Avengers: Age of Ultron

[ironwez20]

Exactly. Benedict comberbatch denied strange rumors. Paul Rudd denied ant man rumors so what's so different here? We haven't heard anything from marvel who are always vocal. Of course they are gonna deny a top secret deal. The spidey summit is next Monday so they would keep things under wraps til then.

 

[Motuxmen]

According to the agreements with both Sony and Fox, they don't have to even make a full fledged film to retain the rights, they just have to make a movie (doesn't matter if it is even a real thing, just enough to consider a film) and show it in one theater and sell tickets and they retain the rights. Fox was joking about that before First Class came out. Disney has been trying to get those contracts nullified since buying the company, not only for film rights but because according to the rights Universal also owns Marvel in theme parks East of the Mississippi in the US meaning that Disney cannot utilize them in WDW while their neighbors can without a problem. Disney gets a cut though of course.

Sony owned the merchandising rights to the Spider-Man films and anything with their likenesses, the problem was the company was so in need of money that they sold the lion's share of those to Disney to save the sinking ship. This rental that seems to have been done for Infinity War seems to be as close as Marvel is going to get until they are so deep in need that just liquidate but if Sony was pulling back and suddenly agreed then you know that the money they'll receive will keep them afloat for a while. If you see Spidey in a Marvel Studios film it'll have the Sony markers before it and be shared thing only profit-wise similar to the way SSC has to pay Hasbro for the rights to make Star Wars 1:6 figures because they are leasing them from them.

Marvel Studios will make Spider-Man films because it's a license to print money and Sony will let them because they need the money and can't do it themselves due to bleeding from every other facet of Sony Pictures and everything from "The Amazing Spider-Man" line will be a blip because Marvel will toss everything out and start fresh. If Sony isn't allowing until Infinity War it is most likely because they want to exercise all the contractual rights before turning them over and try to squeeze the last bit of cash from this property that'll be only Sony's before depending on Marvel.

Sony didn't own anything related to spiderman. Still doesn't.

That was my point.

Also, Sony still has rights to movie related merchandising. It's a complex profit share system based on a boat load of stuff. But they didn't sell those rights. Or relinquish them.

And I know where you are getting that info about it not having to be a full theatrical release..because of that old FF movie issue. But it's because of the debacle that the wording on these agreements where updated so that it takes more then a one theater mini film release. Just because fox joked about it doesn't mean it's the case. Or properties like Blade and Daredevil would have never been allowed to revert back to marvel. If all it takes is a cheap crap movie with a one theater release.

 

[hunnipot85]

I think the only two I am going to buy are Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver.

 

[The Mike]

Hunni! It's been a long time since I stumbled upon one of your posts. Depending on the amount of orders that are given and how fast I might pick up Cap and IM but the Mark 43's pricetag has me flinching already. I'm also wondering if we'll see another couple of Marks like in most Marvel films and so I might wait and see what is actually offered.

 

[third3ye]

Not to be a jerk or anything, but half of this post is incorrect. don't has only ever had the film rights. Those where sold off by marvel back during their bad business and bankruptcy days(along with blade and DD, and FF and xmen ect and not all to Sony I get that). Everything else that was done was under a licensing agreement. Disney owns marvel. They never needed to buy anything back from Sony. And marvel never sold any cartoon or merchandising rights to anything.

The only reason film rights where sold was because marvel did not have or own it's own studio and never expected to. DC still doesn't. No one thought it would ever work. But they did have at different points an in house cartoon division. And when it went out of house, it was just a licensed product. They never sold the rights.

Technically never sold the film rights either. Sony doesn't own the film rights. They have a lifetime lease, so long as they release a movie every so many years. And even then Marvel gets a cut. And marvel has rights to merchandising for the films. But Sony gets a cut. Sony can't sell the rights or lease them to anyone else. They are not considered an asset, so if what happened to MGM happens to Sony the court can't sell Spider-Man's film rights to help make Sony solvent. They could agree to relinquish any future claims on film rights so they revert back to Marvel for a fee. (Or for free if they wanted). They could also come to just about any understanding they wanted with marvel. It's marvels property so marvel could do whatever.

It's complicated, but Sony didn't own merchandising or cartoons, they just have an auto renew lease (if a new movie is released theatrically in the USA every set number of years) on the film rights, and they get a cut of the profit on film related merchandising.

I stand corrected on the licensing part but with respect to the point of my post, owning film rights vs license in perpetuity is toMAEtoes toMAHtoes. 'Half my post' being incorrect is quite the overestimation, especially when considering 2/3 of my post was my own opinion - can opinions be incorrect now? Bottomline is, Sony's revenue stream from Spidey is almost exclusively in motion picture and the value of this franchise for them strictly depends on how well the character does on the silver screen. Sony gets absolutely no share of anything related to the Spider-Man cartoons or comics.

 

[Brainiac]

I just read that the UK and Irelandrock) get to see this a full 8 days before the US

 

[Y4NK33 PL4N3T]

 

[YankeesFanboy]

I just read that the UK and Irelandrock) get to see this a full 8 days before the US

That's because we feel sorry for you.

 

[DasFoster]

I just read that the UK and Irelandrock) get to see this a full 8 days before the US

There's going to be so many spoilers on here.....must avoid getting online for 8 days.

PS - That gif is fantastic

 

[YankeesFanboy]

Does Brainy look like the type of guy who can keep a secret?

 

[Brainiac]

Does Brainy look like the type of guy who can keep a secret?

 

[YankeesFanboy]

Exactly.

 

[Motuxmen]

I stand corrected on the licensing part but with respect to the point of my post, owning film rights vs license in perpetuity is toMAEtoes toMAHtoes. 'Half my post' being incorrect is quite the overestimation, especially when considering 2/3 of my post was my own opinion - can opinions be incorrect now? Bottomline is, Sony's revenue stream from Spidey is almost exclusively in motion picture and the value of this franchise for them strictly depends on how well the character does on the silver screen. Sony gets absolutely no share of anything related to the Spider-Man cartoons or comics.

That is correct. And all I was saying.

As for what I said about your post being half wrong...Or however I worded it, I was not talking about your opinions. Just the facts used to support them. I get it wasn't a big deal. And I wasn't trying to be negative or a jerk or anything like that. But I also see every day where a couple of facts used by one person, incorrect ones, end up being touted as gospel by another and soon half the people online are under the impressions that those original facts as law. I'm just trying to make sure the right info gets out there so people have it. That's all. I wasn't trying to bash anyone. Or be a jerk. Sorry if it came off that way.

 

[Brainiac]

Exactly.

Speaking of spoilers, I would never give away spoilers if I saw the movie early, its just so rude and I wouldnt even post them in spoiler tags because its an evil temptation. That being said

Heres a link to an article that contains MAJOR..... MAJOR MEGA HULKBUSTER sized spoilers(I havent read them)

The Avengers 2 Call Sheet Reveals Big Spoiler - Cosmic Book News
Sorry!
Oh and speaking of Hulkbuster, whoa mama does he look huge here

 

[Y4NK33 PL4N3T]

What a monstah!

 

[GavilanOrd]

Yeah, when I first saw the Hot Toys Hulkbuster prototype I thought he was out of scale with the Hulk but after seeing that he looks just about right. That figure is going to be a beast . . .

 

[McHaleyArt]

Oh and speaking of Hulkbuster, whoa mama does he look huge here

Don't know if this is posted...probably. In case it's not:

 

[JorReno]

Spoiler

Pietro (Quicksilver) watches the Hulk transform and then sees a butterfly cocoon.

What sorta artsy film is this?

 

[Rambler]

What sorta artsy film is this?

 

[third3ye]

That is correct. And all I was saying.

As for what I said about your post being half wrong...Or however I worded it, I was not talking about your opinions. Just the facts used to support them. I get it wasn't a big deal. And I wasn't trying to be negative or a jerk or anything like that. But I also see every day where a couple of facts used by one person, incorrect ones, end up being touted as gospel by another and soon half the people online are under the impressions that those original facts as law. I'm just trying to make sure the right info gets out there so people have it. That's all. I wasn't trying to bash anyone. Or be a jerk. Sorry if it came off that way.

No worries at all.