Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (March 24th, 2016)

[jedibear]

Welp...just got home from seeing it and....

It wasn't bad, but it could've been a lot better. (a few minor spoilers ahead)

Affleck was okay, still enjoy Cavill, wanted more Godot. HATED Eisenberg...he was the "Ruby Rhod" "Jar Jar" of this movie...it was cringe-inducing every time he appeared on screen. Too many confusing dream sequences that felt more like an excuse to hawk future movies. I was sorry Godot didn't have more to do here...and one of her scenes (the sitting in front of the computer pushing buttons to run what looked like character test footage for future movies) was pointless and could have easily been chopped.

If the movie could've used one thing, it was better editing...it just needed to be tightened up. The whole third act looked sloppy...the cheesy "Doomsday" effects didn't help.

The cast was good, the production handsome. Even though I don't care for him in most of his movies, Affleck managed to establish a solid take on the character here. The resolution to the big fight actually worked well, primarily due to his efforts. His fighting style for Batman was much more visceral and intense...after watching his rescue of Martha Kent, having him tossed around it that Doomsday CGI soup was a bit of a downer.

I thought Synder did okay with this...it's got his style stamped all over it, but it also seems like the added content about other characters felt shoehorned in...wonder if it was more studio-mandated instead of creative?

Could've been shorter and more focused, but it wasn't the **** fest most of the lockstep critics over at RT are saying it is. It'll be interesting to see how it plays out...the theater I was at wasn't even half full (on it's first Saturday night)...it's too intense for little kids, it's not really a date movie so...after the comic fan audience has had their look...I'd expect a big, quick drop-off. Could be wrong...time will tell.

I'll probably check it out one more time on the big screen if it's still there in a few weeks....

 

[chewblacca]

Just came back from seeing it again. Snyder did not have to kill Superman. After Superman asks if she's with you, he should have told Batman to go get the spear. Instead they pose. Batman runs after the spear, finds Lois who tells him that it's under water.Wonder Woman and Superman tag team the beast with her sword and his heat vision. Batman comes out of the water with the spear. Doomsday is duke game it out with Superman as Batman runs up and gives Wonder Woman the spear. She lasso's the beast and brings it close Super knocks it down and Wonder Woman spears it in the chest. It erupts in energy and explodes. The three heroes are battered but victorious.
Just a thought.

 

[Deckard]

This was my favorite piece of the soundtrack. Particularly around 1:08 on.

 

[karamazov80]

There were a number of younger kids in my showing. I wouldn't bring a kid to see it, though. Which has really been my core complaint against the Snyderverse beginning with MOS. But then, I guess we've got Marvel for that.

 

[azurepred]

Really enjoyed it. Not perfect, but perfectly enjoyable . Not sure I've ever liked such a poorly rated movie so much in my life lol. 9/10 for me. Everyone was great except Lex, but he didn't annoy me as much as I thought he would

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Just came back from seeing it again. Snyder did not have to kill Superman. After Superman asks if she's with you, he should have told Batman to go get the spear. Instead they pose. Batman runs after the spear, finds Lois who tells him that it's under water.Wonder Woman and Superman tag team the beast with her sword and his heat vision. Batman comes out of the water with the spear. Doomsday is duke game it out with Superman as Batman runs up and gives Wonder Woman the spear. She lasso's the beast and brings it close Super knocks it down and Wonder Woman spears it in the chest. It erupts in energy and explodes. The three heroes are battered but victorious.
Just a thought.

That's some Phil Jackson coaching right there Clearly, they didn't show too much chemistry and Batman is not a very good leader, because as the guy with no powers, he should have been quarterbacking that whole fight and having some kind of fight strategy, instead he was....actually, I'm not sure where he was?

 

[jimcap]

For the Man of Steel.

 

[chewblacca]

The theatre where I saw it showed the latest civil war trailer. The audience I was with seemed more excited about Spider-man than at the end of Batman v Superman.

 

[a-dev]

I love the actors in this movie. Ben Affleck did great with what he had, Gal Gadot likewise. Henry Cavill could easily be a great Superman but, IMO he's just not being written as one. Jesse Eisenberg was great for how he was written even if opinion may vary wildly on whether it was right for Lex Luthor, he gave a very interesting performance.

I just don't like this DCCU so far. I think it's just done all wrong.

The problem dates back to Superman Returns. That film bored people because it was just another Lex Luthor land-scheme plot - by then we had had X-men films and Spiderman films in which the heroes fought against worthy physical adversaries. In Superman Returns he had no worthy physical adversary. Unfortunately the response to that was to reboot it entirely and redo Superman's origin story AND provide a supervillain and cataclysmic city destroying scenario. Only one of these things really needed to be done, and it wasn't rebooting the origin story.

I would have far preferred to continue with an established Superman in some sort of connection with the Donner continuity. The easiest way to do this I guess would be a sequel to Superman Returns. Persevere with it, just like they ended up persevering with the MOS universe even though it was an intensely divisive film.

What if, in a sequel to Superman Returns, Superman had to deal with a resurgent General Zod (who hadn't been killed as it turned out), this time managing to summon to Earth a larger force of Kryptonian criminals. What if Superman was here played by Henry Cavill, Zod played by Michael Shannon, Lois played by Amy Adams, Luthor (in a smaller role) still played by Kevin Spacey.....yeah kind of insulting to Routh and Bosworth and Eisenberg but sorry guys...well, you just looked like kids. Routh still looks like a kid, dunno bout Bosworth - Eisenberg, well, you see how he looks in BvS.

There would be the issue of Superman's child if it were a sequel to Superman Returns but **** MOS threw up some ***t that many of us just didn't like. Find a way to deal with it.

And the gains of continuing on from Superman Returns? We have an established Superman. Gotham was mentioned in SR so we know it exists and Batman is presumably out there. So too, one can assume, are the various other DC superheroes. You get to use the John Williams theme for Supes. Yes, Zimmer's theme is good, far better than I thought another Superman theme could be.....but you just can't beat Williams. The Williams theme is classic, it's a Superhero theme through and through, it's inspirational, it's inextricably Superman. Furthermore, in continuing on from SR you've got a Superman who Metropolis loves and who we love. Yeah I know Routh wasn't Reeve but he did benefit from association. A recasting for Cavill would have done likewise. I have a theory that Cavill accompanied by the Williams theme would have been just as welcome. So you've got a Superman who has already been introduced to the world, dealt with smaller scale threats and become loved by the people and by us, the movie-going audience. So seeing that same Superman deal with the devastation the likes of which we saw in Man of Steel would have been so much more ****ing impactful! Previously he had been able to avoid carnage on that level but now he would be just too outgunned. We could watch his desperation in trying to stop as much as he could, save as many he could. We could watch him come to the realisation that it just isn't working and as much as it will kill him inside he has to go against his nature and let people die so as to deal with the larger threat. That's what we could have had if MOS was a sequel to Superman Returns.

And by extension BvS wouldn't feel so damn crammed and rushed in its universe-building. You wanna have ****ing Doomsday in the film and all that that story entails? Great, it'll work. Because people love Superman and even though people died en masse in the previous film there's an understanding there that he did all he could. So when Superman battles Doomsday and dies it has some ****ing impact....genuine impact by the way. Not ''be sad, because the script says everyone has to be sad''. >sigh< it was just so forced in the film as it is. Superman has only been around for like 3 years tops in this continuity. The film spends all this time showing how the world is distrustful of Superman so why the **** do they all suddenly mourn him when he dies. Doomsday was on the news for like 5 ****ing minutes, he was dead 10 minutes later. What time did people have to feel so threatened by Doomsday that Superman defeating him was the relief it really ought to have been?

As it stands....I think this was a total and complete waste of Doomsday and the whole Death of Superman story. That should have been a ****ing Justice League film right there. It should have played out more like the comics or the novelisation that I read so many years ago. A long established Superman (sorta like the Donner continuity Superman) battling Doomsday, being beaten into temporary defeat. Other Justice League Superheroes have a go and are likewise defeated. Then a resurgent Superman somehow manages to prevail but dies in the process. Just writing that out feels so much more epic than what the film gave us.

If you wanna forget the Donner continuity thing, ok, but leave ****ing Doomsday out of this film. It's called Batman v Superman. That was in itself a big enough deal for one movie because we've never seen it before in a live-action film...much as I'm hesitant to call it that.

And don't give me '''the Donner continuity isn't serious enough'' or ''it's too cartoony'' or something. It's ****ing Superman. And it's a universe with the Green ****ing Lantern and Shazam and all that nonsense. DC's character's are as implausible as Marvel's and then some. I don't know where this idea of DC's innate higher loftiness comes from but it's a load of s***e.


In summation...I wasn't terribly fond of this film. I like the actors, I see the potential but it just falls way short IMO.

 

[SNIKT1950]

Let it drop even more, at this point critics are just toying with their own credibility.

The most frustrating thing is that I know for a FACT that if the movie was sitting in the 90s on RT it wouldn't be getting bashed on forums. This day and age people honestly struggle to make up their own minds and simply resort to the bandwagon approach to thinking. I've actually had people text me this weekend with "should I even watch it?".

Its ****ing depressing how things have gotten.

 

[GasparZizou]

That's some Phil Jackson coaching right there Clearly, they didn't show too much chemistry and Batman is not a very good leader, because as the guy with no powers, he should have been quarterbacking that whole fight and having some kind of fight strategy, instead he was....actually, I'm not sure where he was?

Actually, WW and Supes showed tons of chemistry in the battle, literally the first thing they do: WW sweeps DD's leg and Supes slams him down, and Batman... was the third wheel

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Actually, WW and Supes showed tons of chemistry in the battle, literally the first thing they do: WW sweeps DD's leg and Supes slams him down, and Batman... was the third wheel

At that point he should of gone after the Kryptonite or something, to make himself useful and not a total Hawkeye.

 

[moose]

Batman v Superman ending: Zack Snyder explains what it means for Justice League | EW.com

Snyder confirms here that Batman will unite the seven and that Superman may not come back the same.

INJUSTICE is coming.

Hum the seventh is missing green lantern has yet to make his appearance, but I am hoping we see him in JL2.

As far as superman not coming back the same thats a nod to the superman returns story line when we had 4 superman return and we had to guess which of them was real.i suspect they are mixing elements of that story with brainiac. Has he is like the silver surfer the harbinger of Doom collecting samples.of planets before the end arrival of Darkseid.

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[SNIKT1950]

Hum the seventh is missing green lantern has yet to make his appearance, but I am hoping we see him in JL2.

As far as superman not coming back the same that a nod to the superman returns story line when we had 4 superman return and we had to guess which of them was real.i suspect they are mixing elements of that story with brainiac. Has he is like the silver surfer the harbinger of Doom collecting samples.of planets before the end arrival of Darkseid.

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The Knightmare sequence and Flash message were future transmissions sent back to warn Bruce. They were direct precursors to INJUSTICE with Superman becoming a warlord for Darkseid after Lois is killed by Joker (which Supes blames Bruce for).

Snyder saying that Batman is the master of the seven and that Superman will not come back in the form everyone expects him to, further corroborate an INJUSTICE-based JLA film.

 

[rushmore223]

I go away for a little over 24 hours and there are over 100 pages to read! The hell with that, I'm skipping head.

 

[Destro]

Bootleg streamed dat ****.

What a terrible movie. Like, not Masters Of The Universe bad, but pretty bad.

Wonder Woman just posed a lot and barely said anything, and when she did I cringed. Affleck was cool as Batman/Wayne but I think folks are losing their mind because there have been such a plethora of lackluster Batmen that have previously proceeded BvS. Cavill was wooden, but I did feel sorry for him in the end. Mostly in the way you feel sorry for a deer hit by a truck on the side of the road. I mean, when you beat someone down enough you can't help but feel something.

Rushed, edited REALLY badly during the first hour and lines of dialogue that went no where. Jack Sparrow Flash, cave dwelling Aquaman and the T-800 aka Cyborg.

BvS fight was super short. Batman warehouse scene was almost ENTIRELY in the trailer. Speaking of which, when you watch all the trailers together you get a complete synopsis of the movie! WB's advertising for this was atrocious to let so many scenes out.

Jeremy Irons was good as this type of Alfred. I would definitely like to see a Batfleck film directed by Ben. I'm excited for Suicide Squad.

JL is looking shaky as ****, IMO.

 

[moose]

The Knightmare sequence and Flash message were future transmissions sent back to warn Bruce. They were direct precursors to INJUSTICE with Superman becoming a warlord for Darkseid after Lois is killed by Joker (which Supes blames Bruce for).

Snyder saying that Batman is the master of the seven and that Superman will not come back in the form everyone expects him to, further corroborate an INJUSTICE-based JLA film.

Injustice comic or game ? Either way both those story lines were taken from older DC comics superman being brainwashed in to working for Darkseid.

That dream sequence would have happened had Louis died , in any event I belive they will combine two stories again return of superman with braniac coming to earth before Darkseid invades.

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[GasparZizou]

At that point he should of gone after the Kryptonite or something, to make himself useful and not a total Hawkeye.

I don't know, he did enough if you ask me. Bring DD near the spear and gas him at the right moment? If was fitting that Superman had to be the one who made the sacrifice imo.

 

[SNIKT1950]

Bootleg streamed dat ****.

What a terrible movie. Like, not Masters Of The Universe bad, but pretty bad.

Wonder Woman just posed a lot and barely said anything, and when she did I cringed. Affleck was cool as Batman/Wayne but I think folks are losing their mind because there have been such a plethora of lackluster Batmen that have previously proceeded BvS. Cavill was wooden, but I did feel sorry for him in the end. Mostly in the way you feel sorry for a deer hit by a truck on the side of the road. I mean, when you beat someone down enough you can't help but feel something.

Rushed, edited REALLY badly during the first hour and lines of dialogue that went no where. Jack Sparrow Flash, cave dwelling Aquaman and the T-800 aka Cyborg.

BvS fight was super short. Batman warehouse scene was almost ENTIRELY in the trailer. Speaking of which, when you watch all the trailers together you get a complete synopsis of the movie! WB's advertising for this was atrocious to let so many scenes out.

Jeremy Irons was good as this type of Alfred. I would definitely like to see a Batfleck film directed by Ben. I'm excited for Suicide Squad.

JL is looking shaky as ****, IMO.

The fact that you went the bootleg route with one of the biggest cinematic spectacles of all time was a massive disservice to yourself.

 

[GasparZizou]

Injustice comic or game ? Either way both those story lines were taken from older DC comics superman being brainwashed in to working for Darkseid.

That dream sequence would have happened had Louis died , in any event I belive they will combine two stories again return of superman with braniac coming to earth before Darkseid invades.

We haven't seen Lois be the "key" yet, I think she's gonna be the key in the future, in a moment that could break Superman and make him go evil.

Also, aren't the comics and the game the same story? I've only read till year 3, I think, and it's the same story... Also, he's not Darkseid goon in Injustice, that's just something that's being thrown around in here.