over again.

 

[crows]

Well said Khev, there are just to many DC fanboys in here hating on this movie

I don't know, DC fans are pretty mad at the batmanvsuperman and suicide squad stuff too lol