Brainiac
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Yeah, something with Venom would be good I think.
The venom storyline is my favorite from the animated series
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That solo spiderman flick has been done though. Five times. Yes they have packed in to many villains in most the movies. And it wasn't done especially well in a few others. But I'm all for trying to bring spiderman along in a NEW way. We have seen a solo spiderman film more then iron man, thor and Cap. Nearly combined. It's a new way to introduce the character. And part of Spider-Man's charm, for me, is the humor and how unlike the other characters he is. Best way to do that is have them all in one movie. It's also a way to get new people exposed to a character they may not otherwise go see in a solo. I'm all for them doing it.
This has been a persistent rumor/story for a couple years in the film world. I had heard six months ago it was a done deal. For Sony it makes sense in that, they can't sell or lease the character to other studios. Only back to marvel, because Sony is just leasing it from Marvel as is. And this way they invest less time and money with a higher percentage of profit possible. It makes sense for marvel in nearly every way imaginable.
I don't know if all the new leaked details are true. But most line up with things I've heard. To me, Marvel has earned the benefit of the doubt. I am 100% behind whatever they want to try. Up to this point they have done a great job overall. When you can propel iron man and thor and captain America to bigger cultural status, (just currently) and bigger box office and more marketing then Superman and Batman and Spider-man and the Xmen....then you have done things pretty well.
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I don't really see Marvel getting Spiderman back. I could totally see them "renting" him for a couple of movies. But as much as people complain about the Spidey movies, they do make money for Sony. So to sell him off completely I would think would take a LOT of money.
Not that Disney doesn't have it of course. I just think they'll keep him but rent him to Marvel for a couple of movies. Totally my own speculation though and I'm usually wrong.
Not that Disney doesn't have it of course. I just think they'll keep him but rent him to Marvel for a couple of movies. Totally my own speculation though and I'm usually wrong.
bransen2099
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Yup agreed, make a LOT of money, even tho the last one was rubbish. The only thing I liked about it was Foxx's Electro.
It's been rumored about the whole renting thing, I just don't want an Avenger in a Spidey movie, that'll be weird, contract issues, different actors all kinds of mess.
Brainiac
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sure its been done.... but correctly? I think not
bransen2099
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Just bring Spiderman 2099 to the present already and bam you made me happy
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Unlikely today but there IS the possibility of Sony selling Spidey back to Marvel. Sony only has the film rights at this point, as Disney was able to negotiate for the animation and merchandise rights from Sony shortly after buying Marvel, so Sony's rev stream is pretty much motion picture only. The Spidey films are showing a downward trend and it's pretty clear post-hack that Sony doesn't have any idea on how to revive this franchise. Granted, downward trend is going from $760M to $700M, still a healthy theatrical gross, but as the superhero movie genre gets more crowded and Sony continues to struggle creatively in the next few years, this could quickly turn from disappointment to train wreck and hurt the value of the Spidey franchise. I don't see this happening anytime soon, but it's certainly possible in the next few years. If the Marvel co-production deal falls through (which it probably will, my guess), Sony does its spinoff, bombs again (hopefully big time), and at that point Sony would be much more open to selling back the rights.
Brainiac
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oh yeah
bransen2099
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Unlikely today but there IS the possibility of Sony selling Spidey back to Marvel. Sony only has the film rights at this point, as Disney was able to negotiate for the animation and merchandise rights from Sony shortly after buying Marvel, so Sony's rev stream is pretty much motion picture only. The Spidey films are showing a downward trend and it's pretty clear post-hack that Sony doesn't have any idea on how to revive this franchise. Granted, downward trend is going from $760M to $700M, still a healthy theatrical gross, but as the superhero movie genre gets more crowded and Sony continues to struggle creatively in the next few years, this could quickly turn from disappointment to train wreck and hurt the value of the Spidey franchise. I don't see this happening anytime soon, but it's certainly possible in the next few years. If the Marvel co-production deal falls through (which it probably will, my guess), Sony does its spinoff, bombs again (hopefully big time), and at that point Sony would be much more open to selling back the rights.
I totally agree with this but you'll be surprised how much fans are fanboy crazy about the new films. My god the movie's Facebook is depressing.
People need to realize they ain't making good use of Spidey, the character is much better than Raimi's but the stories and overall films are lacking.
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Unlikely today but there IS the possibility of Sony selling Spidey back to Marvel. Sony only has the film rights at this point, as Disney was able to negotiate for the animation and merchandise rights from Sony shortly after buying Marvel, so Sony's rev stream is pretty much motion picture only. The Spidey films are showing a downward trend and it's pretty clear post-hack that Sony doesn't have any idea on how to revive this franchise. Granted, downward trend is going from $760M to $700M, still a healthy theatrical gross, but as the superhero movie genre gets more crowded and Sony continues to struggle creatively in the next few years, this could quickly turn from disappointment to train wreck and hurt the value of the Spidey franchise. I don't see this happening anytime soon, but it's certainly possible in the next few years. If the Marvel co-production deal falls through (which it probably will, my guess), Sony does its spinoff, bombs again (hopefully big time), and at that point Sony would be much more open to selling back the rights.
Not to be a jerk or anything, but half of this post is incorrect. don't has only ever had the film rights. Those where sold off by marvel back during their bad business and bankruptcy days(along with blade and DD, and FF and xmen ect and not all to Sony I get that). Everything else that was done was under a licensing agreement. Disney owns marvel. They never needed to buy anything back from Sony. And marvel never sold any cartoon or merchandising rights to anything.
The only reason film rights where sold was because marvel did not have or own it's own studio and never expected to. DC still doesn't. No one thought it would ever work. But they did have at different points an in house cartoon division. And when it went out of house, it was just a licensed product. They never sold the rights.
Technically never sold the film rights either. Sony doesn't own the film rights. They have a lifetime lease, so long as they release a movie every so many years. And even then Marvel gets a cut. And marvel has rights to merchandising for the films. But Sony gets a cut. Sony can't sell the rights or lease them to anyone else. They are not considered an asset, so if what happened to MGM happens to Sony the court can't sell Spider-Man's film rights to help make Sony solvent. They could agree to relinquish any future claims on film rights so they revert back to Marvel for a fee. (Or for free if they wanted). They could also come to just about any understanding they wanted with marvel. It's marvels property so marvel could do whatever.
It's complicated, but Sony didn't own merchandising or cartoons, they just have an auto renew lease (if a new movie is released theatrically in the USA every set number of years) on the film rights, and they get a cut of the profit on film related merchandising.
kevb0977
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You mentioned DC, they belong to Warner Bros don't they? I'm sure I read that somewhere.
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yep...
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According to the agreements with both Sony and Fox, they don't have to even make a full fledged film to retain the rights, they just have to make a movie (doesn't matter if it is even a real thing, just enough to consider a film) and show it in one theater and sell tickets and they retain the rights. Fox was joking about that before First Class came out. Disney has been trying to get those contracts nullified since buying the company, not only for film rights but because according to the rights Universal also owns Marvel in theme parks East of the Mississippi in the US meaning that Disney cannot utilize them in WDW while their neighbors can without a problem. Disney gets a cut though of course.
Sony owned the merchandising rights to the Spider-Man films and anything with their likenesses, the problem was the company was so in need of money that they sold the lion's share of those to Disney to save the sinking ship. This rental that seems to have been done for Infinity War seems to be as close as Marvel is going to get until they are so deep in need that just liquidate but if Sony was pulling back and suddenly agreed then you know that the money they'll receive will keep them afloat for a while. If you see Spidey in a Marvel Studios film it'll have the Sony markers before it and be shared thing only profit-wise similar to the way SSC has to pay Hasbro for the rights to make Star Wars 1:6 figures because they are leasing them from them.
Marvel Studios will make Spider-Man films because it's a license to print money and Sony will let them because they need the money and can't do it themselves due to bleeding from every other facet of Sony Pictures and everything from "The Amazing Spider-Man" line will be a blip because Marvel will toss everything out and start fresh. If Sony isn't allowing until Infinity War it is most likely because they want to exercise all the contractual rights before turning them over and try to squeeze the last bit of cash from this property that'll be only Sony's before depending on Marvel.
Rosie Jones is right!
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Spoke too soon, Sony's reps are now denying that they came to an agreement with Disney for Infinity War
For what it's worth, they would deny it even if it was all true.
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