Bad day for Sony

[Deckard]

If they alienate that judge enough and can personally contact him and not just his voicemail, that may dirty him making him part of all this and forcing him to remove himself from the case. Its actually genius. Just not the good kind.

 

[Porko Rossi]

Their online already sucked. This can't make it any worse.

So true

A lot of people (me included) were really p****d off with Sony updates taking away the option to install an Operating System of our choice (Linux). They advertised the PS3 as having that option years ago !

Maybe Sony had their reasons ??

 

[devilof76]

The hacker who cracked the PS3 had no respect for the intellectual property rights of Sony. Sony attempted to protect it by subpeonaing the names of those who visited the site where the stolen goods were being made available. Now those who oppose Sony taking this action of legal self-defense are assaulting the company in retaliation, executing judgment and sentence outside any real legal channel.

It is anarchist, terrorist, and the behavior of common (albeit petty, cowardly, anonymous) thugs. Punish to the fullest extent.

 

[Deak Starkiller]

The hacker who cracked the PS3 had no respect for the intellectual property rights of Sony. Sony attempted to protect it by subpeonaing the names of those who visited the site where the stolen goods were being made available. Now those who oppose Sony taking this action of legal self-defense are assaulting the company in retaliation, executing judgment and sentence outside any real legal channel.

It is anarchist, terrorist, and the behavior of common (albeit petty, cowardly, anonymous) thugs. Punish to the fullest extent.

Well put Devil, but still I have to agree this line of thought is very dangerous. You can have my IP when you take it from my cold dead hands.

 

[nash]

TBH, I wouldnt lose sleep if they gave these hackers the death penalty. single handedly ruining services for millions of innocent customers. You play with fire, prepare to get burned.

 

[Jen]

TBH, I wouldnt lose sleep if they gave these hackers the death penalty. single handedly ruining services for millions of innocent customers. You play with fire, prepare to get burned.

That's what pisses me off. If you don't like Sony - then boycott them and don't buy any of their products - but don't go screwing things up for people that aren't involved. Internet vigilantes suck.

 

[Star Puffs]

Could people please stop with the hysterical "terrorism" rhetoric? What these people are doing is harassment and vandalism, but the gulf between them and actual terrorists is the difference between throwing bullets at someone versus firing them from a gun.

Hacking has aspects good and bad. Power needs to be challenged in order to be kept in check, especially as governments abdicate their oversight of business activities and become essentially paid tools of the wealthiest interests.

Sony is a company that will sue DMCA-protected research (see Sony v. Hotz) as vigourously as actual copyright infringers. Many of these companies need to learn that legal bullying through their disproportionate access to lawyers and wealth does not make them immune to consequences.

 

[Star Puffs]

TBH, I wouldnt lose sleep if they gave these hackers the death penalty. single handedly ruining services for millions of innocent customers. You play with fire, prepare to get burned.

Did you think even for a few seconds before typing that? Basically you announce you would judicially murder someone for non-violent offences? I guess your need to play video games (said as a PS3 owner myself) trumps basic concepts of proportional justice and humanity. If that is not moral bankruptcy, then what is?

Edit: I would like to point out that a moderator not only let that comment pass, but quoted it without any qualms. I guess cheerleading ending a human life, even if ostensibly meant as hyperbole is OK...just as long as they don't use profanity, right?

 

[NosferatuBill36]

Could people please stop with the hysterical "terrorism" rhetoric? What these people are doing is harassment and vandalism, but the gulf between them and actual terrorists is the difference between throwing bullets at someone versus firing them from a gun.

Hacking has aspects good and bad. Power needs to be challenged in order to be kept in check, especially as governments abdicate their oversight of business activities and become essentially paid tools of the wealthiest interests.

Sony is a company that will sue DMCA-protected research (see Sony v. Hotz) as vigourously as actual copyright infringers. Many of these companies need to learn that legal bullying through their disproportionate access to lawyers and wealth does not make them immune to consequences.

Just wondering...

If you were an employee of Sony, or someone that had their bank account thoroughly toyed with by hackers similar to this, would you still carry the same attitude about this type of crime?

And this IS a form of "terrorism." I'm not sure why some people are struggling with this concept.

Whether they deserve death, is extremely subjective.

Just because I DON'T know them, and just because they HAVE interrupted my ability to enjoy a game or two, I couldn't care less if they did die. But I'm a *******. And the idea of some 125 pound nerd sitting behind a computer threatening others brings up the notions that they are both cowardly, and in dire need of some female companionship.

 

[occulum]

Did you think even for a few seconds before typing that? Basically you announce you would judicially murder someone for non-violent offences? I guess your need to play video games (said as a PS3 owner myself) trumps basic concepts of proportional justice and humanity. If that is not moral bankruptcy, then what is?

... uh ...... uh ... alls I saws he said is that he wouldnt lose any sleep .... dont be a ____ stirrer ....

 

[Star Puffs]

Just wondering...

If you were an employee of Sony...

And this IS a form of "terrorism." I'm not sure why some people are struggling with this concept.

Maybe because I have twice been the victim of cyber-crimes but also went to Harrod's with my mother two days before the IRA blew up a car bomb in front of the store in 1983.

I guess that gives me some perspective on what constitutes "terrorism".

Whether they deserve death, is extremely subjective.

Yeah, deciding whether to extinguish a human life for petty crimes against property and privacy is a REAL tough call. Good lord, I think Stalin put more thought into killing people than that.

 

[Jen]

Maybe because I have twice been the victim of cyber-crimes but also went to Harrod's with my mother two days before the IRA blew up a car bomb in front of the store in 1983.

I guess that gives me some perspective on what constitutes "terrorism".



Yeah, deciding whether to extinguish a human life for petty crimes against property and privacy is a REAL tough call. Good lord, I think Stalin put more thought into killing people than that.

I highly doubt Nash was serious...well maybe he wouldn't lose sleep - but let's get serious here - I think we all know that the toughest penalties these people may get is some hefty fines and possibly some jail time.

if we are going to start policing everyone that says something in jest or is being a bit on the dramatic side - I would have a full time job here. And the part of Nash's post I was commenting on was that which I bolded.

 

[Star Puffs]

I highly doubt Nash was serious...if we are going to start policing everyone that says something in jest or is being a bit on the dramatic side - I would have a full time job here.

I seriously doubt "jest" would be cited as a defence if this were an issue of racism, for example. If the standards of this board have any meaning, then cavalier attitudes towards a real person dying should be at the top of the list.

"Just remember what the MPAA says: Horrific, deplorable violence is okay, as long as people don't say any naughty words!" --Sheila Broflovski

 

[occulum]

Youre aware Elves shot and killed potentially innocent Orcs arent you?
Each shouldve had a legitimate trial and conviction and then possibly sentenced to death.
To think those elves just killed them on sight. Im sure many innocent orcs were murdered at the hands of those evil elves who hid cowardly behind their beautiful appearance and shot first without asking a single orc whether or not they wanted to share a cup o tea...

 

[Darklord Dave]

Although I'm pro-internet privacy - I'd have to come down on the side of DDos is terrorism. I think I mentioned it on this site when our hosting company was bombarded with DDoS over a number of days by Russian spammers. They actually were trying to get a payment out of the ISP as a "ransom" to stop the attack. No matter how you define it, I think that counts as "terrorism."

 

[DiFabio]

I'm waiting for the day when someone does this on a larger scale.

Imagine deleting and/or hacking the Internet in it's entirety. Information, files, accounts, articles, backups, everything. People would go mad.

 

[Boba Ben]

I'm waiting for the day when someone does this on a larger scale.

Imagine deleting and/or hacking the Internet in it's entirety. Information, files, accounts, articles, backups, everything. People would go mad.

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[Fritz]

Something I find interesting is that Sony legally was able to obtain IP addresses of anyone who visited Hotz site while 'hackers' illegally obtained information about Sony employees. To me, both are a breach of privacy.

 

[Star Puffs]

No matter how you define it, I think that counts as "terrorism."

I'll use an American definition since most people here are American:

U.S. Code Title 22, Ch.38, Para. 2656f(d)
(d) Definitions
As used in this section—
...
(2) the term “terrorism” means premeditated, politically motivated violence perpetrated against noncombatant targets by subnational groups or clandestine agents;

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Dave, the DDoS attack you described involved neither violence nor a political motive. It was just a cyber-crime, however dispicable.

 

[plasmid303]

Something I find interesting is that Sony legally was able to obtain IP addresses of anyone who visited Hotz site while 'hackers' illegally obtained information about Sony employees. To me, both are a breach of privacy.

By Constitutional law, Sony has done nothing illegal. GeoHot filtered data that Sony feels is confidential and Sony has all the right to sue GeoHot for it. This is a democracy, and if Sony believe that GeoHot made them suffer a loss, they can sue him by the civil law. And a judge will decide if GeoHot is guilty or not and all within the law. Sony asked to the judge for the IPs of who watched the video, and the judge approved this. All following the legal paths. Whether or not you agree with this is something that you should take up with our law system, not Sony.

Anonymous is acting over the constitution, over the law and over any democratic right, not because Sony has done any felony that is not punished, because they don't like that Sony use the law to protect their rights. A judge will decide if Sony is right or wrong. And not only is Anonymous trying to force their law over the constitutional one, their acts of DDOS'ing the servers of the people that they say they defend, trying to harass the child of Sony workers that maybe don't even agree with the legal measures of Sony, and trying to pressure a federal judge.

This is all boiling over the edge and I hate seeing it happen. Like devil said on the previous page, in this case, Anon are behaving as nothing more than thugs and I hope they get their comeuppance.