Avengers Secret Wars - November 7, 2025

[ZE_501]

Man can't make anyone here happy...

Shmoke and a pancake?

 

[Sassafras]

Well that's just it ... they shouldn't have tried this current era stuff because most of it falls short. Setting the established MCU aside as background and focusing on a really great FF movie may have been the better move to usher in a new era.

I hadn't been tracking it...thought heading into FF was a done deal.

Does this mean Dr. Strange is gonna show up being evil? Resurrect Wanda and Vision? I hope so plus more Loki

D@mmit I thought I was done with my Iron Studios 1/10 lineup and in 2 years each figure will be 350$ each.

 

[Mondragon]

They know their audience.
Story-wise how much sense does it have to make? Their mutiverse certainly allows for them to pull anything out their @$$.
As far as corporate-money-wise; it certainly makes sense for a studio desperately trying to hang on to a franchise, and it's ticket buying drones, to bring back the guy they will mindlessly cheer for, no mater if it makes sense or not.

So welcome to a universe where we get a sassy Dr. Doom, in high heals, and likely a minor beauty-scar, which makes him into a tortured mess.

 

[chrisstbh]

They know their audience.
Story-wise how much sense does it have to make? Their mutiverse certainly allows for them to pull anything out their @$$.

And that's the problem with the MCU multiverse as a whole, it has no rules, it makes no sense. They're just throwing things at the wall and hoping they stick, it doesn't work.

Spider-Verse has rules, it makes sense and it works.

 

[lordnastrond]

"Somehow Tony Stark returned"

 

[lordnastrond]

They know their audience.
Story-wise how much sense does it have to make? Their mutiverse certainly allows for them to pull anything out their @$$.
As far as corporate-money-wise; it certainly makes sense for a studio desperately trying to hang on to a franchise, and it's ticket buying drones, to bring back the guy they will mindlessly cheer for, no mater if it makes sense or not.

So welcome to a universe where we get a sassy Dr. Doom, in high heals, and likely a minor beauty-scar, which makes him into a tortured mess.

And that's the problem with the MCU multiverse as a whole, it has no rules, it makes no sense. They're just throwing things at the wall and hoping they stick, it doesn't work.

Spider-Verse has rules, it makes sense and it works.

You are both exactly right and that is why it is so hard to even care about the characters or the stakes anymore

Character died? - theres an infinite number of them!
World destroyed? - no worries we have spares!
Hey, you know that perfect casting you always wanted? - Here they are as a joke and you will never see them again!
Want some 90s/2000s nostalgia? - dinner is served, but dont expect us to actually engage with them as an actual character or give them an arc!

Its like a parody of itself and I say this as a genuine passionate fan.... I am so over it and increasingly am losing hope of it ever course-correcting in the right direction.

 

[karamazov80]

Kamala? Yeah they'd all get instantly smoked by Doom.

Uh, I don't think so. Fist I've heard of kamala joining the marvel universe. Looking forward to this actually.

 

[Turtle882]

What are the Avengers going to do when they see that it’s a guy that looks like Stark?

That right there is why Superior Iron Man would make more sense. Just make him literally Iron Man from another universe. No need to ruin Doom by giving him the RDJ treatment.

 

[jye4ever]

I wanted Cillian Murphy

Instead I got a Doom who is playing IM who is playing RDJ.

 

[KitbashOfficer]

I wanted Cillian Murphy

Instead I got Doom who is playing IM who is playing RDJ.

More Feige tomfoolery.

 

[lordnastrond]

Also - come to think of it, this is just BEGGING for a cancel culture backlash - Victor Von Doom is famously [and intrinsically to his character and history] Eastern European Romani, RDJ's is.... not that [variants or not].
Ignoring stuff like that you could get away with in the early 2000s - not now.

 

[KitbashOfficer]

Also - come to think of it, this is just BEGGING for a cancel culture backlash - Victor Von Doom is famously [and intrinsically to his character and history] Eastern European Romani, RDJ's is.... not that [variants or not].
Ignoring stuff like that you could get away with in the early 2000s - not now.

So...cast Volodymyr Zelensky?

 

[jye4ever]

Wor-Gar is sad that he will not be getting a 3 page history lesson on the fictional comic book character known as Doom from darthkostis

 

[lordnastrond]

So...cast Volodymyr Zelensky?

Honestly - I dont hate it
Be odd for Paddington Bear and DR DOOM to have the same voice actor!

 

[MeatHookGekko]

This may be the single worst casting decision I have ever seen.

 

[ebor]

I see a lot of hate here…

We shall see when the movie drops…

We shall see when the inevitable HT Artisan Doom with die cast is announced…

And you will all be lining up like Marvel lemmings that you are…

 

[KitbashOfficer]

Wor-Gar is sad that he will not be getting a 3 page history lesson on the fictional comic book character known as Doom from darthkostis

LOL - that dude could write a damn thesis, wow...

 

[wormlander]

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Is she just a little thor, or can she hardly walk?...

 

[JacktheRipper]

A terrible movie does not necessarily mean terrible figures. I know a lot of collectors base their collecting on the portrayal of a character. I've purchased figures solely based on aesthetics. Granted, not so much, if any, lately due to price. This could have some nice representations.

 

[MeatHookGekko]

Well that's just it ... they shouldn't have tried this current era stuff because most of it falls short. Setting the established MCU aside as background and focusing on a really great FF movie may have been the better move to usher in a new era.

IMHO, it's just a very complex situation, a function of logistics and desperation. The MCU has been running so long that they have almost run out of actors to star in their films. They have cast so many people now, that it limits their options. The other thing is when you have the entire franchise struggling, you need a really bankable actor to lead the film and draw in audiences. How many people can do that? (Tom Hanks, Denzel Washington, Keanu Reeves, Tom Cruise, Leonardo DiCaprio, Daniel Day Lewis, it's a super short list) And out of those guys, who is going to sign a 6-7 picture long term contract to play the same character? The last time the very casual movie going audience seemed to be excited to go see some films was Barbie and Oppenheimer. But is it worth it to go now? Gas, time, parking, 45 minutes of previews/trailers, people with their cell phones and babies in theaters, etc, etc.

As the release date is 26/27, that means they are creating distance. Because there is no guarantee we won't face another long term pandemic lockdown. Or that, at least in the US, there won't be looting/rioting/burning/total destruction in major cities for at least a year ( It happened in 2020) If that happens, the basic local movie theater is going to die off. I mean look at the gym/fitness industry, the lockdowns and riots killed off so many of them, they couldn't survive.

I personally don't think it's good casting, but it was the best they could do in a desperate situation. Their releases, most of them lately, have really suffered and angered fans. Though, if you look at it from a writing perspective, it could get ugly. RDJ can only play RDJ. So to make him a 'bad guy', the most efficient way to do that if for him to kill a crap load of Avengers. To set a different tone. Shang Chi, Shuri, The Eternals, Pepper Potts, etc, etc, there's a long list of characters that aren't helping the MCU right now and could get massacred in the films.

The loss of Emily Blunt as Sue Storm had a huge domino effect here IMHO. She's a great performer and she can consistently elevate the material. She can do physical roles and she appeals aesthetically to both men and women. But since she hasn't won an Oscar yet, there was close to no chance she'd sign a long term 7 picture deal. Also John Krasinki is a package deal with Blunt, and people hate working with that guy. I don't think the functional parts of the MCU could survive Krasinksi's ego for six films and a decade of bloat. Had Blunt got cast as Sue Storm in F4, maybe this RDJ stunt casting wouldn't have happened. Feige might have more confidence in a less brand name actor for Doom. My current pick would have been Kevin Spacey. Strange as that might sound. ( Though I think the best choice, Mads Mikkelson, was already wasted in Dr Strange 1) Phenomenal actor, whatever people think of his off camera scandals, the guy can bring it. And just enough tension in the casting to get people casually interested in seeing how it would turn out. Also he'd might be more apt to sign a long term deal and sign for cheaper given his situation. He's already baked in as a 'bad guy' by perception already, why not maximize that. But that's just me.

Paul W.S Anderson's Alien Vs Predator was kind of a mediocre film ( But looked really good for the practical budget and had some nice fight scenes). But good God, the toys and merchandise from it was incredible. The Predator designs were really awesome. Even a mediocre film can give you good toys. I think that's my biggest problem as a collector with some MCUreleases. For example, I though Shang Chi was a mediocre film, but also the merchandise and figures, IMHO, really sucked too. As collectors, I feel we at least have the back end hope of good figures as a consolation prize whereas most casual movie goers don't have that option.

I predict a lot of cameos, thus a lot of figures. Tons and tons of figures. Maybe that's a good thing for all of us here. I didn't love Ultron, but that Hulkbuster was, merchandise wise, a literal money printing press all it's own. I can live with cool toys as the only consolation prize here.