Avengers: Age of Ultron (May 1st, 2015)

[Khev]

Fury's helicarrier was a great Deus Ex Machina moment.

And the one operator guy from TWS trying to sound badass was hilarious. "Lifeboat 3 is locked, stocked, it's uh stocked, it's...full of people."

 

[karamazov80]

Captain America tried and he got a repulsor blast to the chest lol.

Yeah, except by the time Vision was activated, their whole scuffle was totally forgotten, so there were no serious ramifications there

I guess Cap didn't really care all that much about it.

 

[Khev]

Yeah, except by the time Vision was activated, their whole scuffle was totally forgotten, so there were no serious ramifications there

I guess Cap didn't really care all that much about it.

I think he complained about a "mosquito bite" on his chest shortly afterward and left it at that.

 

[LexiKon318]

Yeah, except by the time Vision was activated, their whole scuffle was totally forgotten, so there were no serious ramifications there [emoji38]

I guess Cap didn't really care all that much about it.

Thor crashed the party and said Stark was right...problem solved. He won't be around for Civil War ha

 

[jye4ever]

Yeah, except by the time Vision was activated, their whole scuffle was totally forgotten, so there were no serious ramifications there

I guess Cap didn't really care all that much about it.

Vision said "I Am".

Everything was forgotten after that.

Which when you think about it:

Stark: "I Am Iron Man"

Vision: "I Am"



This movie just gives and gives!

 

[ronri]

Yes, the title isn't necessarily a timeline but rather the idea of a future could have existed. Many people don't like Ultron, but you must be aware to realize that Ultron almost executed his plans. Consider the death of QS, had that not happened, how else would SW have left and leave the switch vulnerable? Hell even before that; Tony had no idea to save everyone. Ultron wasn't a bad villain, it was variety of factors. He would have easily killed millions, but SHIELD came out of nowhere. I'd say Avengers lucked out on that.


Also people say Loki was a more brutal villain, for me; it isn't the case. Loki is a god looking to enslave, the most brutal thing he did was stab a guy for a retinal scan. Ultron chopped off a dudes arm because he was compared to a human, yet to mention: Tony Stark.



Loki also was scared of Thanos and started regretting his actions because of fear to his future. Ultron, as a damaged sentry, committed to his idea of evolution that he attacked Vision, knowing that he wouldn't be a match physically.


I'm saying after viewing it 3 times, Ultron has become a favorite; which wasn't the case in the first viewing.

Yeah I noticed that part as well. Ultron was defeated and there was simply no way he'd win in that confrontation at all. In the end, he stuck to his guns and still showed defiance even in his battered state. You could really sympathize with his frustration there.

 

[GasparZizou]

Vision said "I Am".

Everything was forgotten after that.

Which when you think about it:

Stark: "I Am Iron Man"

Vision: "I Am"



This movie just gives and gives!

I think he meant that he just exists, he just is...

"I'm not Ultron, I'm not Jarvis either, but I am" he doesn't know what he is, but he is... 3deep5u

Seriously though, very cool thing to say for an IA, Vision has got to be the best part of the movie, at least for me, I always like distant characters that provide an external somewhat cold view on humanity, like Dr. Manhattan and I also love IA stuff.

 

[Khev]

I assumed that Whedon was throwing in another Bible reference, like when God spoke to Moses through the burning bush: Moses asked who he was talking to and God says "I Am that I Am."

Maybe suggesting that Vision and Ultron were reflections of God and Satan. Or maybe God and mortal man? Because God doesn't want anyone to go to hell, not even "evil" people, and that seemed to be Vision's stance as well, so to speak.

The irony of course for Ultron being that he fancied himself another "Noah" when in fact he was representing the very evil that Noah was delivered from. HE was the one who God needed to throw the extinction level event at.

 

[abake]

Doyle clearly used that piece to air out some deep, personal grievances about society in general. I'd hate to have her unleash on me.
If people can't or don't want to understand the Marvel movie universe as it is being played out as a standard 6-issue limited series with the peripheral tie-in titles, then that's their problem. The synergy of this thing is immense and impressive. The whole, when it is done, will definitely be much greater than the sum of its parts.

She keeps chiming in about how big a fan she is of "stupid" movies, like it gives her some kind of credibility. But from that piece she wrote, I get the feeling she simply loves the things she qualifies as "stupid" because it makes her feel smart to pick them apart.

A lot of hyperbole in her article, but I do tend to agree on her assessment of character arcs in the movie. Nothing really happens to the characters, I wasn't invested in anything that happened to any of them, which was different in the first Avengers movie. It just had much more emotional impact for me. As it is, I find AoU a pretty decent, if empty, exercise in pop corn movie making.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

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I'd place that blame firmly on the shoulders of Chris Nolan. How many movies have been ruined because they wanted to replicate the dark, tactical, realistic feel.

Blame the cheap copycats, not the guy who did it well

 

[jye4ever]

I assumed that Whedon was throwing in another Bible reference, like when God spoke to Moses through the burning bush: Moses asked who he was talking to and God says "I Am that I Am."

Maybe suggesting that Vision and Ultron were reflections of God and Satan. Or maybe God and mortal man? Because God doesn't want anyone to go to hell, not even "evil" people, and that seemed to be Vision's stance as well, so to speak.

The irony of course for Ultron being that he fancied himself another "Noah" when in fact he was representing the very evil that Noah was delivered from. HE was the one who God needed to throw the extinction level event at.

Well, Ultron was literally lifting the earth to heaven.

I'm sure if you dig deep enough there is symbolism and metaphors to be found for him casting down that giant rock back to earth from the heavens.

 

[GasparZizou]

I assumed that Whedon was throwing in another Bible reference, like when God spoke to Moses through the burning bush: Moses asked who he was talking to and God says "I Am that I Am."

Yes, it occurred to me too, "I am" or "he is" is a way the bible refers to God.

And Vision was very benevolent, being reluctant to destroy Ultron.

Well, Ultron was literally lifting the earth to heaven.

I'm sure if you dig deep enough there is symbolism and metaphors to be found for him casting down that giant rock back to earth from the heavens.

Making fire flash down to earth from the sky.

 

[jye4ever]

I'm not a religious person, but wasn't Lucifer cast out of heaven?

Or was that Joel Schumacher?

Either way, I guess you can see the correlation between Ultron, Vision and Thor literally coming from the heavens to give life to Vision.

 

[GasparZizou]

The Thor part to me was more Frankenstein than divine

 

[jye4ever]

It also had the Frankenstein vibe, everyone referring to themselves as monsters.

 

[Khev]

I'm not a religious person, but wasn't Lucifer cast out of heaven?

He was, and none too happy about it either.

 

[RIDDICK]

A lot of hyperbole in her article, but I do tend to agree on her assessment of character arcs in the movie. Nothing really happens to the characters, I wasn't invested in anything that happened to any of them, which was different in the first Avengers movie. It just had much more emotional impact for me. As it is, I find AoU a pretty decent, if empty, exercise in pop corn movie making.

Yep. While this movie had to be huge in terms of scale and create a starting points for Phase 3, it also had to be a massive character driven story. And it's not about having too many characters or too much studio control, and definitely not about the story being darker.

You CAN make an awesome film with lots of characters, just write and direct it properly.
You CAN make an awesome film while being watched by studios' Big Bro, just be reasonable at defending your POV.

Whedon couldn't do it, which says a lot about him as a writer/director/person.

 

[Khev]

It also had the Frankenstein vibe, everyone referring to themselves as monsters.

And Beauty and the Beast. Widow's dream should have been her dancing with Banner at a ball. That would have infuriated everyone already pissed off that they used the Pinocchio song.

Then they could have gone full Cronenberg and had a little Hulkling burst out of her stomach.

 

[Sundowner]

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She keeps chiming in about how big a fan she is of "stupid" movies, like it gives her some kind of credibility. But from that piece she wrote, I get the feeling she simply loves the things she qualifies as "stupid" because it makes her feel smart to pick them apart.

There is always a loser trying to intellectualize these kind of movies saying they are **** but they actually love 'em

This pefectly illustrates why I have trouble reading old comics haha

Camp is good in small doses

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

I get the feeling she simply loves the things she qualifies as "stupid" because it makes her feel smart to pick them apart.

So she's picking them apart from....the INSIDE?