Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (March 24th, 2016)

[Ropen]

I do. But I know I rate villains differently than most of you. Personally I always like villains that are either:

1. An insanely cool badass: Vader, ALIEN, Terminator, Predator, Brainwashed Bucky, Hans Gruber, ED-209, etc.

or

2. Someone who evokes an aura of unease and unpredictability: Clarence Boddicker, Hackman in Unforgiven, Mr. Blonde, Hans Landa, Ledger Joker, Hannibal Lecter and...Eisenberg Luthor.

If a villain is simply "theatrical" but not that badass and doesn't make me nervous (Nicholson Joker, DeVito Penguin, Loki, Red Skull, Ultron, Immortan Joe, etc.) then I can still LIKE them a great deal but they tend not to resonate with me like the other two groups do. Which is why I like Yellowjacket even though you guys scoff at him. Wilson Fisk fits both categories above which is why he's my favorite MCU villain.

Too bad we never got a HT version of him, I do agree, he's actually one of the few villains that made me cheer when he got his *** kicked

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

I do. But I know I rate villains differently than most of you. Personally I always like villains that are either:

1. An insanely cool badass: Vader, ALIEN, Terminator, Predator, Brainwashed Bucky, Hans Gruber, ED-209, etc.

or

2. Someone who evokes an aura of unease and unpredictability: Clarence Boddicker, Hackman in Unforgiven, Mr. Blonde, Hans Landa, Ledger Joker, Hannibal Lecter and...Eisenberg Luthor.

If a villain is simply "theatrical" but not that badass and doesn't make me nervous (Nicholson Joker, DeVito Penguin, Loki, Red Skull, Ultron, Immortan Joe, etc.) then I can still LIKE them a great deal but they tend not to resonate with me like the other two groups do. Which is why I like Yellowjacket even though you guys scoff at him. Wilson Fisk fits both categories above which is why he's my favorite MCU villain.

Where would you put Bill the Butcher and Anton Chigurh? Cool badass or Unpredictable?

 

[Khev]

Bill the Butcher is absolutely another Fisk whom I'd put in both categories. You know I actually have yet to see No Country for Old Men. It hit theaters a couple months after my daughter (first child) was born and there were a couple years where my movie watching (theatrical especially) was few and far between. Now it's this movie that's years old that I never think to check out. Someday though.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Bill the Butcher is absolutely another Fisk whom I'd put in both categories. You know I actually have yet to see No Country for Old Men. It hit theaters a couple months after my daughter (first child) was born and there were a couple years where my movie watching (theatrical especially) was few and far between. Now it's this movie that's years old that I never think to check out. Someday though.

After I saw No Country for Old Men in 2007, I remember thinking how was Ledger's Joker going to be a better villain than Anton. I don't know which villain is better, but Anton is one scary dude.

 

[karamazov80]

BvS > The Avengers and AoU.

Lex > Loki and Ultron.

WW > Black Widow jumping up on some dude's shoulders every other second

Jeremy Irons > Jarvis

Granny's Peach Tea > Hulkbuster fight

Parademons >>>>>>>> Chitauri and Ultron drones

Batman warehouse fight > anything Whedon's ever done, ever.

But if this movie makes Empire Strikes Back look like Leonard Part 6, as I believe you said earlier, then we'll have to respect your opinion.

 

[Mr. Green]

Not everyone understand the sophistication of a master piece that is BvS. Good to know a lot still love it.

 

[Destro]

Not everyone understand the sophistication of a master piece that is BvS. Good to know a lot still love it.

 

[Victοr]

Midnighter and Grayson had one of the best bro-mances in years:

Alas, with Moon Bat around, we may never have the joy of seeing this realized:

PS: You get points for the pic, but they get removed cause you used the wrong Robin!

Not everyone understand the sophistication of a master piece that is BvS. Good to know a lot still love it.

Is it still April Fools over there...?

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Godot looks very cute with those extra 17 pounds she gained to play WW.

 

[Destro]

Lol @ extra 17 pounds. It must be all in her feet.

I swear some fanboys were defending her, swearing she'd be "bulking up" for the role. I know she's not the emaciated version from F&F but she's also doesn't look like anything resembling a female warrior. But whatever, she's "cute". And apparently her epic 16 lines of dialogue wowed so many. I will certainly not be seeing that solo WW movie.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Lol @ extra 17 pounds. It must be all in her feet.

I swear some fanboys were defending her, swearing she'd be "bulking up" for the role. I know she's not the emaciated version from F&F but she's also doesn't look like anything resembling a female warrior. But whatever, she's "cute". And apparently her epic 16 lines of dialogue wowed so many. I will certainly not be seeing that solo WW movie.

She could still gain about 10 pounds, and look in shape, because she's tall.

 

[Destro]

She could still gain about 10 pounds, and look in shape, because she's tall.

We'll see. Hopefully.

 

[jye4ever]

BvS > The Avengers and AoU.

Lex > Loki and Ultron.

WW > Black Widow jumping up on some dude's shoulders every other second

Jeremy Irons > Jarvis

Granny's Peach Tea > Hulkbuster fight

Parademons >>>>>>>> Chitauri and Ultron drones

Batman warehouse fight > anything Whedon's ever done, ever.

I would have to mostly agree but Avengers 1/2 still have some very unique special moments as well.

Who are you, and what have you done with Khev?

Edit- It's still April first.

Hitting the suds early I see.

What does showering have anything to do with it?

I haven't held the first Avengers in nearly as high esteem as you guys have for quite some time. AoU is good fun and Cap's AoU suit is one of the coolest costumes ever but neither film was as exciting or intense as BvS for me.

Captain America: The Winter Soldier
Captain America: The First Avenger
Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice
Batman Begins

...and then everything else.

For me TWS and BvS are tied, but yeah BB/TDK are up there for me as well.

TWS slightly edges out BvS in the action dept but I prefer BvS choppy story over TWS linear espionage lite story.

LOL

I do. But I know I rate villains differently than most of you. Personally I always like villains that are either:

1. An insanely cool badass: Vader, ALIEN, Terminator, Predator, Brainwashed Bucky, Hans Gruber, ED-209, etc.

or

2. Someone who evokes an aura of unease and unpredictability: Clarence Boddicker, Hackman in Unforgiven, Mr. Blonde, Hans Landa, Ledger Joker, Hannibal Lecter and...Eisenberg Luthor.

If a villain is simply "theatrical" but not that badass and doesn't make me nervous (Nicholson Joker, DeVito Penguin, Loki, Red Skull, Ultron, Immortan Joe, etc.) then I can still LIKE them a great deal but they tend not to resonate with me like the other two groups do. Which is why I like Yellowjacket even though you guys scoff at him. Wilson Fisk fits both categories above which is why he's my favorite MCU villain.

I like this breakdown.

She could still gain about 10 pounds, and look in shape, because she's tall.

This is accurate.

 

[a-dev]

I do. But I know I rate villains differently than most of you. Personally I always like villains that are either:

1. An insanely cool badass: Vader, ALIEN, Terminator, Predator, Brainwashed Bucky, Hans Gruber, ED-209, etc.

or

2. Someone who evokes an aura of unease and unpredictability: Clarence Boddicker, Hackman in Unforgiven, Mr. Blonde, Hans Landa, Ledger Joker, Hannibal Lecter and...Eisenberg Luthor.

If a villain is simply "theatrical" but not that badass and doesn't make me nervous (Nicholson Joker, DeVito Penguin, Loki, Red Skull, Ultron, Immortan Joe, etc.) then I can still LIKE them a great deal but they tend not to resonate with me like the other two groups do. Which is why I like Yellowjacket even though you guys scoff at him. Wilson Fisk fits both categories above which is why he's my favorite MCU villain.

I'd add J.K Simmons' character from Whiplash to category 2. Even though it's not that kind of film.

 

[jye4ever]

Had JK created a jazzy monster with his blood he would've been legendary.

 

[karamazov80]

Had JK created a jazzy monster with his blood he would've been legendary.

Would have been too terrifying for audiences, though.

 

[SNIKT1950]

Lol @ extra 17 pounds. It must be all in her feet.

I swear some fanboys were defending her, swearing she'd be "bulking up" for the role. I know she's not the emaciated version from F&F but she's also doesn't look like anything resembling a female warrior. But whatever, she's "cute". And apparently her epic 16 lines of dialogue wowed so many. I will certainly not be seeing that solo WW movie.

You didn't like MOS. You didn't like BvS. You won't watch WW next year...

 

[guyver1]

Gadot definitely had to gain weight and muscle

She was a lot thinner when she was younger.








I imagine she will probably gain a few more pounds and really work out even harder for the WW movie

 

[jye4ever]

Would have been too terrifying for audiences, though.

 

[SnakeDoctor]

Took my 8yo son to see BvS last night ... and ...

That's the movie people are complaining so much about?!

Gotta tell ya ... I don't get all the complaints. At all. I thought it was pretty awesome. Liked it better than The Avengers. And, my son liked it even more than I did. Affleck's Batman was truly brilliant. The cinematography was very impressive. The fight scenes were compelling, sensible (as opposed to MOS) and action-packed. Doomsday was better than I expected. It was a solid blend of my favorite Batman graphic novel and my favorite Superman graphic novel -- Dark Knight Returns and The Death of Superman. That warehouse scene with Batman ambushing the paramilitary team was phenomenal.

It corrected a lot of the problems with Man of Steel. I understood the complaints on Man of Steel ... the thoughtless destruction, the weird characterization and death of Jonathan Kent. But, this showed there were consequences to the destruction ... and there were lessons to learn from it. Superman -- like any true hero -- isn't universally loved. I like that twist on the big blue boy scout. That he has to develop trust, from the people and the powerful alike.

It even corrected the major problem I had with Miller's Dark Knight Returns ... his characterization of Superman. Superman as government stooge is lousy. This was WAY better.

And, I thought the slow introduction of the Justice League was really good. Wonder Woman hanging in the background, with the same distrust of Superman as Batman has. Luthor's files on Flash, Aquaman and Cyborg. I like this more organic way of bringing the team together better than the 'Avengers initiative' version. I was concerned going-in that it would be overcrowded or awkward. It wasn't.

The major complaint I had was the casting of Lex Luthor. Eisenberg is awfully young, and awfully scrawny. He played the part pretty well -- certainly better than he looked in the trailers. But, still, a too much Zuckerberg, not enough Luthor.

Also, I'm not entirely sure I understood the Flash's involvement in the knightmare scene.

Overall, I thought this was a great cornerstone movie for building the DCU. It made MOS better. And, I'm really looking forward to Affleck's Batman franchise. Kinda wondering if maybe people are just jaded, and bent on disliking most anything.

SnakeDoc