Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (March 24th, 2016)

[kryptonianmutie]

No, I think some people were much harder on TFA, bringing up the Same points about Rey's lightsaber/force skills vs Kylo for almost every day for 6 weeks.

What were they saying exactly?

 

[a-dev]

What were they saying exactly?

 

[IrishJedi]

Didn't we already know that this movie was doomed when it had the greatest Day 2 to Day 4 drop on an even year Easter weekend in the history of superhero team-up films that are based loosely on two famous graphic novels?

 

[guyver1]

I reserve 2nd viewings only for true greats - like Caspar the friendly ghost and Return of the Jedi Special Edition.

Cavill's Superman isn't a lot of people's cup of tea. I know when I watch MOS now a days, it is good, but I can't help but fall asleep until the action.

Affleck is Affleck. And there will always be that argument, as well as Snyder's take on films. I imagine if this film didn't have WW in it, it would've lost even more ratings

Let's face it would SuckerPunch be anything if it didn't have the girls they casted in it.

 

[Khev]

You don't have to twist my arm, i'm with you all the way with BvS.

Well I was posting that for other peeps as well.

What were they saying exactly?

Something about Rey's stats not matching her character level which specifically contradicted pg. 41 of West End Games Star Wars The Roleplaying Game (Revised Hardcover Edition) and a bunch of other crap.

 

[crows]

You didn't like MOS. You didn't like BvS. You won't watch WW next year...

Trolls gotta troll, I guess. :

Only positive opinions PLEASE!!!

ONLY positive opinions in this thread!!!mods please do something! Negative opinions should nit be allowed and should be a ban offence!!!!

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Batman v Superman Drops to $15.4 Million on Friday

 

[crows]

 

[IrishJedi]

Only positive opinions PLEASE!!!

ONLY positive opinions in this thread!!!mods please do something! Negative opinions should nit be allowed and should be a ban offence!!!!

More posturing. No one has said anything even remotely like that. There are several people who don't like the movie that can post in here without acting like schoolyard clowns. But there's also a few who are behaving like the typical internet trolls.

 

[Khev]

Batman v Superman Drops to $15.4 Million on Friday

Is that what Shane Black looked like when IM3 was on its way to a billion dollars? Because that's where BvS is headed.

After 8 days:

IM3: $232 million
BvS: $224 million

 

[IrishJedi]

Is that what Shane Black looked like when IM3 was on its way to a billion dollars? Because that's where BvS is headed.

It starts being profitable today, actually.

 

[Khev]

It starts being profitable today, actually.

Not surprised, $587 million worldwide as of yesterday.

 

[Victοr]

Batman v Superman Drops to $15.4 Million on Friday

Eh, Moon Bat derves to join the 1B$ Club. I mean, look at this!

For me, that's Batman. Sure, there were "problems" with him, but he was a co-star in this movie, I'm sure by the time he gets his solo it'll all be ironed out. Besides, I found everything else apart from the killing (which I don't have a major issue with, but still) damn good, with the potential to be perfect. I disliked a lot about this movie, but Batman alone puts it in my Top 10 CBMs list (the 10th spot of course, but that's gotta count for something).

 

[Starscream Soundwave]

As I mentioned before the Avengers movies really aren't "intense" movies at all for me and that limits them, especially with them being big budget action films. If I see them more as action comedies with a couple brilliant site gags (with that slo-mo group sequence of the team defending the core at the end of AoU being the pinnacle of those IMO) then it's easier for me to appreciate them. Galaga, Don Cheadle's story about the tank, some of the arguing on the helicarrier "I'm threatened, I feel threatened!" are all great and funny even after multiple viewings.

But the conflict and action just isn't as compelling IMO (other than the base "gee whiz" geeky joy of seeing the characters in motion like the aforementioned core scene.)

I know the first Avengers film is this untouchable darling here but no amount of "are you nuts?" gifs are going to make me rate it higher as a viewing experience than Batman v Superman. I could break down both films scene by scene and BvS will pretty much win every single Pepsi Challenge.

The opening of BvS showing Bruce's origin; very artsy and tragic. Compared to some ant view shots of Nick Fury getting off a helicopter and walking around a base. Then each film's opening action sequence. The dread and intensity of Metropolis under siege, the street level Cloverfield-esque view of these titans going to war, that freaky sound of the terraforming machine, the white-knuckled hero moments of Bruce speeding into the danger and him calming and rescuing innocents. The resolve mixed with rage on his face as he hugs the girl.

As opposed to the emotionally sterile action of Loki just appearing and clinically blasting some SHIELD guys across the room. Someone said that watching action in a Marvel film is like witnessing a waiter falling down some stairs with a full tray of food. A possibly spectacular visual and you might either be impressed by how well the guy recovers or embarrassed for him but that's as far as it goes. While I certainly wouldn't apply that metaphor to all MCU films (especially the great TWS) it does hold true for most of The Avengers IMO.

jye I think you mentioned that in addition to the spectacular visuals of Batman fighting Supes it also had this unnerving "Mom and Dad fighting" vibe to it. The Avengers never do (though I'm sure CW will change that.) IM and Thor fighting in the woods? Funny and cute. Thor fighting Hulk on the helicarrier. Again kind of funny and cute. Same with the Hulkbuster fight and pretty much every other tussle between the heroes. So BvS has a more sinister villain, it's opening action kicks *** over the opening scenes of Avengers, the middle "fight between heroes" is profoundly better in BvS, and then there's the final battle. Once more BvS feels more desperate and cool. Why do the legions of Chitauri just hang politely on the buildings while the Avengers discuss their plans down in the street? Why doesn't Thor actually just listen to Cap and bottleneck the damn portal which he actually DOES successfully for like five seconds and then inexplicably leaves his post to ride-em-cowboy with some random leviathans? The whole fight is just a big sprawling "fun" visual, nothing more.

Which leaves all the character moments in between and during the action sequences. Again The Avengers are funnier "How does Fury see the screens to the left/I understood that reference/please tell me nobody kissed me" but the Bruce/Alfred dynamic and all scenes with Lex were much more compelling for me than any group dynamics in The Avengers.

Even little things like production design and costuming. The Avengers just gets crushed. Cap's stupid costume, Widow's lame hairdo, the lackluster Chitauri designs compared to MULTIPLE Affleck suits, WW, parademons, etc.

Yeah The Avengers was the "triple threat" of 92% RT, $600 million domestic, and it was "first" in bringing multiple heroes together. But there's no way I'm going to concede that is a better film in any aspect other than situational comedy to a film that trumps it on every other level.

Forget Avengers, you'd be better off comparing BvS to Iron Man 3.

 

[SNIKT1950]

Is that what Shane Black looked like when IM3 was on its way to a billion dollars? Because that's where BvS is headed.

After 8 days:

IM3: $232 million
BvS: $224 million

It pains me that crap like IRON MAN 3 made over a billion.

 

[Victοr]

More posturing. No one has said anything even remotely like that. There are several people who don't like the movie that can post in here without acting like schoolyard clowns. But there's also a few who are behaving like the typical internet trolls.

That's true, but at the same time, there are some supporters of the movie who also do the same things. Meaning dissing Marvel (I'm not talking about criticism which is based on personal opinion, I mean straight-up dissing) and riding the "2 dep 4 u" bandwagon. It's "okay" if you do it once or twice, but if you post every 5 pages to say the exact same thing, it gets kinda irritating IMO. Certain folks like the movie and defend it by posting well-thought pieces that explain their POV, which is great. Conversation comes from "conflicting" views, and sometimes, the opposing side may actually get you to see something under a new light.

I have my own problems with the film, but I always try to give my personal reasons, and by reading other folks' impressions, certain scenes and/or moments did "improve". After my 2nd viewing, since the novelty had worn off, I liked it a bit less and my problems remain, but for example, I kinda like the Martha scene now. It could've been handled better, but it's not a bad idea, it's the execution that's lacking IMO. What I'm saying is that yeah, there are folks who come in here to diss and leave, but then there are also folks who come in here to boast and leave.

 

[crows]

More posturing. No one has said anything even remotely like that. There are several people who don't like the movie that can post in here without acting like schoolyard clowns. But there's also a few who are behaving like the typical internet trolls.

I always make that joke on movies that are not well liked for everyone
Same joke I made with Jurassic world and I made the same joke in the hobbits.
Or terminator genesys, I remember suggesting mods should make a thread for hating movies and a thread for loving movies.

I just think it is funny that every movie thread always ends up the same and then I make the same joke lol.

 

[guyver1]

Eh, Moon Bat derves to join the 1B$ Club. I mean, look at this!

For me, that's Batman. Sure, there were "problems" with him, but he was a co-star in this movie, I'm sure by the time he gets his solo it'll all be ironed out. Besides, I found everything else apart from the killing (which I don't have a major issue with, but still) damn good, with the potential to be perfect. I disliked a lot about this movie, but Batman alone puts it in my Top 10 CBMs list (the 10th spot of course, but that's gotta count for something).

All I can say is no way was that Affleck doing this

 

[Khev]

Forget Avengers, you'd be better off comparing BvS to Iron Man 3.

Actually once again I go against the grain here because I was actually quite impressed with IM3. Hard to fault a film in such a static genre that kept me constantly on my toes. I do wish they did a couple things differently (really killed off Gwen, had him in the suit for Air Force One rescue) but overall I thought it was a very well done film.

 

[IrishJedi]

Forget Avengers, you'd be better off comparing BvS to Iron Man 3.

As a one-off comparison that does make good sense, since they're very close box office wise.

But I don't know why more people don't compare it to MAN OF STEEL. That's the actual bellwether.

It's gonna make more than MOS, be quite profitable, and most importantly position the future DC films for success. Everyone's happy, except for maybe diehard DC fans who get caught up in the whole "it's a contest with Marvel!" B.S. That's all in the minds of fans. Neither WB or Marvel/Disney could really give a toss about that. In fact, if anything, they'll pull for each other to do well since maintaining financial success in the genre is good for all.