Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (March 24th, 2016)

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

They don't say anything about Godot's acting or portrayal of the character....nothing. Another thing, if WW was around in WWI, how does she get to the present time and how come no one knows about her?

 

[DiFabio]

Another thing, if WW was around in WWI, how does she get to the present time and how come no one knows about her?

That's a story for another time, child.

 

[a-dev]

From a certain point of view....

 

[EVILFACE]

 

[GasparZizou]

Another thing, if WW was around in WWI, how does she get to the present time

By just living till present time comes?

and how come no one knows about her?

I'm gonna guess she's been working in secret with the Gov.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

That's a story for another time, child.

From a certain point of view....

By just living till present time comes?


I'm gonna guess she's been working in secret with the Gov.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

 

[DiFabio]

I have a hard time believing that he can move more freely than Keaton, Bale, Kilmer and Clooney.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

I have a hard time believing that he can move more freely than Keaton, Bale, Kilmer and Clooney.

Believe

 

[YankeesFanboy]

That's a story for another time, child.

 

[GasparZizou]

****ing A, that looks fantastic.

I have a hard time believing that he can move more freely than Keaton, Bale, Kilmer and Clooney.

I don't know, it looks quite soft and light in motion.

 

[EVILFACE]

I have a hard time believing that he can move more freely than Keaton, Bale, Kilmer and Clooney.

Well for starters, he can turn his head.

 

[Khev]

We're in the stage now where Khev is ranking Force Awakens above the original Star Wars. I know he probably thinks it's a CLASSIC and up there with the greats right now. I predicted people would do this, next it will surpass Empire Srikes Back for him, maybe after he sees it 4 or 5 more times.

See here's the thing. I've watched pretty much every major movie that you hold dear be the "shiny new toy." I've lived in a world without Star Wars. I've lived in a world without ESB, Raiders, Terminator, ALIEN, ALIENS, RoboCop and so on. All those movies were at one point films I watched trailers or TV spots for, just like The Force Awakens. I was at ground zero when ANH (or "Star Wars") became a worldwide sensation and then got to see just three years later a "shiny new" Star Wars film come out and be *better.* I know it's a scary thing for you to ever dare to rank a film against a "classic" that came out before you were born because for you those films have some mythic, deified quality to them.

But your little "ermagerd" moment with me thinking that TFA was a better overall film than ANH is no different than someone saying they thought The Winter Soldier was better made than Batman Begins or TDK. Do you have to agree with them? No. But getting all light headed and week in the knees at the audacity of such a claim like you're a feinting Scarlet O'Hara is really quite silly and I imagine that one day you'll realize that. Camping out in nothing but the "classics" as they have been labeled over a period of 20 or more years doesn't make you some level headed film critic. It just makes you kind of a cinematic wuss that always picks the "safe" films for fear of being called out as some reactionary fanboy. Don't be a wuss.

Some films will pretty much always be the most "important." And in the SW saga nothing will ever touch ANH. Other films have equal or greater importance for other reasons. 2001: A Space Odyssey, Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs, Metropolis, Pulp Fiction and so on. It doesn't mean they can't be surpassed and it doesn't mean that they can't be surpassed by a film that came out this year. You seem to be pretty big on the "drama" of other people liking movies "too much." It's hard to respect someone's opinion when they're so concerned with how much their opinions impress other people.

 

[YankeesFanboy]

Pretty sure this kid plays Lil Wayne on Gotham.

Kinda cool, even though he'll never play Bats. Unless Heller, et al. get desperate.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

See here's the thing. I've watched pretty much every major movie that you hold dear be the "shiny new toy." I've lived in a world without Star Wars. I've lived in a world without ESB, Raiders, Terminator, ALIEN, ALIENS, RoboCop and so on. All those movies were at one point films I watched trailers or TV spots for, just like The Force Awakens. I was at ground zero when ANH (or "Star Wars") became a worldwide sensation and then got to see just three years later a "shiny new" Star Wars film come out and be *better.* I know it's a scary thing for you to ever dare to rank a film against a "classic" that came out before you were born because for you those films have some mythic, deified quality to them.

But your little "ermagerd" moment with me thinking that TFA was a better overall film than ANH is no different than someone saying they thought The Winter Soldier was better made than Batman Begins or TDK. Do you have to agree with them? No. But getting all light headed and week in the knees at the audacity of such a claim like you're a feinting Scarlet O'Hara is really quite silly and I imagine that one day you'll realize that. Camping out in nothing but the "classics" as they have been labeled over a period of 20 or more years doesn't make you some level headed film critic. It just makes you kind of a cinematic wuss that always picks the "safe" films for fear of being called out as some reactionary fanboy. Don't be a wuss.

Some films will pretty much always be the most "important." And in the SW saga nothing will ever touch ANH. Other films have equal or greater importance for other reasons. 2001: A Space Odyssey, Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs, Metropolis, Pulp Fiction and so on. It doesn't mean they can't be surpassed and it doesn't mean that they can't be surpassed by a film that came out this year. You seem to be pretty big on the "drama" of other people liking movies "too much." It's hard to respect someone's opinion when they're so concerned with how much their opinions impress other people.

Personally, I have no problem picking a new film over old films, but the film has to be worthy of that "honor." I can think of plenty of films that are better than Star Wars or ESB, even movies that came out recently, and the same goes for other films that came out before I was born that are considered classics, films from the 50's and 60's. One of my all time favorites is The Adventures of Robin Hood, still the best film about Robin Hood, but it's not untouchable. However, to say that the Kevin Costner film is better would be ridiculous just because it's new.

There's nothing wrong with saying that a new SW film is better than one of the OT films, but saying that TFA is as good or better than the film that introduced everything TFA is based on and reuses, is just silly. For the most part, not only does ANH did what TFA does first, it did it better. I'm sure there are some areas in which TFA is superior, like the special effects or the acting, but that's about it. There's nothing wrong with you thinking it's a better film, but just know that you are in the minority, and it has nothing to do with old films being untouchable because people weren't born yet.

 

[GasparZizou]

I agree with Khev that nothing deserves a sacred place.

But I agree with Prince and DiFabio that TFA is way way below at least ANH and ESB for many reasons, and I know those movies earned that place because I wanted TFA to dethrone them, but it just doesn't have what it takes and I think it won't stand the test of time the way ANH and ESB have.

 

[Khev]

it has nothing to do with old films being untouchable because people weren't born yet.

I think the pretentious melodrama that you and a couple of your friends are pushing suggests that that is *exactly* the case.

There's nothing wrong with saying that a new SW film is better than one of the OT films, but saying that TFA is as good or better than the film that pretty much introduced everything this film is based on and in some ways rehashing is just silly.

There you go again.

I'm sure there are some areas in which TFA is superior like the special effects or the acting, but that's about it. There's nothing wrong with you thinking it's a better film, but just know that you are in the minority,

Wait there's nothing wrong or it's silly? Which is it son?

There's nothing wrong with you thinking it's a better film, but just know that you are in the minority,

And again, "just know that you're in the minority." Dude! Grow a pair and realize that it's *okay* to be in the minority. The consensus that I've picked up from *respectable* critics is that "The Force Awakens is the best SW film since The Empire Strikes Back." That's the majority. That it was better than Jedi and all the prequels. So "most" people rank the saga ESB > SW > TFA > ROTJ > PT and I say that I think it's ESB > TFA > SW > ROTJ > PT. Whoa, I'm *so* far out there in my rankings.

However:

I can think of plenty of films that are better than Star Wars or ESB, even movies that came out recently

And I would probably disagree with your choices, or who knows maybe I wouldn't. But "Star Wars" isn't this big holy thing. Well, it kind of is to *me* and people who were kids when it came out but, still, it really isn't. Easy proof of that is the fact that my parents didn't really give a **** about it when it came out. They liked it and talked about it because everybody else was at the time but it really didn't impact them. Just like Batman 89. It's this huge thing for you guys but when I saw it in high school I thought it was pretty good but didn't live up to the hype. I can't relate to seeing that film as a kid and maybe it has a certain magic that I just couldn't tap into. I wouldn't fault anyone for thinking it's one of their favorite films and I certainly wouldn't give a **** if someone said that any Batfilm since was "better." Especially one that clearly had better acting, a snappier script, more powerful drama and was taking the world by storm. Because at the end the day, really, it's just Batman so who the hell cares.

This fantasy movie is better than this one, oh Lord Almighty I can't believe you said that, bla bla bla. At the end of the day Seven Samurai is still "better" than everything else so who really cares about what someone else prefers?

 

[Khev]

But I agree with Prince and DiFabio that TFA is way way below at least ANH and ESB for many reasons, and I know those movies earned that place because I wanted TFA to dethrone them, but it just doesn't have what it takes and I think it won't stand the test of time the way ANH and ESB have.

Dude, that's cool. I'm not trying to win any converts. There are so many movies that are so damn good (ANH and ESB being but two of them) that if any given person said "Oh I like such and such way better than TFA" all I could say was "well okay! Excellent choices! I disagree but damn fine choices nonetheless." Hell I've already gone on record as saying if I were to pick a "Best Picture" of 2015 I'd probably give the award to Ex Machina.

You'll never find a post of Clown Prince's or DiFabio's where they're going off about a film they love that I have responded to with a "oh for ****'s sake give me a break!" That's their thing.

 

[DiFabio]

Well for starters, he can turn his head.

That's true, I did love that Suicide Squad video where the stuntman in the Batsuit is chilling on the lambo and he turns his head without any visible folds or seams.

It just looks like every new shot of Affleck in the suit, he's just standing there looking around. I know we're going to be seeing an action sequence where Batman diffuses a situation Arkham video game style with flowing movement, but so far we've just seen him with his arms at his side.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

I think the pretentious melodrama that you and a couple of your friends are pushing suggests that that is *exactly* the case.

I don't know about my friends and I don't speak for them, but I said that I liked TFA, but that doesn't mean the film is this holy untouchable thing I can't criticize.

There you go again.

Well, what I meant was that it's ok to say that a new SW film is better...some people do with the prequels, but IMO and most people's opinion, there is no new SW film that is worthy of that...YET. It'll happen one day.

Wait there's nothing wrong or it's silly? Which is it son?

There's nothing wrong because film is subjective, so no one can tell you that you are wrong for liking something, but it can still be silly from someone's point of view. WWEjedi considers ROTS as good as the OT films, he's technically not wrong, but you can still think it's silly and even give reason as to why you think it's silly. In the case of TFA, there are plenty of reasons I can give as to why ANH is a better film, the main reason being doing it all first, introducing everything.

And again, "just know that you're in the minority." Dude! Grow a pair and realize that it's *okay* to be in the minority. The consensus that I've picked up from *respectable* critics is that "The Force Awakens is the best SW film since The Empire Strikes Back." That's the majority. That it was better than Jedi and all the prequels. So "most" people rank the saga ESB > SW > TFA > ROTJ > PT and I say that I think it's ESB > TFA > SW > ROTJ > PT. Whoa, I'm *so* far out there in my rankings.

I'm the guy who criticizes the holy original trilogy...and I've done it plenty of times, despite people in this forum being SW fanboys. It doesn't get more minority than that around here

However:



And I would probably disagree with your choices, or who knows maybe I wouldn't. But "Star Wars" isn't this big holy thing. Well, it kind of is to *me* and people who were kids when it came out but, still, it really isn't. Easy proof of that is the fact that my parents didn't really give a **** about it when it came out. They liked it and talked about it because everybody else was at the time but it really didn't impact them. Just like Batman 89. It's this huge thing for you guys but when I saw it in high school I thought it was pretty good but didn't live up to the hype. I can't relate to seeing that film as a kid and maybe it has a certain magic that I just couldn't tap into. I wouldn't fault anyone for thinking it's one of their favorite films and I certainly wouldn't give a **** if someone said that any Batfilm since was "better." Especially one that clearly had better acting, a snappier script, more powerful drama and was taking the world by storm. Because at the end the day, really, it's just Batman so who the hell cares.

This fantasy movie is better than this one, oh Lord Almighty I can't believe you said that, bla bla bla. At the end of the day Seven Samurai is still "better" than everything else so who really cares about what someone else prefers?

I agree. I grew up with Batman 89 and the nostalgia alone makes it one of my favorite films because I have a certain childhood connection with it, but that never blinded me, and I have no problem saying that Batman Begins is the best Batman film about Batman that's been made so far, even better than TDK, IMO. Some here will disagree....and they'll give reasons, some which might be valid and true.