Avengers: Age of Ultron (May 1st, 2015)

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Monger, Whiplash, Killian, Maleketh, Sitwell, Pierce, Ronan, all dead.

I only like Ronan out of that list Hopefully he comes back somehow.

 

[Khev]

Yeah, I probably would have preferred they kill Hawkeye. He just never got any real traction as a cinematic hero. His moment with SW is probably the coolest he'll ever be (watch the Russos make me eat me words) and it might have had a bigger impact having Hawkeye die since he's appeared in three movies now than "easy come easy go" Quicksilver. Though I do feel an air of tragedy about QS dying when he DID have potential to be so much more.

He's clearly a tough character to write for though as his power has SO much application. They might have just decided to take the easy way out rather than risk having movies where he is stupidly underused like we saw with DOFP.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

As a major Black Widow fan, I'm glad they've given her such prominence in the MCU and get a little tired of always "hearing" someone suggest her as the most expendable.

You're right, she's not the most expendable. Hawkeye is Black Widow was the only female in the team and she beat up Hawkeye in a fight...yup, he should be dead by now.

 

[GasparZizou]

You're right, she's not the most expendable. Hawkeye is Black Widow was the only female in the team and she beat up Hawkeye in a fight...yup, he should be dead by now.

even though Renner's a cool guy, and his death would've been faaar more impactful than QS'.

 

[karamazov80]

As a major Black Widow fan, I'm glad they've given her such prominence in the MCU and get a little tired of always "hearing" someone suggest her as the most expendable. Of their current characters, I don't think they made a mistake in going with Quicksilver as the death.

I'm purely talking from the point of view of who mattered more to the Avengers in the comics. Obviously she has become one of the most important characters in the Marvel Studios-verse. Probably 4th most important after Iron Man, Cap, and Thor.

He's clearly a tough character to write for though as his power has SO much application. They might have just decided to take the easy way out rather than risk having movies where he is stupidly underused like we saw with DOFP.

I considered that, and think there could be truth to it. I'm sure they have a hard enough time with Thor (who they often deal with by either not showing him, or powering him down a bit)

 

[Khev]

I considered that, and think there could be truth to it. I'm sure they have a hard enough time with Thor (who they often deal with by either not showing him, or powering him down a bit)

Yep, if Thor had simply followed Cap's orders in Avengers 1 ("light the *******s up as they come through the breach") then he could have halted the entire invasion. He was taking out Leviathans two at a time for crying out loud. Probably could have flown through the portal and wiped out the mother ship himself.

Which is another cool thing about AoU; I loved Whedon's idea of Ultron using a city as a weapon. That SO prevents even the most powerful Avenger from blowing it up until everyone is off. Perfect way to create a challenge that allows everyone to use their powers to their fullest extent while still maintaining a prolonged final conflict.

 

[RIDDICK]

I get that they want a death to actually be a death for once, and honestly think they should have gone that route sooner. HOWEVER, I would not do it with Quicksilver. He is one of the most important Avengers there ever was, and had a stronger connection with the Inhumans (one of the MCU's forthcoming films) than any other member of that team. Obviously they're doing their own thing, and we'll just have to see where they go from here, but the comic fan in me hates a decision like this, and though comics obviously shouldn't dictate every decision here, they do matter.

Yep.
Also, his death had zero impact because he wasn't a full character. First helping HYDRA and Ultron for the sake of punishing Stark, then helping Avengers for the sake of saving the planet... He had no real background, no character moments, nothing. He was just there to help establish Wanda and died to push her character further.

In other words, this is lame, lazy and stupid.

Black Widow would have been a better choice.

Absolutely.
Hawkeye is a married man (hate it) and has no love interest in Tahsa, her forced love interest in Banner/Hulk is stupid, she has no reason to be an Avenger after TA and has no reason to exist at all w/o being one of Fury's agents.
Now her death could mean a lot for Stark and Rogers since both knew her personally outside of Avengers - it'd make Stark even more obsessed with his "we don't need heroes to die" POV, while Rogers could interpret it as "we need more brave and selfless heroes, like she was". It'd also push Hawkeye's character further, help to create more personal friendship between him and Rogers for CW story. So on, so forth...

 

[Khev]

All good points. I hope HE and BW die within the first give minutes of CW.

 

[karamazov80]

In hindsight, if all the conflict between Whedon and Feige is to be believed, and if Whedon really wanted to keep QS alive, then this reads to me like a farewell FU to Whedon. I can imagine their last face to face meeting went something like this:

Whedon: I appreciate the opportunity you gave me, but just want to say once more that I feel I could have done so much more without you looking over my shoulder and countermanding my decisions.
Feige: Yeah, well. . .don't let the door hit your ass on the way out. By the way, that character you liked so much? ****ing dead as a doornail. Now go write some Buffy comics and get the **** out of my office.

 

[GasparZizou]

Yep.
Also, his death had zero impact because he wasn't a full character. First helping HYDRA and Ultron for the sake of punishing Stark, then helping Avengers for the sake of saving the planet... He had no real background, no character moments, nothing. He was just there to help establish Wanda and died to push her character further.

Can you imagine the backlash if it was the other way around?

 

[jye4ever]

Yep, if Thor had simply followed Cap's orders in Avengers 1 ("light the *******s up as they come through the breach") then he could have halted the entire invasion. He was taking out Leviathans two at a time for crying out loud. Probably could have flown through the portal and wiped out the mother ship himself.

Which is another cool thing about AoU; I loved Whedon's idea of Ultron using a city as a weapon. That SO prevents even the most powerful Avenger from blowing it up until everyone is off. Perfect way to create a challenge that allows everyone to use their powers to their fullest extent while still maintaining a prolonged final conflict.

Am I wrong to think that MCU Thor can't fly thru space without the rainbow transportation light from the bifrost?

All good points. I hope HE and BW die within the first give minutes of CW.

In hindsight, if all the conflict between Whedon and Feige is to be believed, and if Whedon really wanted to keep QS alive, then this reads to me like a farewell FU to Whedon. I can imagine their last face to face meeting went something like this:

Whedon: I appreciate the opportunity you gave me, but just want to say once more that I feel I could have done so much more without you looking over my shoulder and countermanding my decisions.
Feige: Yeah, well. . .don't let the door hit your ass on the way out. By the way, that character you liked so much? ****ing dead as a doornail. Now go write some Buffy comics and get the **** out of my office.

"Oh, and thanks for the billions, GTFO".

 

[Khev]

Feige: "See you on Twitter. Oh wait... *snicker*"

 

[jye4ever]

Feige only cares that my wife cried when QS died, he has a toilet with SSF name written on it.

 

[RIDDICK]

Can you imagine the backlash if it was the other way around?

I'm not US citizen, but I can.

 

[pturtle]

Yeah, I probably would have preferred they kill Hawkeye. He just never got any real traction as a cinematic hero. His moment with SW is probably the coolest he'll ever be (watch the Russos make me eat me words) and it might have had a bigger impact having Hawkeye die since he's appeared in three movies now than "easy come easy go" Quicksilver. Though I do feel an air of tragedy about QS dying when he DID have potential to be so much more.

He's clearly a tough character to write for though as his power has SO much application. They might have just decided to take the easy way out rather than risk having movies where he is stupidly underused like we saw with DOFP.

I think there's potential in Hawkeye, the whole family farm thing made me like his character even less but if we're being honest here, the poor guy has only really had a major role in two movies, both directed by the talentless Whedon. While I still hate Widow in these movies, the Russos made her as cool as she can possibly be, then look what Whedon did to her right after. I think the Russos will make Hawkeye into a badass.

 

[jye4ever]

Those Russo comedians could turn Bieber into Wolverine.

 

[Khev]

I think there's potential in Hawkeye, the whole family farm thing made me like his character even less but if we're being honest here, the poor guy has only really had a major role in two movies, both directed by the talentless Whedon. While I still hate Widow in these movies, the Russos made her as cool as she can possibly be, then look what Whedon did to her right after. I think the Russos will make Hawkeye into a badass.

You don't think that the Russos will run with the "serving wench at a party" motif that Whedon so carefully constructed for her?

 

[pturtle]

You don't think that the Russos will run with the "serving wench at a party" motif that Whedon so carefully constructed for her?

nope, and since Hulk won't be in Civil War, she can get back to focusing on the mission instead of running away and starting a family.

 

[jye4ever]

Maybe since she was sterilized HE's wife is carrying her baby for her.

Or HE's wife is just a LMD.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

I think there's potential in Hawkeye, the whole family farm thing made me like his character even less but if we're being honest here, the poor guy has only really had a major role in two movies, both directed by the talentless Whedon. While I still hate Widow in these movies, the Russos made her as cool as she can possibly be, then look what Whedon did to her right after. I think the Russos will make Hawkeye into a badass.

Not unless he shoots an M60 machine gun with one hand. The dude just shoots arrows and his hand to hand combat skills are highly questionable. Talk about mission impossible